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Old 04-22-2019, 05:10 PM   #1051
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Joe, I can just imagine the time and effort it takes to dig through the books researching a number. I’ve looked through the threads trying to find our ghost numbers. We picked our 1955 FC in Michigan. From what I understood from the owners were that it originated in California, then to Iowa and finally landing in Michigan. Strangely the top was painted white. When I stripped the paint off, there appeared to be the sea foam green Zolatone primer underneath. That makes me think that was a original buyer’s request at the California factory. Whatever history of the top coat of paint, the ghost numbers of 3960 appeared. We appreciate your efforts and all you do. Thanks, Bubba
Hi Bubba,
Yes, lookups can be time consuming. #3960 was first assigned in 1960. Here is how that number has been assigned over the years:
1960-69: Harry & Norleen Ayles, Saugus, MA (1960-64), Hampton Falls, NH (1965-69), Caravan 26 - Mexico Winter 1961
1970-80: Willem & Margaret Kraan, Paramount, CA, (1980 Margaret only), no caravans.
1981-86: Unassigned.
1987-91: Byron R. & Haroldine L. Jaquot, Chula Vista, CA, no caravans.
1992-93: Unassigned.
1994-96: Jacques & Madeleine Beausoleil, Leval, Quebec, Canada, no caravans.
1997-98: Unassigned.
1999: Douglass & Rhonda Volz, Bouton, IA, no caravans.
2000: Unassigned, did not check further.

As you picked up your 1955 Flying Cloud in Michigan, one would think that this would help make an educated guess as to which of the above might be a prior owner. The trouble is that none of the assignees of #3960 had addresses near Michigan, thus we are left to look for clues in or on the trailer, such as paperwork you got with it or a dealer decal/embelm that might point to a prior location in/near MA, CA QE, or IA.

The biggest clue, though, might be that, from photos in your restoration thread (http://www.airforums.com/forums/f73/...no-154849.html) I know you have a California built 1955 Flying Cloud. This clearly makes the Kraans and/or Jacqouts as the most likely prior owners as all of the other assignee locations were more likely to have Airstreams from the Ohio plant, though there are no absolutes. A supporting clue is the amount of fading of the ghost numbers, which helps suggest how long ago the numbers were applied. Since your numbers are/were very faded, I will make my best educated guess that the Kraans owned your 1955 Flying Cloud in the 1970s, although if information in/on the trailer points to it having been in MA, then I will shift my guess to the Ayles.

I will keep following your restoration. I hope you get the Flying Cloud on the road soon!

I think I am done with number lookups for today.
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Old 04-22-2019, 05:24 PM   #1052
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Hi Bubba,
Yes, lookups can be time consuming. #3960 was first assigned in 1960. Here is how that number has been assigned over the years:
1960-69: Harry & Norleen Ayles, Saugus, MA (1960-64), Hampton Falls, NH (1965-69), Caravan 26 - Mexico Winter 1961
1970-80: Willem & Margaret Kraan, Paramount, CA, (1980 Margaret only), no caravans.
1981-86: Unassigned.
1987-91: Byron R. & Haroldine L. Jaquot, Chula Vista, CA, no caravans.
1992-93: Unassigned.
1994-96: Jacques & Madeleine Beausoleil, Leval, Quebec, Canada, no caravans.
1997-98: Unassigned.
1999: Douglass & Rhonda Volz, Bouton, IA, no caravans.
2000: Unassigned, did not check further.

As you picked up your 1955 Flying Cloud in Michigan, one would think that this would help make an educated guess as to which of the above might be a prior owner. The trouble is that none of the assignees of #3960 had addresses near Michigan, thus we are left to look for clues in or on the trailer, such as paperwork you got with it or a dealer decal/embelm that might point to a prior location in/near MA, CA QE, or IA.

The biggest clue, though, might be that, from photos in your restoration thread (http://www.airforums.com/forums/f73/...no-154849.html) I know you have a California built 1955 Flying Cloud. This clearly makes the Kraans and/or Jacqouts as the most likely prior owners as all of the other assignee locations were more likely to have Airstreams from the Ohio plant, though there are no absolutes. A supporting clue is the amount of fading of the ghost numbers, which helps suggest how long ago the numbers were applied. Since your numbers are/were very faded, I will make my best educated guess that the Kraans owned your 1955 Flying Cloud in the 1970s, although if information in/on the trailer points to it having been in MA, then I will shift my guess to the Ayles.

I will keep following your restoration. I hope you get the Flying Cloud on the road soon!

