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Old 03-30-2006, 11:46 AM   #15
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Thank you Forrest, for all the information you have shared with us and making it clear and understandable. You have opened up what may have been daunting to many as something we can all consider and pose to our unit officers.

I do have to say, from the standpoint of a single member status that I wish leadership had viewed this as important enough to request a mail ballot of every member. That equals a concept level I could be comfortable with.

Still as the education process continues we can all get a glimpse of the internal workings and develop an appreciation of the work that is done by the officers.
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Old 04-04-2006, 01:25 AM   #16
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FYI, in a letter from the WBCCI Constitution and Bylaws Committee, dated March 16th, 2006 to all Units, the IBT, and President Jim Franklin , Amendment #1 (the name change) and Action Item #1 (the new logo) "are being forwarded by the International Board of Trustees WITHOUT ENDORSEMENT." [emphasis in capital letters is mine] The committee offers no other recommendation on these items other than that Units should discuss the Rationale, Costs, "Recent Announcements by Airstream, Inc. as to the type of RVs they will be building in the future," and "Restrictions on the use of the name, AIRSTREAM by Thor."
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Old 04-04-2006, 01:41 AM   #17
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Just to be clear (as MUD)....

Forrest -

Just so I am reading this right - the committee has NO recommendation, either FOR, or AGAINST this motion???? They are merely forwarding this....!?

Is there anything to read into this memo?? Is the committee doing what here?

Just trying to be clear, and getting nowhere....

Sorry if I just muddied things more!

I DO appreciate your parlimentary expertise, and your trying to make it so that even I can get my mind around these concepts. Never was a conceptual type of guy, give me nuts and bolts!!!

Again, Thanks!

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Old 04-04-2006, 01:50 AM   #18
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Glad you asked

Thanks Axel that was my question as I tried to understand the meaning for us.
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Old 04-04-2006, 07:58 AM   #19
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I'm really not qualified to speak on the issue - but I would like to offer a shoot-from-the-hip perspective from someone now on the outside looking in (I didn't renew my 1-year membership).

A LOT, in many different posts, has been said about the WBCCI and what it does, or doesn't do - but most seem agreed that the organization is in decay and struggling to find relevancy with todays "Airstreamer".

In the debate over the name change there are obviously a lot of highly competent, creative and energetic minds spending more than a little bit of time on it - from both sides of the debate.

This controversy (in my view) is not only misdirected but clearly counter-productive. It is not the name that makes the organization - it is the organization that makes the name.

My thought is pretty simple: if all this obvious motivation were focused on resurrecting the organization - instead of changing the name - then it couldn't help but be successful - hands down. It's time to get on with the business of rebuilding the WBCCI - step one is not changing the name.


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Old 04-04-2006, 09:05 AM   #20
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Jay I agree with you and I think most everyone on either side of the issue would agree that it is not the name that makes the organization - it is the organization that makes the name.

You say this controversy is not only misdirected but clearly counter-productive and that sentiment has been seconded by others. But here is the crux of the matter...

Regardless of appearances to others that think we should take our seats and be quiet, every member has no choice but to address the issue at hand. It's like an act of violent weather approaching, it's going to happen whether you prepare or not, whether you believe in it or not and whether you ignore it or not. The vote is coming.

I think you are absolutely correct about your statement that if all this obvious motivation were focused on resurrecting the organization - instead of changing the name - then it couldn't help but be successful - hands down. It's time to get on with the business of rebuilding the WBCCI - step one is not changing the name.

I also think everyone would like to move on towards exactly that as well, but whether we like it or not the step before your step one, of not changing the name (or even of changing it if you are of that opinion) is the upcoming vote on the name change.

Unfortunately this is all becoming very clear in hindsight. Yet the fact remains, we have to deal with this issue because that is the way it was set up for us. There lies a major contention and frustration compounded upon the vote for the name itself. It was thrust upon us without our ever asking, not unlike most battles.
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Old 04-04-2006, 10:01 AM   #21
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Thanks Carol - you're right.

