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Old 12-09-2012, 10:09 PM   #477
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I'm looking at a 1963 Tradewind that has the ghost numbers 30476. It looks to have Wally's Caravan decals on the trailer as well.
If there is any available history on this trailer,PO info and or numbers I'd love to hear about it.
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If the 1963 Tradewind has the ghost outline of a rectangular "Wally Byam's Caravan" sticker on it, it indicates that the original owners joined the club immediately after buying it, because that sticker stopped being used in about 1963. If so, there would be an older WBCCI number of 4 digits or less under the 30476. If you trailer only has the Round Wally Byam Caravan Club Sticker, that could have been added by the original owners or any subsequent owners.
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In 1964 the numbers did not go that high. In 1977 30476 Was assigned to Ray and Thelma Morgan from Hugoton, KS. They show they were on caravan 107. We are not sure your trailer belonged to them, but it is possible.
Regarding #30476, Dwight is correct in that the original assignees were the Morgans, when this number was first assigned in late 1975 or early 1976. I checked later directories and found that the Morgans had this number through 1985, at which time only Thelma was listed and was credited for several caravans:
  • 107 - Far East Mexico Winter 1976
  • 120 - Maritime Provinces Summer 1978
  • 122 - Mexico Winter 1979
  • 133 - Western Canada Summer 1979
  • 126 - Best of Mexico Winter 1980
  • R29 - Ozark Foliage Caravan Region 9 - 1980
Then in 1986 #30476 was assigned to an Earl and Thelma Shandy of Hugoton, KS, which appears to be a remarriage for Thelma, since they are credited with the same caravans. In 1987-1989 it is back again to just Thelma Morgan, possibly she out lived a second husband? By 1989, she had added another caravan, R108 Dixie Adventure Region 8 - 1988. Then in 1990-1992, #30476 is assigned to Frank Davidson and Thelma Morgan, of Hugoton, KS, same caravans. From 1993-2006, #30476 was again assigned to just Thelma Morgan.

What can we tell from this? Thelma Morgan and likely one of her husbands did in fact own the 1963 Tradewind, since no one else was ever assigned that number. What we don't know is when they owned it (they may have owned more than one Airstream over the years) and which caravans it may have gone on. We I to guess, I'd suggest this it is more likely that she and her first husband owned it in the 1970's rather than later, but I have no way to prove or disprove it. If my guess is correct, you may find evidence of caravans to Mexico, Canada, and other places on paperwork that may come with the Tradewind, or decals that might be on the trailer.

That's all I got. Good luck if you decide to purchase the Tradewind.
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:38 PM   #478
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Wow that's a lot of information,thank very much.
It appears to have a rectangular Wally Byam's Caravan decals on it so hopefully I can find another number on it and find some more history on this super cool trailer.
I did go ahead and agree to purchase the trailer,owner has to find the title.
I did notice the trailer still has Kansas license plates so it makes sense the Morgans were previous owners.
Thanks again.
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:31 PM   #479
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Wow, Mike you are so lucky! I wish my 63 overlander had been on even one caravan , your's......it's a keeper! Careful on the no title issue as that can be a real problem in some states.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:21 PM   #480
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Wow, Mike you are so lucky! I wish my 63 overlander had been on even one caravan , your's......it's a keeper! Careful on the no title issue as that can be a real problem in some states.
Thank you! Pretty cool getting some history like that on the trailer. I'm working on that title.
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:26 PM   #481
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I am new to the forums! I am wondering about any wbcci info/past owners related to my 1963 overlander 26' with the number 9082. My airstream has a neat little plaque on it (pretty sure it is 1963 original) by the door that says "This international airstream land yacht specially designed for Ed and Elizabeth Hoff." There is also a faded area on the front where they must have had a decal of some kind that said "Hoffs '63" along with some other text I can't make out! Just curious if anyone knows anything about my trailer, the Hoffs, or other owners! Thank you
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:46 AM   #482
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WBCCI NO. vs TRAILER

