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Old 07-17-2008, 10:28 PM   #29
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...its a concept that has legs and w-a-a-a-a-y past due!
this IS a recurring good idea...

and there is a LONG exchange of ideas related to it here...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f286...nit-22293.html

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Old 07-17-2008, 11:13 PM   #30
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So why would I want to give $$$ to support a meeting or White tux event? To support old WBCCI activities that don't draw new members?????

I may be a little thick but I don't get it.
Now if you were asking for $$$ to support entertainment like the Eagles or some other band or big name entertainer then I'm in. But to fund a meeting or dinner, hell that's what my rally fees should cover.
Ed--

Maybe I can 'splain.

OK - on account of dwindling membership due to death of older members, possibly wholesale expulsion of "undesirables" by the Ethics and Grievance Committee [Ed--have you gotten a grievance yet?], etc., the WBCCI is losing money.

So, sez they, let's see if we can get commercial sponsors for specific International events. In return for which the commercial sponsor will be talked nicely about and get free positive public relations.

How about, for example, "This IBT meeting brought to you by Thetford RV sewage handling products." Hmmmm. . . well, maybe not.

But hey, it's an opportunity for non-WBCCI Airstream organizations like Airforums to generate a little positive publicity among WBCCI members. Seriously--can you imagine "This Delegate Meeting Sponsored by SaveWally.org"? Now that has possibilities!

Or, "This Grievance Committee Hearing brought to you by Airforums.com"?

I think there are real possibilities for positive image building here!

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Old 07-17-2008, 11:37 PM   #31
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You can count Rhonda and I in too Paul.
My Grandmother always said "you can catch more flies with honey than you can vinegar!" The interesting thing about flies and honey...they always come back for more.

Send me a PM paul and tell me where to send the dough!
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Old 07-18-2008, 04:59 AM   #32
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my Grandfather always said "shut the heck up boy" no, really he did, but he also said "lead by example" There has been so much negativity about the actions of those in charge, I feel it is time to "show them" or "learn them" of how WE want the club to be. Tired of the way it is, learn them of how it is going to be. Learn them by doing it and not backing down.
You see, Paul is a sharp knife. He is not bucking the system, he is using the system to create change. I think many would be wise to follow his lead here.
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Old 07-18-2008, 06:45 AM   #33
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Funding is Going to Change Their Ways?

So if I understand this right..........

Funding an event, meeting whatever, is going to change the IBTs way of doing things?

Is that the intent?
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Old 07-18-2008, 06:57 AM   #34
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legal piracy...

Another off-the-hook idea: Why don't we all contribute some cash to purchase WBCCI's debt? Then when they default, we can take over, and fix the problem.
Just an idea...
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Old 07-18-2008, 07:00 AM   #35
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I think that it is more of a way to show that we are willing to use the system they have. That we are willing to do something rather than just flap our collective jaws.
Being a internet based group, makes us seem like ghosts. If we start showing up and working with in the system, I believe the "us vs. them" mentality may start to go away. It is a good chance to get our foot in the door so to speak.

Sorry if I went way off track........
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Old 07-18-2008, 07:47 AM   #36
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Let me be clear

Let me be clear on this one,

I "Personally" have asked WBCCI HQ for "Overthrown by Pirates International" (A company I own) to sponsor both IBT Meetings (June 26th, July 5th) at a cost of $250.00 a peice=$500.00. This has "NOTHING" to do with the "Airforums" Sponsorship. I "personally" do not think they will take me up on my offer based on the name of the company and the "Pirate" thing I did in Perry, GA., which is their choice. I hope they are willing to take my check for $500.00. If not, so be it. I am only trying to work within the system for change that I feel is needed for the club to keep sailing along. That is it and nothing more.


The "Airforums" Sponsorship is a "totally seperate" sponsorship that has nothing to do with mine. I only came up with the idea, have put the "Airforums" sponsorship before the WBCCI as well and I'm waiting to hear back from Cindy Reed on both.

I personally think "mine" will be shot down and they will agree to the Airforums sponsorship.

Again, trying to work "within the system" for healthy change that is needed for the club to survive.

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Old 07-18-2008, 08:17 AM   #37
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Old 07-18-2008, 03:40 PM   #38
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So if I understand this right..........

Funding an event, meeting whatever, is going to change the IBTs way of doing things?

Is that the intent?
In the long run, maybe yes. In the short run, do a little to show the non-internet-active members of the WBCCI that Airforum members are not quite the bunch of malcontents that some would make us out to be.

Case in point--at Bozeman the Region presidents got together to host one of VAC's happy hours, and I understand they did so with a generous hand. (I wasn't there--had a conflict with something else.) Why did they do that? Maybe to show that the Region presidents are not really the bad guys that VAC members might think (from the actions of one former Region president)? I think it probably did just that. (Heck, at least one Region president we know tows a vintage Airstream. . .)