Up until recently I didn't have strong (or any) thoughts - on the matter - either way.

Now I do.

But not because I think one is better than the other.

I've come to believe that those in care and control of carrying the motion forward need to realize that the significance of this issue has the very real potential to kill a once proud and vibrant organization. If there is any understanding of the benefits of "political discretion" then consideration should be given to withdrawing the motion before a vote - it may have been a well-meant suggestion when it first came up - but its obviously one that now needs to be filed away under: "seemed like a good idea at the time" - then get on with the real business of rebuilding the organization.


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Old 04-04-2006, 10:02 AM   #22
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It must still go to the Delegates Meeting as a motion, but the words "without endorsement" means something more than "no recommendation." The letter actually does make recommendations, such as that Units should consider the pro and con of the name change. "Endorsement" means to confirm, ratify, accept, approve, sanction, legitimize, recommend adoption, etc. The antonym is reject, refuse, cancel, annul, disapprove, refute, etc.

To me "without endorsement" is a politically polite way of saying that the committee disapproves of the name change.
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Old 04-05-2006, 09:26 AM   #23
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Thumbs up Save Wally, Save the Club

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I've come to believe that those in care and control of carrying the motion forward need to realize that the significance of this issue has the very real potential to kill a once proud and vibrant organization.

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Jay -- This is a very good observation. The further we get into this name change issue, the more you can see the myriad of problems WBCCI has to overcome to move forward, including the IBT which can't seem to grasp the concept of real leadership.

I joined the club knowing that it had some problems but I had hope (still do) that as members we might make a difference and help turn it around. But I'm finding out through this issue that the problems go much deeper than first thought and that WBCCI is grounded in a leadership that controls and manipulates (rather poorly) from behind a curtain, and a membership that's almost completely removed from doing anything about it by the club's dilapidated system of governance, and nearly complete communications breakdown. So the issue is no longer about just trying to hold on to one of the last things that is still good about WBCCI, it's proud history and name. It's also about finding out if the leaders can lead, and whether all members will be allowed to be a part of the WBCCI's revitalization. If the organization can work through the problems that surround the name change issue, then maybe it has potential to solve the problems that keep new members from joining. Save Wally, and we're taking the first step toward saving the club.
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Old 04-05-2006, 10:39 AM   #24
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If you want to have a change in leadership then to affect that change you and others must form a caucus to represent your ideas and put forward your candidates for office. The nomination committee will always recommend a slate of officers that reflect the status quo. It is unreasonable to expect any significant change to come from there.

Nominations from the floor of the Delegates Meeting can be made to any office, including the President. There is no need for a nominee to go through the lengthy and stagnated 12 year process to obtain that office. A caucus (The Save Wally Caucus?) could bypass that process easily, but only if there is leadership in that caucus. Any number of members have complained about the current leadership, but what and when will they be ready to do something about it?
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Jim Franklin's straw poll @ region 9 rally

At the Region 9 rally last week, there was considerable discussion regarding the name change. At a meeting on Saturday, Jim Franklin asked for a show of hands as to whether this was the "right time" to consider a name change. The large gathering was about evenly divided. Then Jim discussed the option of simply filing an amendment to our existing incorporation papers that would change the name of the club to what ALREADY exists on our letterhead (ie Wally Byam Caravan Club International, the Airstream RV Association). The straw poll was virtually unanimous in favor. Jim comments on the poll seemed to indicate that he was leaning toward making a motion at the IBT to adopt "Wally Byam Caravan Club International, the Airstream RV Association", as our new name. Jim also stated that the lawyers had stated that other than the fees to draw up the paperwork to amend the incorporation name, the actual filing fee was $10. This is the most sensible thing that has been discussed since this thing came up. We already have the name on our letterhead. There would be no need to change the logo or the unit flags. Jim seemed to indicate that the Thor issue would be mute, as we would only be amending our incorporation papers and A/S has already approved our use of the name on the letterhead. Certainly seems like a viable option that WOULD fall well inside the mandate to include the name Airstream in our club name and at the same time leave WBCCI as it stands today.

