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08-28-2019, 08:33 PM
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Moderator
2004 30' Classic Slideout
Fenton
, Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 10,408
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Funny in that when going to the wbcci.org link you scroll down to a picture with about 10 or so Airstreams in it. Only 5 display numbers. That's radical. The old guard would have never approved that picture on their home page!
When I used to belong, I did not put my numbers on the trailer. I was attending a 2001 regional rally where the one meetings was for the various chapter officers. I was standing outside the door of the meeting room and the guy who was leading the meeting was speaking noting that being a "baldy" (not displaying your numbers on the trailer) was disrespectful of the organization. Later on while sitting by my trailer I was approached by a number of ladies from a neighboring chapter in a different state who informed me that next time I come to a regional rally, they expected me to have my numbers on my trailer. At that point my uneasiness with the organization began.
Obviously the attitudes have been changing.....
Jack
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Jack Canavera
STL Mo.
AIR #56 S/OS#15
'04 Classic 30' S.O.,'03 GMC Savana 2500
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08-28-2019, 10:05 PM
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#22
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Moderator
2015 25' FB Flying Cloud
2012 23' FB Flying Cloud
2005 25' Safari
Santa Rosa Beach
, Florida
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 13,159
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I wonder if the new AIC round seal is going to be the one we will use above the Big Red Numbers.
Brian
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SuEllyn & Brian McCabe
WBCCI #3628 -- AIR #14872 -- TAC #FL-7
2015 FC 25' FB (Lucy) with ProPride
2020 Silverado 2500 (Vivian)
2023 Rivian R1T (Opal)
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08-29-2019, 03:23 AM
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#23
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Stay Calm and Stream On
2017 25' Flying Cloud
Palm Springs
, California
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 313
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Its human nature to mostly equate change with loss.
On the other hand, “If it’s not broke...”
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08-29-2019, 05:08 AM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
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Wally just got to "OLD" and timed out...sad.
Bob
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08-29-2019, 05:58 AM
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#25
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Rivet Master
2019 30' Classic
Canfield
, Ohio
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 2,559
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Quote:
Originally Posted by uncle_bob
Hi
Like it or not, we live in an internet focused age. As time has gone by, the internet presence of a lot of outfits (not just WBCCI). You either keep up or you start to look very dated. New prospective members / customers (of any age ) come along and judge you by your web presence. That may or may not be fair. It is the way it works.
Both at the national and at the unit level, they have needed a "refresh" for a while now.
Bob
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Agreed and I love the logo. We just joined again several weeks ago and we love the new refreshed "style" of the website.
Remember Wally said, "New is not bad. I have new trailers waiting for purchase!!" (He really didn't say that. )
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Tom & Doty
2019 Airstream Classic 30 Twin
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08-29-2019, 01:31 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1978 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre
Hillbilly Hollywood (Nashville)
, Tennessee
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 371
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When the average age of your club members gets to be about 90 years old it's time for change!
The National Street Rod Association (NSRA) for years was 1948 and older for vehicles to participate at their Rod Runs. Back in 2010 when they changed to a rolling 30 year rule for vehicle age all you heard from the "Old Time" members was they were either complaining to beat the band or quitting the association for good altogether. 2 years later those same complainers were at the Nationals driving their 1969 Camaro instead of the 1948 and older Street Rod. Same thing with the Good-Guys car group when they changed from 1973 and older at most shows to 1987 and older. Both of these organizations are FAR LARGER than the WBCCI and this what these organizations had to do to remain leaders in their respective areas of the hobby.
The WBCCI is no different. Nostalgia is great however it is not the future!
Besides nobody "Caravans" anymore with Wally having been gone for awhile. They "Camp" as been said repeatedly in posts above!
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Remember "Drive Fast, Turn Heads, Break Hearts"
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08-29-2019, 01:59 PM
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Rivet Master
1979 23' Safari
1954 29' Liner
Orange
, California
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 3,850
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If nobody caravans anymore, why are the caravans sold out a year or more in advance and why are they adding more?
Bill
I wish I had the time to go on a caravan.
Quote:
Originally Posted by vintageracer
When the average age of your club members gets to be about 90 years old it's time for change!
The National Street Rod Association (NSRA) for years was 1948 and older for vehicles to participate at their Rod Runs. Back in 2010 when they changed to a rolling 30 year rule for vehicle age all you heard from the "Old Time" members was they were either complaining to beat the band or quitting the association for good altogether. 2 years later those same complainers were at the Nationals driving their 1969 Camaro instead of the 1948 and older Street Rod. Same thing with the Good-Guys car group when they changed from 1973 and older at most shows to 1987 and older. Both of these organizations are FAR LARGER than the WBCCI and this what these organizations had to do to remain leaders in their respective areas of the hobby.
