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Old 07-04-2016, 03:26 PM   #15
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I like the connection to "Airstream". That's what it is all about. Change is good, not everyone will be satisfied whatever the those changes are. Give it a chance.
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Old 07-04-2016, 03:39 PM   #16
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Tradition means something to people who think.
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Old 07-04-2016, 04:04 PM   #17
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I attended a seminar at the WBCCI rally in Lewisburg regarding "branding" and making the club more known to Airstream owners. One of the many discussions was use of the new logo and suggested use of the word Airstream when WBCCI units create Facebook pages and web sites.

New owners and potential owners of new and used Airstreams will likely search the web using the word Airstream. If WBCCI units use the word Airstream in their web site URL, Facebook page, etc. the club believes it's more likely that prospective members will find useful information more quickly.

The new logo (the club is still WBCCI at this point) is intended to facilitate brand recognition.
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Old 07-04-2016, 10:43 PM   #18
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I think some here just like to complain no matter the subject or issue. Personally I see positive change in the club. It is not going to happen over night but it will happen. Instead of complaining take an active part in the club and be part of that change not just another do nothing complainer.
Unfortunately, complainers and nay sayers will always exist. Within reason, I always look at it as glass half full.

From your personal experience, what does being in the club mean? As I mentioned, I just signed up a few days ago.
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Old 07-05-2016, 06:01 AM   #19
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As a less than one year member of WBCCI, I like the effort by its current leadership to freshen up the image (and operations). I haven't seen the strife at all--my experience is with the local unit, which is very good and I found it quite welcoming. That's all I really care about, quite frankly.

I suspect this won't be the last identification change; it's likely an evolving thing. Do you remember when Datsun rebranded itself as Nissan? First the badging went "DATSUN by Nissan," then "NISSAN" with smaller letters underneath "Datsun," and finally, just "NISSAN."

Maybe we should all lighten up and give this a chance to work?
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Old 07-05-2016, 09:06 AM   #20
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Cazual,

You will get different definitions of what it (WBCCI) means and what you get, from all of us.

Google Wally Byam and read up on him. Google WBCCI and read that. Google images of Airstream Caravans and look at the historical pictures. Doing that, even if you only read the quick wiki information, will give you the historical perspective of what WBCCI is/was.

For us, we chose to join our friendly fun local Airstream unit after they reached out to us on this forum thereby joining WBCCI. We have our red numbers but have not put them on. We have not experienced any strife or politics at all. Someday we will go to an International just because.

Many Airstreamers know nothing about the history and are just fine. Many Airstreamers know nothing about this forum and are just fine.

In this crazy world we all live in we choose to spend time with doing fun things like camping, sometimes alone sometimes with nice people sharing food, drink and experiences, laughing, belonging, boondocking, being greatfull. Someday we hope to take up some WBCCI members on their courtesy parking and maybe offer some of ours.

Is that worth 65$ a year. Maybe, maybe not. We get a magazine, we get courtesy parking opportunities, we get the red numbers. And things cost money and organizations cost money to run.

None of this has to be in an Airstream but that's what we chose after giving up our tents. It doesn't have to include WBCCI but we like it for now.

The glass is definitely 1/2 full and certainly half empty. We are realistic optimists who are very pessimistic about where this world is going. But we're going to see it in our Airstream as much as we can, life willing.

Done waxing philosophical.
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Old 07-05-2016, 09:38 AM   #21
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Unfortunately, complainers and nay sayers will always exist. Within reason, I always look at it as glass half full.



From your personal experience, what does being in the club mean? As I mentioned, I just signed up a few days ago.


For me, being part of "the club" is just one more avenue to connect with like-minded people who own Airstreams. It is one of several "avenues" I will pursue. And as long as the pursuit brings me enjoyment, I will continue it. If it stops being fun, then I stop. Easy.
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Old 07-05-2016, 01:29 PM   #22
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I LOVE the fact that the WBCCI leadership is looking for ways to continue moving forward, and believe it's a great idea to incorporate Airstream into the branding considering the fact that membership is only to Airstreamers and legacy Airstream brands.

