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Old 12-16-2009, 05:36 PM   #29
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The International Rally is the albatross around the neck of the organization. If significant changes were made there, the financial bleeding would stop. Now that only fixes one aspect of the problem. You still have to attract and retain new membership.

I lasted 4 years as a member with my last attempt to try to come up with an activity format that followed old school one month followed by the next month being an informal style of event like the we do for Airforums. On the one informal rally only 6 units showed up and when I combined the annual forum Moraine View rally in June as an event for our local unit, not counting myself only one local trailer showed up. Later I found out that many of the local unit members had planned during an earlier Regional rally, to boycott the new style events. Once I confirmed that, I informed local leadership that I was walking at the end of the year. The president tried to persuade me to stay saying it was folks like me who could change the organization. I declined and have had no regrets. Based on what I see, I doubt the local unit here will survive over the long run, much less the International's woes.

It came down to the folks in my unit didn't want change. Even though at the point that I left, every new member that had joined in the four years I was there eventually left. You would think they would see that as an indication of not meeting the new members needs. I sometimes think that these folks in leadership are either so set in their ways that any change is not acceptable, or like in my situation when you attempt change, you find yourself as the agent of change, outside looking in. No one wants to be put in that position. Obviously I was put into a situation of accept the way it is and conform, or stay and pay for something that I didn't enjoy.

While Andy espoused holding back a portion of dues, I'd rather take a tough love stance. If the International situation bothers you that much, then it's time to move on. The deck is stacked on existing leadership and the future holders of those positions. Maybe it's time to stop fighting the fight playing by the rules at hand. By leaving the organization, you will actually hasten the oncoming of change. While existing International leadership might applaud the departure of those thorns, the long term effect of the loss of income will force the change that those thorns are advocating.

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Old 12-16-2009, 05:45 PM   #30
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Interesting.......

at least to me that you can spend the entire winter at Quartzite for less than a week at Gillette. Why is a week long business meeting needed for a camping club anyway? Did I miss something here?
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Old 12-16-2009, 05:59 PM   #31
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If things continue as it appears it will continue, when it is time for me to renew, I will send my $75 to Andy and send a note to the WBCCI leadership explaining why I am not renewing. I get so much more from this forum than I have from the WBCCI.
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It is good that the current budget report was published for all to see. It should wakeup the membership that group action is needed now. Those running the show might hope most silent members will continue to be as ignorant, accepting and complaisant today as many of us were when we first joined. Silence will not alter the situation nor benefit the club.

No one should be hindered for resisting a 36% increase just because others will be held in contempt for past errors. Rather, those practicing and enforcing contemptible policies and poor management should be hindered. These old issues have finally developed into major problems.

Members have proposed many beneficial changes for the good for the organization, and gotten nowhere. You have to wonder if WBCCI administrators who for years have opposed necessary reforms will vote in January to raise dues.

Declining membership is the lagging indicator of an organization’s health.
Raise the dues in 2010, then count me out in 2011.
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Old 12-16-2009, 07:12 PM   #33
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Looking over the budget the only thing I didn't get was the 'Church Offerings' under income. Why is that income? Doesn't that get passed along to a real church?
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Looking over the budget the only thing I didn't get was the 'Church Offerings' under income. Why is that income? Doesn't that get passed along to a real church?
Stef,

You will see that the same amount shows up as an expense item. They are flowing the amount through the income statement.

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Looking over the budget the (only) thing I didn't get was the ..........
$35 for youth programing. A $35 gesture is in my opinion, an obscene one.


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I would like to see the actual organization budget. As I see it, the real thing that WBCCI provides is insurance, what part of the budget is that?
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Old 12-16-2009, 07:37 PM   #36
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Although I too have concern for the financial health of the WBCCI, let's not throw the baby out with the bath water.
Don't forget that Wally Byam made Airstream into an icon not because it was just a better travel trailer (that is even debatable), but because he brought more sophisticated travelers into the RV market by offering travel and adventure. He sold a lifestyle.