There was also considerable discussion about A/S pulling out of the motorhome business. Jim expressed a lot of concern since he stated that about 30%+ of the WBCCI membership owned either a class A or a Land Yacht and he feared that they would drop out of the club once their current motorhome was no longer was road worthy (he did not say how many were active members). Jim also expressed concern that the members who no longer feel that they can or should be towing, will have no where to turn and so again, the club stands to loose even more members as time goes forward. This whole argument, even if 100% accurate, only highlights the fact that the WBCCI is NOT attracting new members. A/S is selling TTs in record numbers and the demographic that is buying new A/Ss are younger and most find the club irrelavent. The club must accomodate new views and traditions or it is doomed to serving an ever shinking pool of members. Which leads to the next item that was discussed...the Basecamp. As few have actually seen a BaseCamp, a few highlights. It IS hardsided, aluminum construction. It is not a popup. The overall height is such that you have headroom inside without bending over. The optional tent that attaches from the clamshell backdoors is on the same order as a ZipDee Screen room attached to a A/S TT. The unit can be purchased without ANY interior fittings or it can be outfitted to be fully self contained (small kitchen, foldout beds, seating, portapottie), all at the owners discretion. This little rig is like a swiss army knife. As it can be outfitted to be self contained and it WILL attract a new younger crowd to the A/S product line and as our club continues to decline in membership, it seems that we should embrace the BaseCamp. With a starting price, with NO outfitting of $20K, this unit will not be attracting the average tent camper upgrader. Those that buy the BaseCamp are excellent candidates for upgrading to an A/S travel trailer at a later date and the best way to get them to this point is to pull them into the community of Airstream TT owners (ie the WBCCI). Yes this demographic is going to be different and they are likely to not see eye to eye with everything in the WBCCI, but to exclude them shuts out a potential new membership pool that most likely will move upto a A/S TT at some time in the future. If this group is shunned by the WBCCI when they owned the BaseCamp, the chances of them having any desire to associate with the WBCCI once they own a qualifying A/S product approaches zero. Accepting the BaseCamp does NOT make it manditory that we accept anything that wears an A/S logo, but the BaseCamp desires inclusion. I am totally in favor of including BaseCamp owners within the fold.

The upcoming IBT meeting will certainly be memorable.

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dtbw -- Nice recap of the Region 9 meeting and discussion. Thanks!
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Old 04-06-2006, 12:34 AM   #27
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I not sure from your post if you're being serious or facetious. I have no desire for any other office. In fact, I'm President of my Unit this year only because I was a warm body, got in the wrong line, and the 1st VP ahead of Shari and me resigned. When I retired 4 yrs. ago I didn't want anything to do with any organization. I was sick of organizations. Funny how things work out. At any rate, I have no political aspirations. I was simply making an observation, but I worry about some of the derisive comments that have been made.

Now you say you "can't believe that ANY unpaid wbcci volunteer has put in the hours we have over the last two and a half months and I don't care what they've been up to." WELL LOL, welcome to our world! Does it occur to you that your statement is condescending to all the WBCCI volunteers, some of whom work tirelessly all year, year after year after year? I can tell you for a fact, our unit newsletter editor outworks both of us put together, and she does it without complaint or criticism of others. Is she against the name change? Yes, but she hasn't publicly refered to anyone as the "dirty dozen." I think we should challenge the name change, but we ought to try to be a little more humble, a little more civil, in our efforts.
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Old 04-06-2006, 05:09 AM   #28
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Thanks David for the comprehensive recap like Jamie said. It's very interesting to hear what is happening at the different regions. I wish we could get a recap from more units and regions. Memorable time and news worthy all, that's for sure.
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