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Old 09-20-2007, 10:32 AM   #197
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Easy on the "Senior" comments! There's a lot of us old farts out there that are onboard with the younger group. I'm 68 and I still haven't figured out what I want to do when I grow up!

Geesh, Cracker, you've still got another 12 or so years before you are officially a senior in my books . Old age is a mindset, not something that comes with the number of milestones one has happened to hit.

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Old 09-20-2007, 10:51 AM   #198
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I think because a dress code was mandated sent flags up. The choice of costume has always taken hits from the fashion police on its own respective merit.

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Old 09-20-2007, 01:30 PM   #199
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The current system makes it almost impossible for a non-retiree to be a member of the IBT, or some of the other high level offices, with all the cross country travel required. If you still work like I do, you can't travel to all the meetings that are required. I have forgotten how many there are and where they are located, but I know I can't take a family vacation and attend the Mid-Winter and International rallies.
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Old 09-20-2007, 01:41 PM   #201
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No offense Ed, but pointing out the obvious regarding the disconnect between our leadership and its membership in this forum does little more than entertain the non members and and confuse the uninitiated.





Boy, did YOU ever hit the nail on the head with that one!!
Chuck & WAM52,
As a non-member (soon to be member) and one of the uninitiated I appreciate Ed's commentary.
The direction of an organization is charted by the example set by it's leadership. If the membership chooses to follow a different path, then the leader has failed to lead and the organization begins on a road in which it ceases to exist.
My perception is that the IBT feels the membership has an obligation to follow their lead... in a free society this is not the case. It is the obligation of the IBT to lead in a way that the membership is compelled to follow. This is how to grow an organization.
The continued growth of the VAC has demonstrated that it's leadership has compelled it's members to follow. This is the kind of leadership that will do the same for the International Organization.
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Old 09-20-2007, 02:27 PM   #202
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The current system makes it almost impossible for a non-retiree to be a member of the IBT, or some of the other high level offices, with all the cross country travel required. If you still work like I do, you can't travel to all the meetings that are required. I have forgotten how many there are and where they are located, but I know I can't take a family vacation and attend the Mid-Winter and International rallies.
The current system perpetuates guarantee of that. A new system would allow dues to be less and not allow traveling on club money and eliminate the need for appreciation perks of so many volunteers and simply conduct business online or by telephone conferencing. Aren't there WBCCI members that could truly volunteer (without club cost) to conduct necessary business in all areas of the country on behalf of the officers as a proxy? It's a matter of goals. The IBT is self perpetuating rather than looking to change the club in the best way it can to serve the majority of members for their activity and enjoyment.

What does this have to do with Tuxs not as much as it has to do with mandates?

And Steve I agree with your comments and share your perception also.

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Old 09-20-2007, 03:09 PM   #203
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Said the Sheriff to the Incarcerees - What we have here.. is a failure to communicate

The Forums does well because we can communicate - what we post is instantly available to all 23,000 plus members.

The WBCCI population, at least the pre-baby boomer “older” generation, is, in general, hampered due to the communication via snail mails being read at once a month meetings or being read in a poorly printed and mailed magazine - at best the info communicated is at least a month old, possibly two months old.

This entire thread is an excellent example of just that type of generation gap – lack of communication.

In the WBCCI unit I belong to comprised of over 100 members I truthfully believe that if I sent an e-mail to every member the e-mail would be read by only about 6 of them within the first 24 hours…and of those 6 there are 4 under 60.

What is broken within the WBCCI, in my opinion, is communication – and there is precious little any of us younger than 60 can do about it – I use 60 years of age because the communication revolution of e-mail really started in the mid 1990’s. The majority of people readying for retirement in the mid 90’s are now the backbone of the WBCCI and do not use the internet as their primary mode of communication.

This will surely change as the first generation of computer literate retirees (the 1950’s baby boomers) join their camping organization of choice. For me, this will be (and is) the WBCCI. Are there plenty of things wrong within the organization? – Sure.

Will things change? – Absolutely…and soon. And the change will come from within.

The next generation of leaders for the WBCCI will be elected in about 3 years, and then take 2 more years to “ascend to power”. I am certain that as surely as we are reading this on computer screens this change will take place.

This change has already happened within the VAC simply because the older mindset and financially secure members are minority members of the VAC. Due to increasing age and declining physical ability the “VAC old guys” are now secure in more modern trailers and Motor Homes. The rank and file of the VAC is now the computer literate baby boomer generation. Therefore, the VAC has the communication abilities that the general WBCCI could only hope for. If you don’t believe this, just compare the popularity and traffic of these Forums and the various “rebuild” sites to the WBCCI Forum.

There are certainly exceptions to communication capability at both ends of this age spectrum, and I am basing my assumptions only on my observations. I am sure I will be taking some hits because of these assumptions without documentation, but, I assure you, change is approaching.
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Old 09-20-2007, 03:37 PM   #204
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Will things change? – Absolutely…and soon. And the change will come from within.