That lifestyle is the WBCCI. Without Rallies and the comradery that is abundant among Airstreamers, Airstream would probably have gone the way of the 300 other defunct trailer manufacturers that were Wally's competition in the 1940's. Without the many local Airstream events and rallies, Airstream would become just another SOB

I grew up caravanning with my parents in the 50's & 60's. I came back to Airstream because of the fellowship and travel adventure that I remembered as a child. If I just wanted to camp, I would have bought a white box and parked it at a campground for the season.

Let's be constructive and help fix the WBCCI. The leaders do need to evaluate our current situation and adapt. The days of spending a certain amount of money, just because last year's President did, are over. Let's focus on what the average Airstreamer wants. I think they want opportunities to meet other people who enjoy travel. The days of parades and opening ceremonies may be over. People want to do things they can't do on their own. Otherwise, why would you join a group. Why not focus on special events as the focal point of the International rally.

I sure hope that the loyal Airstream zealots on this forum will band together and fix (or improve) WBCCI, not abandon it.

I am personally concerned that the term camping is creeping into the Airstream jargon. I don't remember hearing that term used when Wally was promoting Airstream and the WBCC. My parents bought an Airstream because they bought the lure of travel to exotic places that Wally was so good at selling. In my opinion Wally never saw an Airstream as a camper, but rather as a vehicle to take people to places they had never been. Unfortunately, camping has evolved into going to the same campground weekend after weekend, year after year. My parents rarely went to the same place even twice. It was always about what is over the next hill, or around the next bend. It was about seeing as much of this world as possible.

That is my memory and it is now my dream.

I would love to hear Pee Wee's take on this. No one knew Wally, or the WBCC that his Mother nurtured, better.
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Old 12-16-2009, 07:51 PM   #37
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Is there really any fiduciary responsibilty tied to the IBT, that has any true meaning?
In some states members of a nonprofit may sue the directors in the name of the organization for not acting according to the directors' fiduciary responsibilities. This is like a shareholders' derivative suit against a for profit corporation. If one or more members want to do this, the appropriate jurisdiction to file such a suit in would probably be where the WBCCI is incorporated or where it's principal office is located. But this depends on specific state laws. This is a relatively new part of the law and I don't know how successful any such suits have been.

Such a suit would possibly result in the plaintiff(s) being expelled from the organization and then they would claim since you were no longer a member, you had no claim; your answer would be your claim occurred before the expulsion.

I just glanced at the many changes in the grievance procedure. I noticed the investigation was secret and it could be read that you couldn't disclose anything to a lawyer; that would probably fail in court, but just another complication. The bigger question is why all these changes? What is the motive?

A $20 increase means that at a certain number they come out even. I don't know the amount of members now, but if they have 5,000 at $55, they have membership income of $275,000. If they raise dues to $75, to earn $275,000, they need 3,667 members. If they are figuring to keep all their members, they would raise $100,000 more, but that is unlikely because they are losing members every year and a dues increase always causes a drop in membership. Someone can plug in the correct numbers to get more accurate break even point. A 36% raise is even more than my wife's health insurance is going up.

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Old 12-16-2009, 08:16 PM   #38
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Hi All, I'm kind of new. My wife and I have owned our trailer (1971 sovereign) since 4/08. We love are trailer, we love camping and I love fixing it up. I have worked on old things all my life and restoring something that will last is a great feeling. If my first pickup had been Aluminum, I would probable still own it. We have been to Air Forum Rallies and had a great time. We joined the WBCCI in 08 and joined a Unit last April. We attended almost all of the rallies this year, had a great time and met some nice people. I like all the folks that I have met and don't want to hurt anyones feelings....but I am having problems with reading everybody complaining over and over is getting to be to much and someone need to speak the truth. My wife and I are 48, most of the WBCCI are much older. I looked at the photo albums from the past at a rally this year and in the past, they had a great time. The events were family oriented. Games, cookouts, picnics. The average age was much younger. It looked like they used to have a blast! Lets be honest.....old people don't eat breakfast (well maybe toast or a muffin), they don't drink much (anymore), and they go to bed early. That what happens, you slow down when you get older.

