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Old 04-08-2010, 11:19 AM   #57
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You know - I get letters in the mail asking me to vote for boards of several organizations. They send me a nice little ballot with info about the candidates.
THAT is what we should be doing for WBCCI - I guess that is along the lines of your 1M1V concept. But think about it - members vote by all mail in ballot and the results are announced at International. Saves a ton of time. Heck, with that the nominating committee only has to verify a member in good standing and we get to pick the future of the club instead of watching the train wreck.
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You know - I get letters in the mail asking me to vote for boards of several organizations. They send me a nice little ballot with info about the candidates.
THAT is what we should be doing for WBCCI - I guess that is along the lines of your 1M1V concept. But think about it - members vote by all mail in ballot and the results are announced at International. Saves a ton of time. Heck, with that the nominating committee only has to verify a member in good standing and we get to pick the future of the club instead of watching the train wreck.
That is the basic point I was making in another post (#5 of Fun, Fellowship, and Grievances). But then, only being a Mere Member . . . .
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Old 04-09-2010, 08:45 AM   #60
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Robin -- you can't get a good man elected from the floor -- it is nearly impossible to get any 'good man' his or her views in front of the entire membership -- that's by design -- failing leadership believes that their little clique are the only ones that can run through the motions. Running profitably with growth is simply not possible (they conceded that long ago).

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I know the pattern is repeated at the Unit level in many Units. We are presented with a no choice slate each year. One the IBT one our own Unit.


The structure makes it next to impossible to effect change. People don't want to come to a rally EVEN the business meeting to deal with what would effect change. They want to come and have fun not do the work of the club. Yet with the internet we have so much opportunity to do so. They don't want to. How many of us have tried to get amendments to our Units and been shot down?


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Old 04-18-2010, 09:53 PM   #61
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The GA Unit held their Business Meeting on Saturday. There were two items of interest passed:

1. A proposed amendment to the WBCCI Constitution that would specify that 2 of the 3 Nominating Committee be nominated by a majority of the Region Presidents (not the current nominating committee).

2. Since there is no announced opposition to the Slate nominated by the Nominating Committee, our delegate can use his judgment and vote for a candidate from the floor, if they better represent the wishes of our unit. This was after long discussion on the current state of the club.

Neither is big, but it is a start. If anyone would like a copy of the Amendment, PM me. It goes to Region 3 in a week and 1/2.
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Old 04-19-2010, 06:48 AM   #62
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The whole thing is run like its a Masonic Lodge, since that's what they know, and respect. Understand that and you understand everything-- like the elections that resemble moving through the chairs in lodge... and secret grievance committees and not listening to anything or anybody, and all the pomp and circumstance and tuxedoes.

Its all aping the masons or any other lodge you want to compare it to. I'm IOOF, and have seen it all before. And know it will be solved only by attrition, and replacement by demise. Sadly the phase change is what hurts. And the phase will change utterly but not by anything else other than blocked arteries, diabetes, and the Conquerer Worm.

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Getting an amendment through the unit can be done. Even getting it through the region can be done. Last week, I had an amendment (the unit caravan amendment) that was passed at region level with only one no vote.

Getting it through IBT is another story. It failed last time. It is going through again this year. It was last turned down as a "vanity thing" by the very same folks that wasted most of one IBT meeting haggling over who would get 3-digit numbers. Of course, if that isn't vanity, what is?

I'm willing to put it through again next year if needed.
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The whole thing is run like its a Masonic Lodge, since that's what they know, and respect. Understand that and you understand everything-- like the elections that resemble moving through the chairs in lodge... and secret grievance committees and not listening to anything or anybody, and all the pomp and circumstance and tuxedoes.

Its all aping the masons or any other lodge you want to compare it to. I'm IOOF, and have seen it all before. And know it will be solved only by attrition, and replacement by demise. Sadly the phase change is what hurts. And the phase will change utterly but not by anything else other than blocked arteries, diabetes, and the Conquerer Worm.

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Hey "Professor", you a Mason??? Have you been to the East?
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The amendment doesn't have to go through IBT. There is another track.

ARTICLE XVI
AMENDMENTS

Sec. 1 Proposed amendments to this Constitution may be submitted to Headquarters in writing by any chartered
Unit of the club. Any such amendment(s) shall bear a certification by the Unit President that it has been
approved by a majority vote conducted in accordance with the Unit's Constitution and Bylaws. The
proposed amendment(s) shall also bear a certification by the President of the Region of which the
originating Unit is a part, that the amendment has likewise been approved by a majority of the Units
within that Region. Upon receipt of the proposed amendment(s) bearing the required certifications,
Headquarters shall distribute copies to the Presidents of all other chartered units for ratification or
rejection. When two-thirds of the club's chartered Units have ratified the proposed amendment(s) by
majority votes according to their Constitution and Bylaws and the Unit Presidents have so certified to
Headquarters, such amendment(s) shall be deemed to be adopted. If two-thirds of the Club's Units do not
ratify the proposed amendment(s) within one year following the distribution to the Unit Presidents, the
proposed amendment(s) shall be deemed to have been rejected and to be of no further effect. (6/30/93)

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The amendment doesn't have to go through IBT. There is another track.
So who makes the decision as to which track the amendment will proceed?
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The Unit and Region who bring it forward. I understand you can pursue both tracks. There are some opportunities for the amendment to be amended in the Delegate meeting (death for the amendment).
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Getting an amendment through the unit can be done. Even getting it through the region can be done. Last week, I had an amendment (the unit caravan amendment) that was passed at region level with only one no vote.

Getting it through IBT is another story. It failed last time. It is going through again this year. It was last turned down as a "vanity thing" by the very same folks that wasted most of one IBT meeting haggling over who would get 3-digit numbers. Of course, if that isn't vanity, what is?

I'm willing to put it through again next year if needed.
John,
Does this mean your unit again passed the motion to reduce numbered Unit Caravan requirements (7 units & 8 days from 10 & 10?)? If so, I must offer you a BIG HEARTY THANKS! I got my unit to pass that motion last year (almost unopposed), as did several other Units and a couple of Regions. I was flabbergasted when the IBT voted it down and did not forward it to all Units for a vote. I thought that was a true member value added motion that would encourage the creation of and participation in Unit Caravans. I know un-numbered Unit Caravans can still be created, but somehow I think the reward of getting a number after your name in the directory will get more people to give one a try.

Lorrie and I have enjoyed the two caravans we have tried, but such opportunities for us working folks are few and far between because of the typical time commitment of several weeks. Shorter, numbered, Unit caravans would be a welcome opportunity for more members to participate and get credit for doing so.

Thank you for taking up the good fight . . . again!

P.S. If you send me your motion, I will try to run it through my unit again this year and I will promote it with my Region President so that the IBT does not vote it down again.
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No-- as I mentioned, I am IOOF, The Independent Order of Oddfellows, and have been honored by my lodge by being elected Noble Grand, when I was an Indiana resident. I am currently a regular member of Central Lodge No. 1 of Washington DC jurisdiction, but since I full time, I visit lots of lodges while on the road. I am deeply moved by the tenets of Lodge, but am made saddened when Brotherhood is replaced by venal motives of power and self perpetuation. Thus it is I am sad a lot these days...

I have deep, deep respect for Masonry, and some of the most wonderfully evolved, spiritually mastered and centered folks I have met are of that Brotherhood. To see it aped in such a hollow fashioned by the current IBT leadership, mocks both the ideals of the WBCCI and Freemasonry. If I think about it too much, I feel the need to wash.

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