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Old 10-25-2007, 04:08 PM   #281
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Well put Carol.
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Old 10-25-2007, 06:38 PM   #282
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Thank you Carol. It is all the small things and the attitude of the IBT and some other A/S officers and members that have cemented our decision to drop the international dues at this time. Grace and I still have a fondness for the Detroit-Metro unit and will continue camping and having lunch with our friends. Hope to see you in the spring.
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Old 11-02-2007, 01:02 AM   #283
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Well, I'm hesitant to enter this tempest in a teapot, or make a Johnny come lately post. However, since I've taken the time to read the entire thread I might as well weigh in.

The wearing of uniforms, whether it is a military uniform, or a corporate uniform is always about control. Mandating a dress code, in this case tuxedos, is the same thing. It is a statement about cohesion, decorum, and unity of purpose. And that is the only thing it has to do with tradition.

It is a presentation, to show that everyone is in step, marching to a common drummer, following the command of whoever is in charge. Wearing a uniform is a statement by the wearer of obedience, even if they do not agree with the mission.

All military organizations understand this. The first thing that happens to recruits is that they are stripped of their individuality. As in, there is no "I" in the word team. So, recruits have their distinctive civilian clothing taken from them, their hair style shorn from them, etc.

IBM used the same organizational philosophy for decades. The IBM business suit was mandatory for its employees - black jacket, matching creased black pants, black socks, white button shirt, black tie, black briefcase. They were the original men in black.

I suspect this is why some are so sensitive to the mandatory dress code. It isn't about tradition, or history per se, but it is about control and many members chaff at the slightest suggestion of it. Why shouldn't they?

We like to say that as Americans we are free, yet the shear weight of the number of laws and regulations that press down on us is oppressive. From the federal government to HOA regulations, there are rules everywhere.

A lot of Airstream owners hope to use their trailers as an escape. Hasn't that always been part of the sales pitch? Independent travels, the freedom to come and go or stay when you want whenever you want?

Then comes the stuffy WBCCI with its page after page of flag regulations, and dress codes.

Perhaps to many, formal wear represents everything oppressive and smothering - uniformity, conformity, obedience to authority. All of it is serious dreadful stuff that is contrary to having fun and breathing freely.
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Old 11-02-2007, 09:24 AM   #284
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Thumbs up ". . . a uniform is always about control"

Forrest,

Very well put.

And something the WBCCI needs to think about when trying to increase member retention.

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Old 11-02-2007, 11:03 AM   #285
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Forrest, very well put. My question is, who really wants all these rules and dress codes while camping?
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Old 11-02-2007, 11:38 AM   #286
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Perhaps to many, formal wear represents everything oppressive and smothering - uniformity, conformity, obedience to authority. All of it is serious dreadful stuff that is contrary to having fun and breathing freely.
Forrest, I term this as "organizational creep". Something that occurs as the organization gets larger and larger and the bureaucracy gets larger to deal with the running of the larger entity.

I talked to a long time member of my former unit regarding my concerns on the path the local unit was taking and its lack of informality. He said Jack, it used to be a lot less formal.....we sort of evolved this way.

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Old 11-02-2007, 08:47 PM   #287
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IBM used the same organizational philosophy for decades. The IBM business suit was mandatory for its employees - black jacket, matching creased black pants, black socks, white button shirt, black tie, black briefcase. They were the original men in black.
i always knew IBM'ers as blue suits, white shirts, and red ties
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Old 11-02-2007, 08:57 PM   #288
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Old 11-03-2007, 09:46 AM   #289
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I quit! I will no longer deal with any of this. It is all a joke, the WBCCI can crash and burn on its own.

Good ridance to the caravan club!!
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Old 11-03-2007, 12:20 PM   #290
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I quit! I will no longer deal with any of this. It is all a joke, the WBCCI can crash and burn on its own.

Good ridance to the caravan club!!
Tedd,

Don't quit now! ...the WBCCI is just getting good... because I'm now a member.

Really... there are a lot of good folks raring to shake things up ...including the guy that started this thread.

I think we Vintage guys (and gals) are the next generation of the WBCCI. As we resurrect our old trailers and the fun of caravanning ...we are resurrecting the spirit of Wally. That spirit is what created the Airstream lifestyle and it's the only thing that will bring it back.
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Old 11-03-2007, 01:53 PM   #291
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Tedd,

Don't quit now! ...the WBCCI is just getting good... because I'm now a member.

Really... there are a lot of good folks raring to shake things up ...including the guy that started this thread.

I think we Vintage guys (and gals) are the next generation of the WBCCI. As we resurrect our old trailers and the fun of caravanning ...we are resurrecting the spirit of Wally. That spirit is what created the Airstream lifestyle and it's the only thing that will bring it back.
I certainly agree with you but will add there are some that fall through the cracks of the old WBCCI and the IBT and the VAC, there are new members with new Airstreams. I have not gotten a good fix on just where I fit in. So far I have not renewed for this year which would be my fifth.
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Old 11-03-2007, 03:34 PM   #292
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I certainly agree with you but... there are new members with new Airstreams.
Some of my best friends own new Airstreams!

Folks can certainly have just as much fun with a new A/S as a Vintage one. And as long as fun is what they are looking for, their welcome to park next to me!

What I'm saying is, New or Old... hang out with the Vintage folks and you won't want to quit the WBCCI.
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Old 11-03-2007, 08:39 PM   #293
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I have not gotten a good fix on just where I fit in. So far I have not renewed for this year which would be my fifth.
Carol,

Hope you will decide to give WBCCI a chance for another year. You're just the kind of person we need to retain in the old Caravan Club!