I've been in marketing for more than 30 years and understand first-hand the importance of branding. I spent nearly a decade at IBM, where we were continually focused on evolving our brand. That said, I'd caution that the new logo be carefully considered -- is this a transitional logo or one that the creators hope will last for at least 10-25 years. If the latter, it should be carefully developed and tested with current and prospective audiences. I feel, though, that we are in excellent hands with the current and future leadership and look forward to many years of membership in WBCCI.
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Old 07-05-2016, 10:13 PM   #23
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I suspect they don't want to continue the "tradition" of a dying WBCCI, so something would have to give, wouldn't it?
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Old 07-06-2016, 04:41 AM   #24
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I suspect they don't want to continue the "tradition" of a dying WBCCI, so something would have to give, wouldn't it?

Membership is up. Sounds as if the infusion of new members trying to make change from within is what's helping to look toward the future without forgetting the past. Mona just got elected as 3rd VP and hopefully over time will ascend the ranks the run the show. We'll see.

I'm glad there's a use of the words "Airstream" and "Rallies" in the new name/logo.
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Old 07-06-2016, 05:27 AM   #25
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Not only is membership up, but the average age is down slightly as well, indicating an influx of younger members. (Or was that the average age of Airstream owners in general? I wasn't paying enough attention.)

Changes in the club come from motions submitted by members— ANY members— and voted on by the IBT for changes to bylaws or by the Delegates (meaning the membership as a whole as represented by Delegates) in the case of changes to the WBCCI constitution. The WBCCI President doesn't get a vote in the IBT for bylaws changes unless a tie-breaker is needed, and tie-breakers are meaningless when a 2/3 majority vote is needed. He does get a vote in the Delegates' Meeting— exactly the same vote that every other member gets at the Unit level as represented by his Unit delegate— so there your own vote means just as much as his.

So a WBCCI President can foster an attitude of change but the actual changes occur at a lower level. If someone wants change, they should do their homework. Read the WBCCI Constitution and Bylaws, figure out what's wrong, come up with a way to make it right and determine how much it will cost to do it, and submit a motion to make the change.

The WBCCI President is only a symbol of the club and by himself (or herself in Mona's case) can only change the ceremonial aspects. The President can do away with the uniform dress code for meetings and go with "business casual" in place of mandated white shirt and dark pants, neckties and berets optional— after all, how you dress makes no difference in how you vote. The President could do away with the Parade of Flags on the opening day of the International Rally and just present the national flags while the hundred-some Unit flags are just lined up along the back wall in advance without ceremony— or even decide that Unit flags won't even be displayed at the International Rally because no one even bothers to look at them after the flag ceremony. But those ceremonial changes, however desirable they may be to some members of WBCCI, are trivial compared to changes to the Constitution and Bylaws that cannot be made by the President but only by the IBT and/or the general membership.

The club is its members, and only its members can change it for the better.
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Old 07-06-2016, 05:58 AM   #26
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I suspect they don't want to continue the "tradition" of a dying WBCCI, so something would have to give, wouldn't it?
Some of the traditions of the club can continue even as the club leaps forward. Forgetting or eliminating traditions of the past decades to cow tow to newer younger members would be unfortunate and mean the death of the club as we know it. Yes, things must change, but not at the cost of losing the clubs identity. Let's hope for leaps forward with an eye on what the club has stood for. It's being done. Jump forward but keep an eye on the past. I just wish I still owned an AS so I could be a member again.
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I'm not a member of WBCCI, but I'm glad to see this change. It seems a step in the right direction.

Question: does WBCCI have a vBulletin or similar discussuon forum that a prospective non-member can join to learn more about the club?

My previous experience with a SOB forum was that you had to (first) pay up before participating, and after I was able to audit the forum, it was using very antiquated software (e.g. daily and weekly "email" summary's. Reminded me of a 9,600 baud dial up connection using AOL. )
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The President can do away with the uniform dress code for meetings and go with "business casual" in place of mandated white shirt and dark pants, neckties and berets optional— after all, how you dress makes no difference in how you vote.
Are you serious?
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