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Old 07-16-2016, 05:10 PM   #85
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Consider me a new guy that had never heard of Wally Byam before. But I do care. His story is fascinating to me. And the history of the Airstreams is one reason I like them so.

Thanks Wally!
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Old 07-16-2016, 05:14 PM   #86
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This is simply an untrue generalization.
All generalizations are untrue when applied to specifics. But you'd be surprised at how much truth there actually is to that generalization.

Playing Devil's Advocate… In my case, when I bought my Airstream in December 2011 I had never even heard of Wally Byam. When I was recruited to join WBCCI in January 2012 I wasn't told about Wally Byam— the other members of my Unit just assumed I already knew who the Hell he was. I learned just enough about Wally Byam on my own to realize that I didn't much care about him, any more than I cared about Henry Ford or Lee Iacocca or Sam Walton or Andrew Carnegie or Thomas Edison. Wally Byam belonged to my grandfather's generation. He was born four years before my grandfather, his main accomplishments were long before I was born, and he died when I was just four years old.

Yes, I know that's sacrilege to actually say that I have little interest in Wally Byam's life and times, and I'll probably catch endless flak over it. But to my mind, I don't have to venerate Wally Byam just because I bought an Airstream, any more than I'd have to venerate Thomas Edison just because of all the afternoons I spent at the cinema watching motion pictures.
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Old 07-16-2016, 05:47 PM   #87
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Hey Protagonist....of all your post, this has to be the best. Well said/written. Wally Byam is an important part of Airstream, he is to be respected for what he did and all all of us who own Airstreams should be thankful.....but, it's the past. I for one want the organization to become more of an advocate for us with Airstream. Caravans, rallies and fellowship as well as sharing a common lifestyle are the benefits of a club. TAC was dead when I bought my first airstream 2.5 years ago. If it came back, I'd certainly join and want to get involved. The time and money spent on the ceremonial aspects of WBCCI/WBAC needs to go the way of the dinosaurs.
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Old 07-16-2016, 06:39 PM   #88
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This is simply an untrue generalization.
We're all entitled to our opinions. Mine is certainly true for me and most people I talk to when they come up and ask about our Airstream. If it helps you feel better to believe otherwise, that's fine with me.
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Old 07-16-2016, 07:41 PM   #89
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Most of the money that is collected as dues is spent paying the salaries, social security, and benefits for the four ladies that run the club from Jackson Center. The next biggest expense is the travel subsidies paid to international and Regional officers to help them attend the club rallies. Nothing is directly spent for formalities and flags. Each Unit buys their own flags and are used for years. About $36,000/yr is spent on insurance to make sure officers are not sued by members or campgrounds for mistakes they might make. Without the insurance protection no one would ever risk being a leader. You may request the quarterly financial statements from Jackson center by requesting them. They are not available on line.

The formality in the club mostly comes from the older members, who may have a military or academic background.
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I scanned this thread again and haven't been able to find the post I was remembering. I think somebody posted some thoughts on the idea that it's not necessary to know the history of Henry Ford to appreciate owning a Ford. Similarly it's not necessary to know the history of Wally Byam to own and enjoy an Airstream. I don't disagree but want to point out that knowing more about Henry Ford and knowing more about Wally Byam will increase your appreciation of their efforts and likely bring about a deeper appreciation for the product you own.

Thinking in terms of a "family tree" the owner of a Ford is analogous to being a single leaf on a very large tree. The leaf, while important, is one of many - almost of no consequence - when it comes to the life of the tree. Ford makes so many products in a given year - measured in millions and made many, many millions over the years that any given owner is pretty far removed from the source.

On the other hand, an Airstream owner is a branch on a small tree. That branch is very much a part of the overall tree and is very closely associated to the roots of the product. Total production of Airstream products is probably measured in thousands, albeit many, many thousands.

While it's very possible (and fine for many people) to own an Airstream and not know much if anything about Wally Byam I suggest knowing more about him and the history of the product and WBCCI will change your understanding of the RV you own. For that matter it may change your understanding of the RV industry as a whole.

I like the idea of the club maintaining its association with the name Wally Byam. I have always thought Wally Byam Caravan Club International was a mouthful and didn't convey meaningful information about the club. Changing the logo to Wally Byam Airstream Club makes sense for many reasons. Keeping WBCCI as the official name probably makes sense for legal/administrative reasons.

For those interested in beginning to learn more about Wally and associated topics, here's a thread (there are many others) with interesting information.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f286...olo-44498.html

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Old 07-17-2016, 10:47 AM   #91
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Wally is the trunk. I'm just a nut hanging under 4 leaves.....
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Old 07-17-2016, 05:16 PM   #92
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Seems we can argue or debate or beat everything to death.

If you didn't know about Wally when you bought an Airstream, you couldn't care less about him now, why do you care about how the decal looks now for a club that doesn't work for you anyway.

That was a big change for the WBCCI, that was the push from newer members, young members and the people listening when change is asked for.
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If you didn't know about Wally when you bought an Airstream, you couldn't care less about him now, why do you care about how the decal looks now for a club that doesn't work for you anyway.
I am pretty much indifferent to the life and times of Wally Byam, but the club does work for me, because the club is not really about Wally Byam— the club is about its members. I joined because none of my prior friends were interested in any kind of RVing, let alone Airstreaming, and the club gave me access to friends who are interested. As long as I still have friends in the club and I still have an Airstream, I'll stay in the club regardless of name or logo changes. At least, as long as I'm never forced to wear a necktie…

And I for one never really weighed in on whether I personally like or dislike the new logo, only that I understood why some people might find it undesirable. To be honest, I'm indifferent to the logo as well— it's neither better nor worse than the old one. The club isn't about the logo, either.
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I realize there are people in the world that don't care that humans used to communicate via paintings on cave walls and stone tablets. To some the only concern about communication is whether their smart phone has 5 bars.

IMO it's useful to know how communication has evolved in order to appreciate the tools we have at our disposal today. Knowing the past gives me a better understanding of where society stands today and where we might find ourselves in the future.

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Old 07-18-2016, 05:49 AM   #95
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History. Reading about Wally and all the caravans he took people on describing the trailers and there equipment and the tv used gives a total different perspective on today's trailers and how they are used or not used. One can learn much from the past as to how the caravaners lived day to day. The only current AS owners who have a clue are the boondockers amongst us.
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I started to post on this thread several times. I am one of those who actually had a vote on the new logo. The change was discussed at great length. We intended to KEEP tradition and our club name. That's why we kept WBCCI and Wally. We also intended to convey more about the club in our logo. That's why we added Airstream and why the logo lists Rallies and Caravans. For me, the club and the brand are here because Wally had a vision. I firmly believe the Airstream Company has that vision again. The club has, until recently, lost a large part of that vision. I think it is finding it again.

Was it major change? Hardly. Wally said, "Let's not make changes, only improvements". I think this was an improvement.
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Is the club mailing these stickers out to members, or are they for sale?
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The change was just approved. No new product has been made yet. They will be available for sale as soon as existing stock has been sold out and new stock is ordered. The club store at the International at Lewisburg sold out of their inventory.
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