My wife and I have two kids in college. Going on a Caravan is not something we can do right now, but when I read about Caravans in the past, across Europe or Africa, wow what an adventure.....That is something I would like to do some day. When I read about the Caravans that happen every year in the Blue Beret, it gives me something to dream about. I want to do that some day! I want to caravan to Alaska or across Canada or to New Foundland. To go across the south and see things and go to places I have never seen. To see those places on a slow pace would be awesome. To stay off the interstates, to drive the state routes, see the country and met the people. To have someone who has been there before share their experience, so I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel.

I think the part you all (the complainers) are missing is....If you all wait for the old timers you keep complaining about to go away, the opportunity to do the Caravans will go away too. To be frank; If you are in your 40's or 50's, a problem that is 30 or 40 years older than you, won't be a problem for much longer. So don't throw the baby out with the bath water!

If you go to a Rally and your the youngest person their... go to another till someone else who is not a member of AARP shows up. My wife and I camp a lot, it is so cool to show up at a rally and not be the only shiny trailer in the campground. To meet another person who loves their old trailer as much as you do. To help each other with questions about repairs or restorations. That happens at Air Forum Rallys and when those same people show up at a WBCCI Rally it happen there too. We should not let the history of the WBCCI get away. Hang out, have fun and wait.

I don't understand the National Election Process, it is Un-American to have an election were only one person and one point of view runs. I feel having two people run and publishing their qualifications and their vision for the club would go a long way to making things better. The election process should change. It is something to work for, but we should not let a great thing die. Hang out, have fun and wait.
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Old 12-16-2009, 08:21 PM   #39
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I received a very heated email after posting this.

So yes the ANICIENTS are reading this thread.

Two choices Start a new club, not so quick or simple.

Second - start a legal defense fund and litigate these issues.


I spoke to an attorney he said a good firm can be found for a starting a law suit for about a retainer of $10K, with the fees expected to reach $50K over 18 months or so.

The fiscal responsibility claim would be enough to get some one appointed to overlook the spending pending the litigation.

A fund could be set up on line quickly thru Paypal.

With the number of WBCCI members and Air Forum members it would be well within reach to get a war chest.
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If, a big if

If it does go to $75, there is only one way I will remain a member. That is, only if the extra $20 goes to the local unit! Anything other than that, and I'm out of the club I love so dear - not an idle threat.. just a fact. So, we'll see come Winter IBT where the balls lands.
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I move that the 2010 International Rally be canceled.

Rationale: The International Rally Fund was set up as a contingency fund (separate from the General Fund) should an unpreventable event occur.
The Rally Fund is now at $242,500.00.

$103,280.00 due primarily to the gross mismanagement of our club, (not higher gas prices or a declining economy) now has to come out of the club's nest egg leaving only $139,220.00.
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Not so quick or simple???

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I received a very heated email after posting this.

So yes the ANICIENTS are reading this thread.

Two choices Start a new club, not so quick or simple.

Second - start a legal defense fund and litigate these issues.


I spoke to an attorney he said a good firm can be found for a starting a law suit for about a retainer of $10K, with the fees expected to reach $50K over 18 months or so.

The fiscal responsibility claim would be enough to get some one appointed to overlook the spending pending the litigation.

A fund could be set up on line quickly thru Paypal.

With the number of WBCCI members and Air Forum members it would be well within reach to get a war chest.
Starting a new club is not hard to do. And it is not expensive.

It can be done for the fee charged by the state to incorporate a non profit mutual benefit domestic organization, the rental fee for a post box for the organization, and, when the time comes, the postage to send the annual tax forms to the state and the feds. Depending on the state, probably fewer than $500.

As for the documents necessary to file for incorporation about 15 pages are needed for a decent set of bylaws; unlike the incredible 79 pages that the WBCCI has.

This is a far cry from $10,000 to $50,000 for a "start a legal defense fund and litigate these issues" which will probably take, at a minimum months, if not years, to reach resolution.

Seems like building a new organization that does what you want is a much easier and less expensive path to follow.

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