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Old 11-03-2007, 09:39 PM   #294
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I'm with you on many things - I'm not for the formal wear, Lawrence Welk music, formality, etc. and most of the things the IBT have been doing.

However, I have come to the conclusion that it is only the local level that matters (other than the dues supporting the IBT). I will probably only attend one International rally (my first) over the next five years.

The Northern Illinois Unit is looking to change. The President, 1st Vice President and 2nd Vice President for 2008 are all in their fifties and will bring new ideas such as rallies in state parks, private campgrounds, etc. I have also sense a "hunger" among many of the long time members for change. I believe that the WBCCI will not change from the top down but from the bottom up.

We want the local unit to provide activities to cover a broad age spectrum and not just the retirement member. We are looking at the NEU as example of how a unit can be fun. We believe that the April rally and end of October rally should be in Amboy due weather issues. However other rallies shoudl be in fun places and done similar to forum rallies. The officers listed above attended the 2006 Moraine View rally and loved it. (Couldn't attend the 2007 due to a conflict with children's activites.)

Stay in the unit being an agent for change.

Everything can't be changed overnight; it takes one step at a time. Stay in the unit and help us improve the unit.
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Old 11-04-2007, 12:10 AM   #295
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I'm with you on many things - I'm not for the formal wear, Lawrence Welk music, formality, etc. and most of the things the IBT have been doing.

However, I have come to the conclusion that it is only the local level that matters (other than the dues supporting the IBT). I will probably only attend one International rally (my first) over the next five years.

The Northern Illinois Unit is looking to change. The President, 1st Vice President and 2nd Vice President for 2008 are all in their fifties and will bring new ideas such as rallies in state parks, private campgrounds, etc. I have also sense a "hunger" among many of the long time members for change. I believe that the WBCCI will not change from the top down but from the bottom up.

We want the local unit to provide activities to cover a broad age spectrum and not just the retirement member. We are looking at the NEU as example of how a unit can be fun. We believe that the April rally and end of October rally should be in Amboy due weather issues. However other rallies shoudl be in fun places and done similar to forum rallies. The officers listed above attended the 2006 Moraine View rally and loved it. (Couldn't attend the 2007 due to a conflict with children's activites.)

Stay in the unit being an agent for change.

Everything can't be changed overnight; it takes one step at a time. Stay in the unit and help us improve the unit.
Dave,

You have it right, find a local unit which you enjoy and have fun.

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Old 11-04-2007, 06:28 AM   #296
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Other events that I have dressed similarly for are High School and three college graduations, my childrenís weddings and a visit to the White House Oval Office.
While I have not personally been to the Oval Office, I know quite a few people who have. The men who were invited to tour or were there on business wore a business suit. The women also dressed for business. The Oval Office is used to conduct business, not for social activities. A tux would have been inappropriate attire for a business discussion, an audience with the President, or a tour.
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Old 11-04-2007, 07:57 PM   #297
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So I bashed, but things are looking up!

OK, Iím the culprit of this thread, Iím the one that threw the stone and now I need to protect the glass house.

First and foremost, those of you reading this thread, old trailer, new trailer, old member, new member, not a member, agree with me or not need to remember one thing, itís the people you meet and bond with that make the WBCCI club experience worth while. I would not have met this great group of people if I had not joined!

This past weekend I went camping with a group of these people and had a blast. I have had a very heavy travel schedule for work and to be honest the last thing I wanted to do was go out with the trailer this weekend, but because of these people Iím glad I did. These WBCCI members helped me relax and have a good time just when I needed it.

On top of all of this activity my Unit had a lunch on Saturday that I attended and again I had a chance to get together with my WBCCI friends. These are the people I consider true friends, they put up with my odd ways of looking at things and still make me feel welcome. That is what the WBCCI is all about; you are never alone if you are part of the club and always welcome regardless of your opinions of the club.

This was especially true at our lunch considering it was attended by Jerry Larson and his wife. They were in the area as they were working on their 2009 International Rally in Madison and wanted to share their ideas and information on Bozeman and Madison. I have to say when everything was said and done, I am very excided about his plans and his plans for the clubís future. Not once did he express a grudge about the content of this thread or my opinions, he did however, I feel, take the content and use it to formulate some of his ideas. Now I have to clarify he did not directly address this thread but you could tell from his comments that he has been reading and thinking about how he could use this information to improve the WBCCI and the International Rally.

So to end this long winded post I say to those of you that are thinking of not renewing your membership or not joining, you are going to miss out on good things to come. Me, Iím not going anywhere, I have to hang around and see what the next challenge will be. I have to make that next friend at my next WBCCI activity, I canít wait to see my old cohorts in crime and most of all I canít wait to hear how I have stirred up thought that I hope ends up in change! Come join us, just when you think all is going hell, an International Officer will shed some light that gives me hope that itís not a train in the tunnel but new ways of improving the club.

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OK,

I will pony up the dues for an other year.

I guess I need to stop reading about what the IBT is doing and focus on the local guys. I have to admit, it is hard to keep up with the group in the Northern Illinois unit. They move fast.



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OK,

I will pony up the dues for an other year.

I guess I need to stop reading about what the IBT is doing and focus on the local guys. I have to admit, it is hard to keep up with the group in the Northern Illinois unit. They move fast.



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Ted,

You have it right, focus on the local unit and friends. You will have much more fun, don't let what is happening at the IBT stop you from enjoying your friends.

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Great news!!!

We need your to help to make the unit fun.
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