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Old 01-28-2018, 03:10 PM   #995
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I just bought 12383.

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Probably only 1 registration based on the history ive been told.
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Old 01-31-2018, 03:37 PM   #996
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I recently purchased a very tired 1963 Safari with a stripped interior. It is getting a total rebuild, but I am curious about it's history. I am a current WBCCI member and have a couple of new directories and one old 1980 directory. The number on our Safari 12659 is in the 1980 directory from a couple who lived in Oregon (exact information is not in front of me at the moment of typing this). However, I was wondering how far back I can get history on my trailer. I would love know if it had the same owners from 1963 to 1980 and if it was in any caravans. We purchased it from a local couple who bought it in Arkansas where it sat in the woods as a deer camp for who knows how long. Any info would be great. Pic attached.

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Old 01-31-2018, 10:36 PM   #997
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I recently purchased a very tired 1963 Safari with a stripped interior. It is getting a total rebuild, but I am curious about it's history. I am a current WBCCI member and have a couple of new directories and one old 1980 directory. The number on our Safari 12659 is in the 1980 directory from a couple who lived in Oregon (exact information is not in front of me at the moment of typing this). However, I was wondering how far back I can get history on my trailer. I would love know if it had the same owners from 1963 to 1980 and if it was in any caravans. We purchased it from a local couple who bought it in Arkansas where it sat in the woods as a deer camp for who knows how long. Any info would be great. Pic attached.

Thanks!
Hi Jewel,
I am not going to do a full lookup yet, because I can tell that WBCCI #12659 was not the first number on your 1963 Safari. The 12659 could not have been applied until 1965 or later.

I believe I can see the two center digits of a likely 4 digit number that was previously on your Airstream. The center two digits look like a "70" to me and assuming that the original number was first applied some time between late 1962 and early 1964, I will speculate that the lead digit might be a 6, 7, 8, or 9, but I can't see it in the photo. If you are able to determine the original full 4-digit number, that would likely correspond to the first owner of your 1963 Safari. Let me know.
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Old 01-31-2018, 11:09 PM   #998
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The ghost number 19207 is on our 57 Overlander. Thanks for your help.

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Sorry for the slow reply. I've been very busy lately. #19207 was first assigned in 1967 thus first appearing in the 1968 WBCCI Membership Directory. Given that this is years after your 1957 Overlander was built, we cannot just assume that is when the number was applied to your Airstream. In any case, here is how #19207 has been assigned over the years:

1968-69: George & Beatrice Steckhahn, Menomenee Falls, WI, no caravans.
1970: Unassigned.
1971-76: Anthony & Mary Korenak, Brookfield, WI, no caravans.
1977: Michael G. & Beatrice Colwell, Menomonee Falls, WI, no caravans.
1978-Current: Unassigned (only spot checked a few directories after 1985)

So what can we guess from this? My guess is that all three couples in Wisconsin owned the same Airstream because of the close proximity of the cities they lived in. It must have been your 1957 Overlander.

I do wonder if Beatrice Colwell was Beatrice Streckhahn. If the Streckhahns dropped out of the club for 1970 because George passed away, I suppose Beatrice could have remarried re-bought the Overlander, and rejoined the club. Of course, this is only speculation. I have absolutely no proof. It just seems too much of a coincidence that two different women with the same first name in the same city would be assigned the same WBCCI number just a few years apart. It is possible, just seems unlikely.

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Old 01-31-2018, 11:26 PM   #999
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Hello! We just purchased a 1971 International Ambassador from a long time owner (although not the original owner, I don't think!). We have some ghost numbers on there and after doing a search, I don't see them on this thread, but wondering if we could revive them! I emailed WBCCI membership as well.

The number is 8123. Any info would be great! Thanks.
WBCCI #8123 was first assigned in 1963, well before your 1971 Ambassador was built. Here is how that number has been assigned since 1971:
1971: Unassigned.
1972-2014: Booker & Enid Everett, Downey, CA, caravans 145 - Yukon to Alaska 1983, 155 - Best of Mexico Winter 1985 , and a few WBCCI Region and Unit Caravans.

It would seem that the Everetts most likely bought the Ambassador new in 1971 and immediately joined WBCCI, thus first appearing in the 1972 Directory. We have no way of telling how long they owned it or if they took it on any of their caravans. Maybe they kept it the full time they were in the club or maybe they upgraded to another Airstream one or more times during their decades in the club.

I hope you have heard back from WBCCI Membership. I am sure they would be happy to assign you #8123 if it is not currently assigned to someone else. Enjoy your Ambassador!
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Old 01-31-2018, 11:32 PM   #1000
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I just bought 12383.

Any information?

Probably only 1 registration based on the history ive been told.
Hi, You are both new here, so I'll repeat what I have said a few times before. Researching old WBCCI numbers in decades of paper Membership Directories takes time. The task is made easier of I know the year of the Airstream the old "big red numbers" are on, because that can limit the number of Membership Directories that have to be searched. Thus, I only provide this service to those that post information about the Airstream as well as the WBCCI number they are inquiring about. Provide that information and I'll be happy to look up the number when I get some free time (no promise that it will be a quick turn around as I am very busy with other things). I hope this makes sense.
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Old 01-31-2018, 11:38 PM   #1001
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Hi Jewel,
I am not going to do a full lookup yet, because I can tell that WBCCI #12659 was not the first number on your 1963 Safari. The 12659 could not have been applied until 1965 or later.