I think I am done with number lookups for today.
Thanks for your time, Joe. The information is interesting to say the least. Our first trial 3-day trip is coming up. Need to check Systems after rolling down the road. Preparing for Pismo Beach soon.
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Old 04-23-2019, 04:13 PM   #1053
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THANK YOU!!!!!!! so much Joe.
I really appreciate the time you put in on these numbers.

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Thank you so much for taking the time to look up the information, really appreciate it very much. At least i now know a little bit more on my 66 Safari.
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Old 04-23-2019, 10:23 PM   #1055
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Joe,

I really appreciate the research you are doing for folks here. Whenever you get the time, I would love to know the history of my 69 Overlander. The number is 21104. Like I said, no hurry and if you have a paypal or patreon set up, maybe we could all contribute to help make up for your lost time.

Thanks again.
Hi Jeremy,
WBCCI #21104 was first assigned in 1968, which could be appropriate for an early built 1969 Airstream. Here is how that number has been assigned over the years:
1969-82: Royal C. & Ada Hayden, Red Wing, MN, caravan 95 - Eastern Canada Summer 1973.
1983+: Unassigned, but only spot checked a few directories after 1990.

Thus we are left to guess that most likely the Hayden's bought your 1969 Overlander, immediately joined the club, and probably took it on their 1973 caravan. That's all I got. Enjoy your Overlander! I really like the uniqueness of the 1969 models, though I've never owned one.

I never ask for payment. I just suggest that everyone who I do research for consider joining the Airstream club (WBCCI) if you have any curiosity. There are lots of great people and great activities in the club, though it may not be a fit for everyone.
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Old 04-23-2019, 11:08 PM   #1056
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My grandparents had the 1963 Tradewind I now own in their yard for many years. The number printed is 199. What information is there? Any help is appreciated.
Hi Fredrick,
A 3-digit number is pretty unsual. While in the early years these numbers could be assigned to any club member, since about 1970(ish) these low numbers have been reserved for special purposes as far as reassignment goes, but those that were assigned such numbers before 1970 could keep them as long as they remained in the club. #199 first appeared in the very first Membership Directory in 1955. Here is how that number has been assigned over the years:
1955-1969: Harry & Anna Grief, Estes Park, CO (1955), Phoenix, AZ (1969), caravan 5 - Mexico, West Coast Winter 1955.
1970: Unassigned.
1971-91: William A. & Rose Blake, Adelanto, CA (1971), Boron, CA (1991), caravans 66 - Western Canada Summer 1969 & 80- Old World Europe 1971.
1992+: Unassigned (reserved for special use).

The above now requires additional research for "the rest of the story", since the Blakes are credited with a caravan before they were assigned #199. Looking back to earlier directories, we can see that the Blakes were originally assigned #14752 from 1967 (possibly 1966) thru 1970. Thus some time in 1970 they must have requested to change their membership number to the then available #199. Club members occasionally do change membership numbers for a variety of reasons.

Based upon the above we can be pretty sure that either the Griefs or the Blakes owned your 1963 Tradewind (likely not both), but given that you are in Michigan and both couples lived several states away, it is hard for me to guess which it more likely the previous owner. The Griefs obviously originally had a much older Airstream, but they could have upgraded to a 1963 Tradewind when new or possibly later as a used trailer. On the other had, it is hard to hazard any guess about what Airstream (or Airstreams) the Blakes may have owned, but it would be exciting if there was some chance that the Blakes might have taken your Tradewind on the 1971 European Caravan, though that is not a certainty even if the Blakes owned it as they could have owned different Airstreams over the years.

Anyway, perhaps you can find some clues in or on the Tradewind that tie it to the Griefs or Blakes, or perhaps to a dealer in California, Colorado, or Arizona . . . or maybe even to participation on the 1971 European Caravan. A ghost outline of #14752 under the 199 would conclusively tie the trailer to the Blakes. Good luck looking for these types of clues. Enjoy your Tradewind!