The next generation of leaders for the WBCCI will be elected in about 3 years, and then take 2 more years to “ascend to power”. I am certain that as surely as we are reading this on computer screens this change will take place.
I agree with everything you said except I think you are optomistic in the time-table. It's too bad that we will have to wait until our kids are grown and we are retired to join, that is if we should live that long.

I just had a thought. To stay in power, they don't want younger people changing the mix of old VS. young. They do things like this (tuxes) to alienate the younger generation. Young people don't join and therefore don't vote (for change). They are doing a good job keeping themselves in power.
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Old 09-20-2007, 04:00 PM   #205
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Old 09-20-2007, 05:44 PM   #206
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IBT vs. Membership

Funny how laying low for a few months on the forums can bring so much joy. My blood pressure has gone down, less keeping me up at night, etc... I was wondering how long it would take for this thread to turn into the "IBT vs. Membership" thread, not sure of the count, but I think less than 10 reply's, not bad.

Guy's, all of you are right in what you say (IBT is out of touch, we just want to camp, lets make a joke out of it) in regards to the problem. Bottom line is this: Until "YOU" the membership of the WBCCI understand that "YOU" are the WBCCI and it is "YOUR" club to make it as you see fit, nothing will change! Sitting here, typing away complaining about the "IBT" will do you little good other than the old saying "Misery Loves Company". With that, you must also understand, when you go to make the changes you think are needed, you will come under the gun! I know this first hand! Though I made many friends with the "Pirate" gig at International this year and my complaining about the MOHO issue with the IBT, I "P*SSED" off a bunch of people just trying to make some changes to were the club/International could be a lot more fun.

That's why I will say again, "If you want change, step up and make it happen". Start at your local level and work your way up! I return now to my blood pressure meds!!
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Old 09-20-2007, 06:09 PM   #207
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I'm not wound up about this, in fact I think it's pretty funny. Yes sad to see the bylaws so interestingly interpreted (Article 7 Section 2 reads to me that you take office immediately following the election). Anyway, no matter what, every time I see this thread, I keep thinking of this, apologies to the Python challenged:
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Old 09-20-2007, 10:29 PM   #208
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In coming 2008-2009 IBT President Jerry Larson (who will be installed in Bozeman) has mandated the formal dress for his Installation Ceremony. In an email to those officers who will participate in this event Larson mandated dress WILL include men in white tuxedos and the ladies in floor length formal gowns.

Many of the Regional participants responded to this mandate with comments like “this is in the wrong direction”, “remember we are a camping club”, “we are sending the wrong message to the membership”, “most of the younger members and some of the older members feel we have too much pomp and ceremony” and last “If we are going to take this to take this organization from good to great we will need to make some major changes which will include less formality”

Larson has turn his back on these comments and responded with the following email message:

“This upcoming Installation Ceremony is one of the most significant events that I will have had the privilege of experiencing. Other events that I have dressed similarly for are High School and three college graduations, my children’s weddings and a visit to the White House Oval Office. So you see this is not just merely a passing event. It is VERY important to both Joan and I. Events like this have set the WBCCI apart from “just a camping club” or “just a recreational club”. Wally Byam set high standards several years ago for us to perpetuate and keep the WBCCI special from all the others.”

All I can say is WOW! The leadership of this club is so full of themselves that they compare an Installation event with a visit to the Oval Office! No wonder this club is dieing, the leadership is more interested in their own wants that they turn their back to the needs of the membership.

I am so flabbergasted by this mindset that I just don’t know how to respond but felt those of you out there should see how the inner workings of this club are NOT moving forward.

Now I have to go study my WBCCI history and see if I can find the photo of Wally at a rally with a white tux on!

Amazed,
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This is all about ego. I truly suspect that Wally wouldn't have been caught dead in a tux. Come on guys....quit taking yourselves so seriously!!!

This truly is a camping club that is focused on the fellowship that we all have, which is our love of aluminum. Not formal attire.

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Old 09-21-2007, 12:28 AM   #209
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This truly is a camping club that is focused on the fellowship that we all have, which is our love of aluminum.
I don't know about that, from all the post on here seems more like a Association for a Retirement Community. Makes me think of a friends mother when we went by to see her, she was upset over a nasty note sent to her from a board member about planting a bush in the yard for a home she bought and paid for. She told me she might be 65 but no one was going to tell her she could not plant a bush in her own yard. That fight has gone on for like 6 years now. Age is a state of mind, but when those in charge only think in terms of one age group, the group will not grow. I don't think any of this is about right or wrong, but more what part of the club suits you best. Everyone I have talked to thinks things at local units are much better. So enjoy that part and let those who wish wear what they want.
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Old 09-21-2007, 05:54 AM   #210
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Put me at the top of the guilty list.
Of those who have sniped, criticized, and generally made fun of another club member.
After all is said and done that is at least one thing many of us have in common, being club members.

Having read many of the comments, my perspective has modified and is certainly less mean spirited.
At first there was the desire to make light of a closed community mentality that appears exclusive rather than inclusive. But how many are on the Board of Trustees and is the number significant enough to really matter?
I offer a motion to let the IBT handle their own (how to dress) affairs, including giving their new president support or rebuttal.

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