The WBCCI is no different. Nostalgia is great however it is not the future!
Besides nobody "Caravans" anymore with Wally having been gone for awhile. They "Camp" as been said repeatedly in posts above!
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Just my personal opinion
1973 Dodge W200 PowerWagon, 1977 Lincoln Continental, 2014 Dodge Durango
1979 23' Safari, and 1954 29' Double Door Liner Orange, CA
https://billbethsblog.blogspot.com/
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08-29-2019, 02:21 PM
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#28
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Rivet Master
2019 19' Flying Cloud
Canyon Country
, California
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 909
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I admit that having the numbers displayed on the AS is too ugly for me. I only accept License Plate, that's it. I do not want to ruin my AS with numbers. I have joined yet and if its required to display the numbers, it is not worth it.
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2014 Ford Explorer XLT with factory installed Tow Package.
2019 Flying Cloud 19CBB
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08-29-2019, 03:01 PM
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#29
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Rivet Master
1962 28' Ambassador
1961 19' Globetrotter
1962 26' Overlander
Mesa
, Arizona
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 5,996
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It would be interesting to know what the real average age of a member is as obviously it's not 90.
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08-29-2019, 03:51 PM
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Rivets?
1992 29' Excella
2010 22' Interstate
Van By The River
, Georgia
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,363
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vintageracer
...Besides nobody "Caravans" anymore with Wally having been gone for awhile. They "Camp" as been said repeatedly in posts above!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wkerfoot
If nobody caravans anymore, why are the caravans sold out a year or more in advance and why are they adding more?
Bill
I wish I had the time to go on a caravan.
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I agree with wkerfoot - many of the caravans are sold out well in advance and have waiting lists. There may be a few caravans that have fallen by the wayside but in general WBCCI caravans are very popular.
Many members have indicated they don't have time for a 20 - 30 day (or longer) caravan. The club has taken that issue seriously and is now offering shorter, 1 - 2 week, caravans. Even that's too long for many members who are still working so the club is going even further and some local units (clubs) are creating very short caravans.
The new web site will allow the information on shorter caravans as well as a variety of camping trips to be much more accessible to all members.
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Lucius and Danielle
1992 29' Excella Classic / 2010 Interstate
2005 Chevrolet Suburban K2500 8.1L
2018 GMC Sierra K1500 SLT, 6.2L, Max Trailering
Got a cooped-up feeling, gotta get out of town, got those Airstream campin' blues...
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08-29-2019, 04:17 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1978 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre
Hillbilly Hollywood (Nashville)
, Tennessee
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 371
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wkerfoot
If nobody caravans anymore, why are the caravans sold out a year or more in advance and why are they adding more?
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Going and camping in a field of Airstream's as was recently done at the Airstream "National" meet or at the Jackson Center event earlier this year is NOT a Caravan. It's Camping!
When Wally ran things you had Caravan's like the 1959 trip from Johannesburg SA to Cairo Egypt.
Now that was a Caravan!
Part 1:
Part 2:
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Remember "Drive Fast, Turn Heads, Break Hearts"
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08-29-2019, 07:00 PM
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#32
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Rivets?
1992 29' Excella
2010 22' Interstate
Van By The River
, Georgia
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,363
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vintageracer
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When Wally ran things you had Caravan's like the 1959 trip from Johannesburg SA to Cairo Egypt.
Now that was a Caravan!
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Yes, when Wally was around he sponsored quite the caravan! He was a promoter to say the least. I think my mother and father purchased their first Airstream in 1958 in part due to the caravans promoted by Wally Byam. My mother and father visited all 48 contiguous states and all the lower provinces of Canada due in large part to WBCCI caravans that were held in the 70's, 80's and 90's. Many of those same caravans still occur today.
Many of us camp - we go one or two places on a given trip and stay for a few days or a week at a time.
Some of us are travelers (100's of nights a year or more or even full-time travel) - camping along the way, visiting friends and family, sightseeing.