I believe I can see the two center digits of a likely 4 digit number that was previously on your Airstream. The center two digits look like a "70" to me and assuming that the original number was first applied some time between late 1962 and early 1964, I will speculate that the lead digit might be a 6, 7, 8, or 9, but I can't see it in the photo. If you are able to determine the original full 4-digit number, that would likely correspond to the first owner of your 1963 Safari. Let me know.
Hi again Jewel,
The more I look at the photo, the more I think the original number started with an "8", thus making it "870X". See if you agree, because the number may be more visible from a different angle than the photo was taken. Also see if you can make out the last digit. I have no clue on that one.
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Old 02-01-2018, 05:30 AM   #1002
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Hi, You are both new here, so I'll repeat what I have said a few times before. Researching old WBCCI numbers in decades of paper Membership Directories takes time. The task is made easier of I know the year of the Airstream the old "big red numbers" are on, because that can limit the number of Membership Directories that have to be searched. Thus, I only provide this service to those that post information about the Airstream as well as the WBCCI number they are inquiring about. Provide that information and I'll be happy to look up the number when I get some free time (no promise that it will be a quick turn around as I am very busy with other things). I hope this makes sense.
Mine is a 1970 31' sovereign. I would really think you only need to check 1970 -71 unless the history I was told was inaccurate.

# is 12383
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Old 02-01-2018, 08:45 AM   #1003
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Mine is a 1970 31' sovereign. I would really think you only need to check 1970 -71 unless the history I was told was inaccurate.

# is 12383
Hi Doug,
Here is how #12383 was assigned from 1970 onward:
1970: Unnassigned.
1971-72: Carroll Adams, Mesa, AZ, no caravans.
1973-85: Herschel & Mary Lou McMahan, Indianapolis, IN (1973), Naples, FL:, (1985), no caravans.
1986: Unassigned. Did not check further.

Since you think you know the original owner name, I am hoping it is one of the names I provided. Being that you are from Indiana, it would seem that the McMahans from Indianapolis are more likely to have owned your Airstream than Mr. Adams in Arizona.

There is one curiosity though in that there was no unassigned year in between their memberships. Typically, WBCCI holds a number for a year before reassigning it in case the prior assignee(s) make a late decision to renew their membership. This waiting period can be waived by the prior assignee(s), and that most often occurs when they sell their Airstream and the new owner wants to immediately join the club with the same number.

What does this mean in your case? If you have an Ohio built Sovereign, probably nothing - the McMahan's were probably the first owners. However, if your Airstream is California built, it becomes more likely that Mr. Carroll was the first owner and may somehow have sold it "long distance" to the McMahans. Mind you, these are just guesses because the club did not keep records of the Airstream owned by members, but it is a fact that a 1970 Airstream sold new in Arizona was more likely to come from the California plant and one sold new in Indiana was more likely to have come from the Ohio plant.

I hope this helps. It would be interesting to hear if any of this confirms what you thought you knew. Enjoy your Sovereign!
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Old 02-01-2018, 11:25 AM   #1004
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wonder if we discovered an error in the numbers. A duplicate issued or an error somewhere.

The Indianapolis owner makes sense. Ohio built and didnt do much traveling as far as i know.

I actually dont have any names i just know it sat on a campground at lake monroe for many years. It has changed hands but never left that spot since the McMahan's owned it.

Thanks for the info, all very interesting.
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Hi, You are both new here, so I'll repeat what I have said a few times before. Researching old WBCCI numbers in decades of paper Membership Directories takes time. The task is made easier of I know the year of the Airstream the old "big red numbers" are on, because that can limit the number of Membership Directories that have to be searched. Thus, I only provide this service to those that post information about the Airstream as well as the WBCCI number they are inquiring about. Provide that information and I'll be happy to look up the number when I get some free time (no promise that it will be a quick turn around as I am very busy with other things). I hope this makes sense.


Thank you so much mine is on a 1966 overlander 26d.
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Old 02-08-2018, 07:16 PM   #1006
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wonder if we discovered an error in the numbers. A duplicate issued or an error somewhere.

The Indianapolis owner makes sense. Ohio built and didnt do much traveling as far as i know.

I actually dont have any names i just know it sat on a campground at lake monroe for many years. It has changed hands but never left that spot since the McMahan's owned it.

Thanks for the info, all very interesting.
Some confirmation of the information was found by the name plate, a sticker they had put on is still partially there.
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Old 02-09-2018, 01:03 AM   #1007
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Thank you so much mine is on a 1966 overlander 26d.
Hi 66Heathen,
I suppose I should have guessed you had a 1966 Airstream from your forum name. In any case, thanks.

#5312 was first assigned in 1961, before your 1966 Airstream was built. Here is how that number has been assigned according to WBCCI Membership Directories over the years:
1962-1997: Wendel & Isabell Jones, Mansfield, OH, caravans 29 - Mexico Winter 1962, 33 - Eastern Canada Summer 1963, & 41 - Pan American Winter 1965.
1998-2000+: Unassigned (did not check further).

From this we can be pretty sure that the Jones' owned your 1966 Overlander, be we cannot be sure when. Did they upgrade to it when new in 1966, or did they upgrade to it as a used trailer at a later time. In any case, a 1966 Airstream is too new to have been used on any of their caravans.

That's all I got. Enjoy your 1966 Overlander. We miss our first Airstream from time to time. It was also a 1966 Overlander 26d.
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Old 02-09-2018, 07:10 AM   #1008
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Can you assist with research on #13359 please? Its a 1978 Sovereign International Land Yacht 31' Thanks!
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