Money talks, and if sponsoring an event or two at International helps to give the WBCCI the idea that Airforums members are not such a bad bunch after all, it's money well spent, IMHO. [And I'll put some of my money where my mouth is.]

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In the long run, maybe yes. In the short run, do a little to show the non-internet-active members of the WBCCI that Airforum members are not quite the bunch of malcontents that some would make us out to be.

Case in point--at Bozeman the Region presidents got together to host one of VAC's happy hours, and I understand they did so with a generous hand. (I wasn't there--had a conflict with something else.) Why did they do that? Maybe to show that the Region presidents are not really the bad guys that VAC members might think (from the actions of one former Region president)? I think it probably did just that. (Heck, at least one Region president we know tows a vintage Airstream. . .)

Money talks, and if sponsoring an event or two at International helps to give the WBCCI the idea that Airforums members are not such a bad bunch after all, it's money well spent, IMHO. [And I'll put some of my money where my mouth is.]

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Just say "NO"

All,

I got the call today from Cindy Reed at WBBCI with news about both “mine” (Overthrown by Pirates International) and the “Airforums” offer to sponsor some of the events at next years WBCCI International Rally.
  • The answer back on my company “Overthrown by Pirates International” was “No”. The reason: the name of the company was a little much for them. Though I don’t like the fact they said “No”, I can understand why and did not really expect them to say “Yes” so this comes at no surprise.
  • The answer back on the offer from the “Airforums” group to sponsor an event was also a “No”. The reason giving was; The “Airforums” group is looked at as “competition” since they also have “numbers” and “rallies”.

I will say the answer to the Airforums offer did come as a shock to me and deeply saddens me. I guess this answer gives a bunch of insight as to how the Airforums group is viewed and why many IBT members have said the things they have in the past. It appears some members of the IBT can’t “See the forest for the trees”.

So in the words of Rodney King, “Can’t we all just get along?” I guess not!

Maybe I was giving “some” WBCCI IBT members a little more respect than I should have in the past and thought they were a little smarter than they are. I’m now of the mindset “some” have no vision, no leadership skills and are truly not “LEADERS” of the WBCCI, just mere managers of a trust fund created on the backs of the members of the WBCCI over the past 50 years.

Once again WBCCI members try to help bridge the gap to the other side with the IBT and the IBT makes the valley that much wider!

I should have known!

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, trying to work......for healthy change that is needed for the club to survive.
these 2 comments above are MUCH different than the initial "can help each other" concept (and i agree with both)...

because there is sadly little interest from the club in helping us HERE or these forums....

one of the problems is that many ladder climbers in the wb' view themselves (and the club)...

as the ONLY game for 'airstreaming' or folks with aluminum wanderlust...

for example when they voted NOT to endorse the africa caravan, part of the message was...

'since we don't endorse it, YOU PEOPLE cannot go to africa with 'streams...'

it is that desire to CONTROL people and groups connecting, and events and imagery of airstream enthusiasts...

that will be part of their UNDOING.

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[The answer back on the offer from the “Airforums” group to sponsor an event was also a “No”.
The reason giving was; The “Airforums” group is looked at as “competition” since they also have “numbers” and “rallies”
i have to wonder IF the tct or fmca or goodsam or any other rv enthusiast group wanted to 'sponsor' a table and offered money...

would those efforts and $$$ be rejected?

sadly rideair,

the full time paid staff at wb' h/q in j/c are not JUST getting this "competition" message from the old guard ibt.

the SAME message is coming to them LOUDLY and CLEARLY from some of the upNcomers on the vp tract...

it is SURE a good thing the airforum owner and collective doesn't view the wb' as competition...

imagine how LITTLE voice and dialog and exchange and transmission of wb' club INFORMATION there would be...

if
... 'wb threads weren't allowed here or grassroots issues; essentially UNedited,
... units didn't have forum staff BUILDING and SUPPORTING and SPONSORING club websites,
... these forums never provided private WB' chat areas
... wb' units weren't allowed to advertise, promote and brag about their exclusive rallies...

and so on...

the forum owner, mods and many members here have been VERY giving to the wb' .

i am sorry your ideas were rejected but not surprised...

as suggested in this early line from this thread...

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I’m now of the mindset “some” have no vision, no leadership skills and are truly not “LEADERS” of the WBCCI, just mere managers of a trust fund created on the backs of the members of the WBCCI over the past 50 years.
Paul,

Have to agree with you on everything you say here. The definition of leadership that I am partial to is from AR 600-100, "Leadership is influencing people by providing purpose, direction, and motivation, while operating to accomplish the mission and improve the organization."

While some say I have no right to complain since I am not a member, I do feel that we would like to join if the club would be dynamic, and change to suit the majority of its' members.

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