Caravanning - whether it's for 3 or 4 days or 3 or 4 weeks is a different experience than either of the previous scenarios. We were on a small, 10 day, informal caravan promoted by our unit and it was extremely enjoyable. Large numbers of people and rigs on a caravan is probably not my "cup of tea" but a small, informal setting worked well for us. For others, designated stops with entertainment and food are just the ticket. Whether is Cajun, Viking, Ores to Shores, See It Made In The USA, they all have their place and are alive and well within the WBCCI.
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Lucius and Danielle
1992 29' Excella Classic / 2010 Interstate
2005 Chevrolet Suburban K2500 8.1L
2018 GMC Sierra K1500 SLT, 6.2L, Max Trailering
Got a cooped-up feeling, gotta get out of town, got those Airstream campin' blues...
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08-29-2019, 07:35 PM
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#33
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Rivet Master
2010 25' FB Flying Cloud
Davenport
, Iowa
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,148
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Is the camping the deference between a caravan and a convoy?
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08-29-2019, 10:28 PM
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#34
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Moderator
2015 25' FB Flying Cloud
2012 23' FB Flying Cloud
2005 25' Safari
Santa Rosa Beach
, Florida
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 13,159
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Halford1
I admit that having the numbers displayed on the AS is too ugly for me. I only accept License Plate, that's it. I do not want to ruin my AS with numbers. I have joined yet and if its required to display the numbers, it is not worth it.
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I'm afraid that I must voice my disagrrement with you. To me, the Big Red Numbers enhance the visual appeal of an Airstream. Of Course, do what feels right. Without the Big Red Numbers, it's just some other travel trailer.
Brian
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SuEllyn & Brian McCabe
WBCCI #3628 -- AIR #14872 -- TAC #FL-7
2015 FC 25' FB (Lucy) with ProPride
2020 Silverado 2500 (Vivian)
2023 Rivian R1T (Opal)
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08-30-2019, 04:18 AM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Mantua
, Ohio
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 7,062
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Difference beyween a rally and a caravan. Look it up.
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08-30-2019, 06:36 AM
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Rivet Master
1970 23' Safari
2005 30' Classic
1986 31' Sovereign
Lorain
, Ohio
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,645
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Quote:
Originally Posted by moosetags
I'm afraid that I must voice my disagrrement with you. To me, the Big Red Numbers enhance the visual appeal of an Airstream. Of Course, do what feels right. Without the Big Red Numbers, it's just some other travel trailer.
Brian
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Really?
So my Airstream is just A SOB to you? I guess a substantial percentage of WBCCI members disagree with you.
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08-30-2019, 06:39 AM
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Rivet Master
1970 23' Safari
2005 30' Classic
1986 31' Sovereign
Lorain
, Ohio
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,645
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Airtandem
Is the camping the deference between a caravan and a convoy?
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A "convoy" is a continuous line of similar vehicles. Airstream Caravans rally are not supposed to travel like this. It is more considerate to break up the line of trailers so as not to impede traffic.
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08-30-2019, 08:15 AM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vintageracer
When the average age of your club members gets to be about 90 years old it's time for change!
The National Street Rod Association (NSRA) for years was 1948 and older for vehicles to participate at their Rod Runs. Back in 2010 when they changed to a rolling 30 year rule for vehicle age all you heard from the "Old Time" members was they were either complaining to beat the band or quitting the association for good altogether. 2 years later those same complainers were at the Nationals driving their 1969 Camaro instead of the 1948 and older Street Rod. Same thing with the Good-Guys car group when they changed from 1973 and older at most shows to 1987 and older. Both of these organizations are FAR LARGER than the WBCCI and this what these organizations had to do to remain leaders in their respective areas of the hobby.
The WBCCI is no different. Nostalgia is great however it is not the future!
Besides nobody "Caravans" anymore with Wally having been gone for awhile. They "Camp" as been said repeatedly in posts above!
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We go HAMB...😂
Bob
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08-30-2019, 08:19 AM
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#39
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Moderator
2015 25' FB Flying Cloud
2012 23' FB Flying Cloud
2005 25' Safari
Santa Rosa Beach
, Florida
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 13,159
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DanB
Really?
So my Airstream is just A SOB to you? I guess a substantial percentage of WBCCI members disagree with you.
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I guess that my opinion is as good as yours or anyone else's.
Brian
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SuEllyn & Brian McCabe
WBCCI #3628 -- AIR #14872 -- TAC #FL-7
2015 FC 25' FB (Lucy) with ProPride
2020 Silverado 2500 (Vivian)
2023 Rivian R1T (Opal)
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08-30-2019, 12:10 PM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Mantua
, Ohio
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 7,062
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Probably better because of your experience.
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