The number on the trailer is the number for the member who put that number on it at some time in its life. If the Hoffs owned it an put the number on would have been their number at that time. Since that is 50 years ago, if they bought it new, they are likely no longer alive. It is likely that this trailer has gone though at least three owners since then, and any one of them might have had the 9082 number.
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Thanks for the reply, - I understand that much. I was mostly curious if anyone had any info on where my trailer had traveled with the Hoffs, how long they had that number, or any old wbcci member listings that had that #9082 that might be my trailer. It sounds like that info is hard to come by! Thanks again.
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Old 02-06-2013, 03:36 PM   #484
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New here! I have a 1964 safari twin with stickers inside the cabinets from all over the United States, the ghost numbers appear to be 11636. If anyone has information on this I would really appreciate it.
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:52 PM   #485
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I am new to the forums! I am wondering about any wbcci info/past owners related to my 1963 overlander 26' with the number 9082. My airstream has a neat little plaque on it (pretty sure it is 1963 original) by the door that says "This international airstream land yacht specially designed for Ed and Elizabeth Hoff." There is also a faded area on the front where they must have had a decal of some kind that said "Hoffs '63" along with some other text I can't make out! Just curious if anyone knows anything about my trailer, the Hoffs, or other owners! Thank you
The only thing I can add to dwightdi's reply is that I have a listing in my 1968 and my 1970 directory for Ed Hoff (no Elizabeth) of Seattle WA.There is one caravan listed, #36-Mexico in 1963.
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:20 AM   #486
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The only thing I can add to dwightdi's reply is that I have a listing in my 1968 and my 1970 directory for Ed Hoff (no Elizabeth) of Seattle WA.There is one caravan listed, #36-Mexico in 1963.
Thanks streamer23! That is really great to know and fun to think of my trailer in Mexico
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The only thing I can add to dwightdi's reply is that I have a listing in my 1968 and my 1970 directory for Ed Hoff (no Elizabeth) of Seattle WA.There is one caravan listed, #36-Mexico in 1963.
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Thanks streamer23! That is really great to know and fun to think of my trailer in Mexico
9082 was first assigned in 1963 and first appears in the 1964 Membership Directory (membership as of 12/31/1963), at which time it is attributed to "Hoff" with no other details provided (likely because they joined or renewed late in the year). I am missing the 1965 Directory, but in the 1966 Directory, only Ed Hoff is listed and caravan 36 is mentioned.
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Old 02-10-2013, 11:12 PM   #488
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New here! I have a 1964 safari twin with stickers inside the cabinets from all over the United States, the ghost numbers appear to be 11636. If anyone has information on this I would really appreciate it.
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11636 was first assigned in 1964, which is appropriate for a 1964 Safari, and would first appear in the 1965 Directory (membership as of 12/31/1964), but I do not have a 1965 WBCCI Membership Directory. In the 1966 Directory, 11636 is assigned to Loeb and Lottie Duncan of Gainesville, FL, no caravans.

I have no 1967 Directory, but in the 1968 Directory, 11636 is assigned to C.F. and Ruby Shank of Toledo, OH, no caravans. The Shanks are last listed in the 1978 Directory, in Clinton, OH, no caravans.

11636 is then unassigned from 1979 thru 1983 before being assigned to a Robert and Ruby Sutton of Odessa, TX in 1984. The Suttons are last listed in the 1995 Directory, still in Odessa, no caravans. Based upon spot checks, it seems that 11636 has not been assigned since 1995, although I did not do a comprehensive search.

There is no way for me to confirm which couple(s) may have owned your Safari, but because it is a 1964 model it seems most likely that the Duncans owned it and the later couples did not.
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We bought our '71 Tradewind three years ago from someone who didn't camp much, so I don't expect there is any recent history on the number. In renovating, we did find some ancient travelers checks but the name was illegible.

Any information that sheds some light on the early years of our trailer would be greatly appreciated.
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9082 was first assigned in 1963 and first appears in the 1964 Membership Directory (membership as of 12/31/1963), at which time it is attributed to "Hoff" with no other details provided (likely because they joined or renewed late in the year). I am missing the 1965 Directory, but in the 1966 Directory, only Ed Hoff is listed and caravan 36 is mentioned.
Thanks Joe! I appreciate you looking into that for me! It is so fun to keep adding on to our trailer's history.
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