Sponsorship International Rally 2009

[2airishuman]

Originally Posted by rideair

trying to help with making "Airstreaming" the best it can be, that's all, nothing else.

Originally Posted by rideair

, trying to work......for healthy change that is needed for the club to survive.

these 2 comments above are MUCH different than the initial "can help each other" concept (and i agree with both)...

because there is sadly little interest from the club in helping us HERE or these forums....

one of the problems is that many ladder climbers in the wb' view themselves (and the club)...

as the ONLY game for 'airstreaming' or folks with aluminum wanderlust...

for example when they voted NOT to endorse the africa caravan, part of the message was...

'since we don't endorse it, YOU PEOPLE cannot go to africa with 'streams...'

it is that desire to CONTROL people and groups connecting, and events and imagery of airstream enthusiasts...

that will be part of their UNDOING.

Originally Posted by rideair

[The answer back on the offer from the “Airforums” group to sponsor an event was also a “No”.
The reason giving was; The “Airforums” group is looked at as “competition” since they also have “numbers” and “rallies”

i have to wonder IF the tct or fmca or goodsam or any other rv enthusiast group wanted to 'sponsor' a table and offered money...

would those efforts and $$$ be rejected?

sadly rideair,

the full time paid staff at wb' h/q in j/c are not JUST getting this "competition" message from the old guard ibt.

the SAME message is coming to them LOUDLY and CLEARLY from some of the upNcomers on the vp tract...

it is SURE a good thing the airforum owner and collective doesn't view the wb' as competition...

imagine how LITTLE voice and dialog and exchange and transmission of wb' club INFORMATION there would be...

if
... 'wb threads weren't allowed here or grassroots issues; essentially UNedited,
... units didn't have forum staff BUILDING and SUPPORTING and SPONSORING club websites,
... these forums never provided private WB' chat areas
... wb' units weren't allowed to advertise, promote and brag about their exclusive rallies...

and so on...

the forum owner, mods and many members here have been VERY giving to the wb' .

i am sorry your ideas were rejected but not surprised...

as suggested in this early line from this thread...

it's clear that many in the wb' see these forums as a threat.

cheers
2air'

[soldiermedic]

Originally Posted by rideair

I’m now of the mindset “some” have no vision, no leadership skills and are truly not “LEADERS” of the WBCCI, just mere managers of a trust fund created on the backs of the members of the WBCCI over the past 50 years.

Paul,

Have to agree with you on everything you say here. The definition of leadership that I am partial to is from AR 600-100, "Leadership is influencing people by providing purpose, direction, and motivation, while operating to accomplish the mission and improve the organization."

While some say I have no right to complain since I am not a member, I do feel that we would like to join if the club would be dynamic, and change to suit the majority of its' members.

Steve

[Shacksman]

Originally Posted by rideair

Maybe I was giving “some” WBCCI IBT members a little more respect than I should have in the past and thought they were a little smarter than they are. I’m now of the mindset “some” have no vision, no leadership skills and are truly not “LEADERS” of the WBCCI, just mere managers of a trust fund created on the backs of the members of the WBCCI over the past 50 years.

Once again WBCCI members try to help bridge the gap to the other side with the IBT and the IBT makes the valley that much wider!

I should have known!

“Innocence gave me confidence. To go up against reality”

So now tell my why anyone would support "Their International Rally"? All you are doing is giving them money to keep up the farse. If all you want to do is go for the vintage show why pay for the rest. Let them see how far they will get when no-one showes up. I won't be at another Internation Rally when there is so many local fun rallies to be at.

[Goin camping]

Sadly some in the IBT have not realized that Airforums are beneficial to the Club.

[damonbeals]

Does anyone know for sure that the request actually got to the IBT, it may have been denied before it got that far. Someone might want to inquire.

[drag'nwagon]

Well I am sorry Paul. I so wanted to send you some dough!! I like your ideas and I like the presentation. It really is too bad that all they can see is there own reflection in the aluminum as they walk past Rob's trailer.