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Old 12-29-2009, 03:29 PM   #29
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2air - I glanced at that dual issue and all I can say is that the BB has not changed in years. It looks exactly the same today! I never thought of that before. Boy, that just shows how much a change is needed. Even Wal-Mart changes its identity every once in a while to keep things fresh (remember when it all used to be made in the USA?).

A fresh new look would go very far in boosting the BB's value as a marketing tool for the club as well as becoming more of a value for the general membership.
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Old 12-29-2009, 03:45 PM   #30
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As has been said, it's a club and a voluntary club at that. Membership like here on AF is completely optional.
Well, yes, it is a club and a voluntary club at that. However, the comparison to the forums is ill conceived since the forums is an independently owned business, whereas the club is owned by the membership. In the first case one can be reasonably expected to accept a take or leave it position without recourse. In the second case, that simply is not so. Telling owners that they are in a take it or leave it position just wont fly.

As to the usefulness of the BB, it only takes a quick look to realize that its utility for most people speaks for itself.
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Old 12-29-2009, 04:02 PM   #31
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I don't disagree with a some of what yer saying Tim. My take is that if you have the talent, why not give it a crack? So last go around didn't wind up how you thought it should go, is that a reason not to try? Clearly I see the energy you have with your current passion on the subject. Imagine what could happen if you could channel that energy into something useful for the BB or the web presence as you suggest.

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Well, yes, it is a club and a voluntary club at that. However, the comparison to the forums is ill conceived since the forums is an independently owned business, whereas the club is owned by the membership. In the first case one can be reasonably expected to accept a take or leave it position without recourse. In the second case, that simply is not so. Telling owners that they are in a take it or leave it position just wont fly.

As to the usefulness of the BB, it only takes a quick look to realize that its utility for most people speaks for itself.
I disagree Rodney. There are no strings either way for either .org. One can leave one or the other without any recourse to the individual. The fact is this forum is for profit, WBCCI is not for profit....about there is where I can find some agreement with your statement. As to the usefulness of the BB that is subjective based on each person's taste and desires.
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I disagree Rodney. There are no strings either way for either .org. One can leave one or the other without any recourse to the individual.
Again, true; and again, not to the point at hand. The point is as members are stake holders in the club (read owners), the leadership is wrong to take a "if you dont like it leave" position. Members of the club, as owners, have the right to dissent. The fact that people are free to leave, is moot.
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Old 12-29-2009, 04:27 PM   #33
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I don't disagree with a some of what yer saying Tim. My take is that if you have the talent, why not give it a crack? So last go around didn't wind up how you thought it should go, is that a reason not to try?
Were you sleeping or something when the forum was moved away from the Tim camp and into the Cortez camp?

Hey Tim, they rejected you before, roll over and try again....
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Old 12-29-2009, 04:48 PM   #34
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Again, true; and again, not to the point at hand. The point is as members are stake holders in the club (read owners), the leadership is wrong to take a "if you dont like it leave" position. Members of the club, as owners, have the right to dissent. The fact that people are free to leave, is moot.
Not true at all. Members are not owners, they are paid members of a group. If they leave what do they physically get? Nothing. This is true of any "dues" type club (Good Sam, Moose, Elk, etc). By your definition, I as a Moose Intl member am an owner/stakeholder of that .org, yet if I leave, they owe me nothing same as WBCCI. Yes there is a vested interest but that's about as far as I'd agree.

The right to dissent or have conversation is not the question here Rodney. The point at hand based on the OP was the Blue Beret and later how the club has not tried to address to whatever level some of the complaints I've read here. In fact, the club has tried...how far they have gone or should have gone is of course open to discussion. My take is that the conversation should be civil and accurate, which we all know in regard to WBCCI and towing rigs can be somewhat passionate.

...and Frank, that is so not accurate. They didn't take it away from Tim and give it to Greg, Tim recused himself. IIRC Tim was a part of the team. If he decides to give it a crack again, great, if not, well then there is some of the WBCCI talent we're talking about taking their marbles and leaving the playground. If I took every no I ever heard or every single thing that didn't go my way, I'd never be able to get out of bed. Fact is if you care, you keep on it, dust yerself off the ground and get back up on the horse...chin up cowboy's don't pout right?

Tell you what Tim, you give it a shot and I'll join WBCCI via NOVA.
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Blah blah blah... why would a non member defend the club so toughly? Something is very odd about this situation.
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Blah blah blah... why would a non member defend the club so toughly? Something is very odd about this situation.

Let's let Tim answer the question Frank. As I said earlier, I'm not here to be the enemy or the cheerleader. Tim the ball is in your court.
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Old 12-29-2009, 05:17 PM   #37
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Let's let Tim answer the question Frank. As I said earlier, I'm not here to be the enemy or the cheerleader. Tim the ball is in your court.

Wow, nice deflection! Why would anyone defend an organization that they have never belonged to?

My father was a member of the Sertoma Club and BPOE and I can tell you from all of the meetings he dragged me to as a kid, that neither club conducts its business as the WBCCI does; BPOE has just under 1 million members; the Sertoma just this past year raised over $20 million dollars for local community service projects. Both clubs actively use the internet to get new members, as well as keep the membership informed of ongoing issues and events.
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Let's let Tim answer the question ... Tim the ball is in your court.
As a non-member, I neither have a dog in this fight nor know some of the players. But this thread interests me for my own reasons.

Which one of you is "Tim" ?

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Wow, nice deflection! Why would anyone defend an organization that they have never belonged to?
You all keep saying that, but I did belong for 1 year many years ago......
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You all keep saying that, but I did belong for 1 year many years ago......
So good, you are quitter just like me. Or did you resign too? I just know that as someone with no horse in the race, you sure do ride like a paid jockey.
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