I am signing off for tonight. This one took quite a bit to research and I still need to get my rest to shake this cold. Good night.
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Old 04-24-2019, 08:23 AM   #1057
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Hi there. We have a new to us 1969 Airstream Sovereign Land Yacht. No hurry, but if you can find the time, I was wondering if you have anything on number #14774. I know it was most recently used in California because it still had California plates on it, but that's all I know. I know you're busy, but if you ever have any down time, lol, I'd be very interested in any information you might have. Like I said, no hurry, I have all the time in the world. Thanks in advance!
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#14774 was first assigned 1n late 1965 before your 1969 Sovereign was built. Here is how it has been assigned according to WBCCI Membership Directories:
  • 1966-78: Dr. Walter P. & Viola Streitel, Laguna Hills, CA, caravans 54 - Trans Canada Summer 1967 & 63 - Yucatan February 1969.
  • 1979+: Unassigned, spot checked many, but not all directories up to 2000.
Thus we can guess that it is most likely that the Streitels owned your 1969 Sovereign. They would have joined the club with an earlier Airstream, but could have upgraded to the Sovereign when new in late 1968 or early 1969 or possibly years later as a used trailer. If they upgraded to it when new, it seems likely that they would have taken it on their Yucatan Peninsula caravan. That's all I got. Enjoy your Sovereign!
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Old 04-24-2019, 04:52 PM   #1058
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Hi, I have a new to me 1971 Sovereign 31 ft. I believe the numbers that were on it before were 13907. If you would be willing to give me any insight that would be great. No pressure as I know you have limited time and multiple requests. Thanks!
Hi Emily,
As I have noted for several other recent lookups, WBCCI #13907 was first assigned before your 1971 Sovereign was made, in this case in 1965, thus first appearing on the 1966 directory. Here is how #13907 has been assigned over the years:
  • 1966-75: Robert & Evelyn Strong, Muskegon, MI (1966), White Hall, MI (1975), no caravans.
  • 1976-77: Unassigned.
  • 1978-2006: Ernest K. & Janice M. Rotering, Grove City, OH, caravan 225 - Newfoundland Experience, 1995.
  • 2007+: Unassigned, only spoke checked a few.
So what can we guess? The Strong's obviously joined the club with an earlier Airstream, but could have upgraded to a 1971 Sovereign when new or later as a used trailer. No real clue as to what Airstream(s) the Roterings may have owned, but if they owned your 1971 Sovereign, they might have taken it on their 1995 Caravan to Newfoundland. Given the two unassigned years and distance between the Strongs and Roterings, I think it most likely that #13907 was just randomly reassigned, thus both likely did not own the same Airstream.

You are located about midway between Muskegon, MI and Grove City, OH, though slightly closer to Muskegon, so your location does not favor either the Strongs or Roterings as previous owners significantly. This means you will need to look for clue in or on the trailer than might point it to a previous owner location in Michigan or Ohio. Or maybe where you purchased the trailer might be close of where one of the previous assignees of #13907 lived. That's all I got. The rest of the investigation is up to you. Good Luck. Enjoy your Sovereign!
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Old 04-24-2019, 05:13 PM   #1059
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Hi Joe, if you come across anything for 6249, thx for passing along!

I think it is original to my 62 ambassador.
Hi Cheoah,
It is likely a good guess that #6249 is original to your 1962 Ambassdor, because that number was first assigned in 1962, thus first appearing in the 1963 WBCCI Membership Directory. Here is how #6249 had been assigned over the years:
  • 1963-78: John & Donna Martin, Green Bay, WI, no caravans.
  • 1979-81: Unassigned.
  • 1982-2002: M.A. & Helen Sisk, Roanoke, TX (1982), Bartonville, TX 2002, Helen only), caravan 195 - Yucatan Adventure 1991 and a couple of WBCCI Unit caravans.
  • 2003-04: Unassigned.
  • 2005: Reassigned, details withheld.
What can we guess? Given the unassigned years and distance in between the Martins and the Sisks it seems most likely they did not own the same Airstream. You are not particularly near either couple, so that is not a strong clue. The best clue is #6249 being first assigned the year your 1962 Ambassador was made. Thus my best guess is that the Martins owned your Ambassador. I have no way helping you determine how it could have made its way from Wisconsin to North Carolina. Have fun with your Ambassador!
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Old 04-24-2019, 05:27 PM   #1060
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Would someone be able to do research on 20058? Found it on a 63 Globetrotter
Hi painterfam,
WBCCI #20058 was first assigned in 1967, thus first appearing in the 1968 Membership Directory, so I cannot provide any potential help between 1963 and 1967. Here is how #20058 has been assigned over the years:
  • 1968-81: Wilson C. & Ruth Moore, Colorado Springs, CO (1981), Cabool, MO, caravan 83 - Mexico Fall 1971.
  • 1982+: Unassigned, though only spot checked a few directories.
Thus it seems pretty clear that the Moores owned your 1963 Globetrotter. It is also possible that they took it on their 1971 Mexico Caravan, but we cannot be 100% sure as they could have owned different Airstreams over the years. That's all I got. Go make some memories of your own with your Globetrotter!

I think I am done for tonight as I have finally addressed all the requests made in 2018! Just a few from 2019 are now waiting in the queue.
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Old 04-24-2019, 05:37 PM   #1061
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New member hoping to land a big silver fish this weekend. Curious about any historical info you might have on a '69 Overlander 27-footer with the double bed on one side of the "hallway" and cabinets on the other. #20262. Thanks!

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Did you land this "big silver fish" over the weekend? I normally only look up numbers for owners of trailer because of the time involved with doing the research. I don't want to devote time to looking up the information if you did not get the trailer. Please advise. Your request is currently #2 in the queue, so I should be getting to it soon, if you are now the owner.
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Old 04-24-2019, 08:09 PM   #1062
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Hi drhuffman,
#14774 was first assigned 1n late 1965 before your 1969 Sovereign was built. Here is how it has been assigned according to WBCCI Membership Directories:
  • 1966-78: Dr. Walter P. & Viola Streitel, Laguna Hills, CA, caravans 54 - Trans Canada Summer 1967 & 63 - Yucatan February 1969.
  • 1979+: Unassigned, spot checked many, but not all directories up to 2000.
Thus we can guess that it is most likely that the Streitels owned your 1969 Sovereign. They would have joined the club with an earlier Airstream, but could have upgraded to the Sovereign when new in late 1968 or early 1969 or possibly years later as a used trailer. If they upgraded to it when new, it seems likely that they would have taken it on their Yucatan Peninsula caravan. That's all I got. Enjoy your Sovereign!
Wow, that is so interesting. Thank you so much for your time. We are spending a lot of time working on it right now. It has so much of the original fixtures and so on, and we are preserving those, but some things, such as the furniture, appliances and flooring are being updated.

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Joe,
We recently purchased a 1963 Safari and we are trying to piece together the history of the trailer. We know that it was brought to Florida in 1976 and has been sitting in a hunt camp in the Ocala National Forest since then. It still has the WBCCI numbers on the rear of the trailer as well as the number shadows of the same number on the front of the trailer. The numbers are 9894. When we were cleaning the trailer after we got it home we found some of the original paperwork in one of the drawers. In the paperwork we found several names on an assortment of receipts with the earliest name being “Stuckey”. We suspect that Mr Stuckey may have been the original owner. There are also shadows of caravan stickers located on the front and rear of the trailer above the club numbers. Any information that you might be able to provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks so much for all the time and effort that you put into providing this historical club information.

Safe Travels!!
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Old 04-25-2019, 06:25 AM   #1064
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Hi Joe, I would love to know more about the number on my 1976 25' Trade Wind (Land Yacht)
The Number is 9457
Any help about the history of my trailer would be appreciated
Hi landyachtmom,
WBCCI #8457 was first assigned in 1963 well before your 1976 Tradewind was built. Here is how #9457 had been assigned since the mid-1970s:
  • 1975: Unassigned, did not check prior.
  • 1976-98: Reinhold & Mary Jane Unger, St. Clair Shores, MI (1975), Punta Gorda, FL (1998), caravans:
    • N11 - WBCCI Post International Rally Caravan 1982
    • 154 - Christmas in Guadalajara Winter 1984
    • 172 - Christmas in Guadalajara Winter 1987
    • 177 - Eastern Canada Summer 1988
    • 181 - The Magnificent Peninsula - Baja 1989
    • 182 - Yukon and Alaska 1989
    • 188 - Mayan Adventure (Yucatan) 1990
    • 204 - Guatemala and Coasts of Mexico 1992
  • 1999+: Unassigned, but only spot checked a few years.
So we can reasonably guess that it was the Ungers that previously owned your 1976 Tradewind, and that they most likely bought it new and immediately joined WBCCI, but we cannot be sure if they owned it the full time they were in the club or if they upgraded to another Airstream at some point. It would seem likely that they used it at least on some of their early caravans and it is interesting to consider the possibility that it could have been on all of the caravans noted above. Of course, there is also the chance that they upgraded before 1982 and it was on none of those caravans. I have no way of determining that. I wonder if you can find any evidence of some or all of the above caravans in or on the trailer?

This was a fun one to research - I think this is the highest number of potential caravans that I have turned up evidence on during one of these "lookups", and quite a variety, too, from Mexico and Central America to Alaska and Eastern Canada, your Tradewind might just be very well traveled.

Make some memories of your own in it. Maybe even take a caravan or two of your own. WBCCI offers dozens of caravan each year should you want to check the club out.
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