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Old 12-08-2006, 04:39 PM   #1
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Perks for WBCCI Officers

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Old 12-08-2006, 04:49 PM   #2
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Want to know more? Have an opinion?

Go to the Member Suggestion Box in the Forums at WBCCI.org.

Been there, done that, wrote the book.....most suggestions filed in the circular file.

Forum posts too.

= another lost member.
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Old 12-08-2006, 05:21 PM   #3
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Thanks for the chance to spout off. I doubt that many will bother to post, but for what it is worth, here is my reply:

I am one who believes that special parking and seating at International stinks. For that reason, among others, I don't expect to attend another International rally (have been to three). I am also a 40 year+ member of the Sports Car Club of America and have served on most of the committees as well as serving as region treasurer and president. I organized probably a hundred or so competitive events over the years (Races, rallies, solos etc.). I never got any perks that the plain old peon worker didn't get. Always paid my own hotel/motel at events, like everybody else. My organizing expenses, like gas for course layout of rallies and printing were reimbursed. When I had to attend an out of town committee meeting, a portion of my travel and living expenses were paid.

As I often told new members who complained about the cost of dues "If all you get from the club is the magazine, you are wasting your money. If you get active, the dues are just a drop in the bucket."

Even when I was a speaker at our national convention, I sat with everyone else. Only when a special meeting was being held, where the BOD or Committee was being asked questions, did we have special seating, up at the front of the room, facing the audience without any shielding.


Basically, all we got for being officials was the satisfaction of helping our fellow members.


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Old 12-08-2006, 05:59 PM   #4
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Jimmickle, your viewpoint is really interesting. Thanks for posting.

Since we are all volunteers in WBCCI at some level, and usually the amount of time and volunteerism relates to the amount we get back from the club. The longer you are in the club and more you have volunteered, the more you have gotten in return through your experiences and friendships with other members. Any public, in-your-face kind of perks for officers seems a bit offensive to those who have volunteered as much and for as long a time, but at a lower rank. Maybe this is one of those things that some members think is militaristic about the club, and that we need to say goodbye to.

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Old 12-08-2006, 07:10 PM   #5
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Perks

Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus - Cite This SourceMain Entry: perkPart of Speech: nounDefinition: benefitSynonyms: advantage, bonus, dividend, extra, fringe benefit, gratuity, lagniappe, largess, palm oil, perquisite, plus, tipSource: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.3.1)

I wouldn't think anyone would have a problem with reasonable accomodation for those serving the organization and returning value to the member. Reimburseing travel, etc. is a common practice in all kinds of organizations (private, commerical, for profit, and non-profit. Heck, even the government does it. But, they do have published guidelines and accountability mechanisms. In an organization like WBCCI, the challenge is that all members have/perceive they have the abilty to benefit/partake of these offered perks too!

What I get a sense in reading all those posts is that a significant (or at least a very vocal) portion of the organization feel like they are NOT being well served. I think ENRON and other scandals have reduced the average person's tolerance of grandiouse displays of privilege to those supposedly "representing" them. As welll, I think current political events have reduced our willingess to let others speak for us.

Leaders lead. That is what they do. However, they are only leaders IF they can get others to follow. If the vision, or its execution, are not compelling people will vote with their feet.

And, WBCCI is NOT the only show in town. Even if it were, people can (and have!) created alternatives that better meet their needs, wants, and expectations. The Club exists for the people. Not the other way around IMHO.

Can't remember who said it but I sometimes think of the,"I don't want to be part of any organization that would have ME as a member!"

I mean, there but by the grace of God....(or the votes of the members)...

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Old 12-08-2006, 09:06 PM   #6
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Any public, in-your-face kind of perks for officers seems a bit offensive to those who have volunteered as much and for as long a time, but at a lower rank. Quote

J --You don't have to be a long time volunteer to be offended by this flaunting of position. We experienced this at our first Rally when not only did they have there most desireable parking spaces , they also had front row reserved seating at all the entertainment. ---pieman
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Old 12-08-2006, 10:22 PM   #7
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I tried to post there, but the Reply To Topic just loops back to the compose box... so I'll put it here.

That's definitely a "them vs us little people" concept. It's a "tradition" from the days of segregation, not only of races, but social classes as well. What many today consider the dark ages are often still "the good old days" to the privileged class, and that's what we're talking here--privileges.

In another large organization we belong to, with similar age demographic, everyone wears the same black uniform, if they choose to do so. Rank insignia at the local unit, regional, and national level is distinguishable, but discrete. A merit is earned for a year of good service (not just for a year of membership, and must be substantiated) as recognition for work. This merit is worn modestly as a small black patch sewn on the black jacket sleeve. It's independent of rank or organizational level, recognizing the work done at the unit level is every bit as important as that at the national level. Why should only the work of WBCCI "leadership" be recognized?

This other organization goes out of its way to seat national, regional, and local unit officers amongst the membership at events such as conference dinners, entertainment, etc. The "senior" members in each small group make a visible effort to engage everyone in it, and listen with interest. It's a responsibility of that position, keeps the leadership tuned into the members and fosters one "us" feeling, instead of "us vs them." So would intentionally distributing WBCCI regional and national officers' seating at entertainent and parking amongst all rally attendees.

That's what I think, anyway...
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The reimbursement and PAY that WBCCI officers get has just been posted on the WBCCI forums,

http://www.wbcci.org/Forum/viewmessa...m=14&Topic=251

I expect that you will be shocked by what we PAY our volunteer officers. I know I was.
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Old 12-09-2006, 10:22 AM   #9
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The reimbursement and PAY that WBCCI officers get has just been posted on the WBCCI forums,

WBCCI Forum -

I expect that you will be shocked by what we PAY our volunteer officers. I know I was.

Very interesting to see the numbers in black and white,so to speak.Thanks for posting.
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Old 12-09-2006, 10:38 AM   #10
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It isn't unusual in large organizations for officers to have a budget, primarily for travel, that includes or is in addition to, mileage. In some cases, the "President" would be expected to travel much more annually, speaking at regional or even local meetings, than other officers. This ISN'T "pay" and ISN'T given in one lump sum. Reimbursement from that budget should require submission of receipts, and that documentation should be available to the general membership, upon request. I hope that's the case with WBCCI. Does anyone here know the actual procedures?
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Old 12-10-2006, 02:04 PM   #11
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It is my understanding that no WBCCI Officers are paid. The budget amounts listed in the Blue Book are funds allowed for reimbursement for the whole year which includes conducting Unit officer installations, visiting rallies, conducting business, etc.

I'm researching this and will post more when I get more facts.
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In response to other posts on this thread, WBCCI President Don Shafer and the WBCCI Blue Book, offer this clarification of the facts as they relate to monetary allocations to WBCCI officers.

No WBCCI officer is paid. Money is allocated but all expenses are justified with receipts and filed for as reimbursements. There is no per diem. There is no clothing allowance.

Any money not spent would roll over to the next year's budget. The .40 cents per mile comes out of the amounts listed in the Blue Book.

The money listed in the bylaws does not begin to cover the actual amounts officers spend out of their own pocket for maintenance and upkeep on their equipment and other requirements associated with meeting the demands of being a club officer. All of the officers go into their own pocket to pay expenses.

Depreciation, fuel at today’s prices, and up keep costs certainly are not covered by the recently raised rate of .40 cents, (this raise from .30 to .40 is at this time approved only for this fiscal year to cover the jump in fuel costs).

Members of the IBT (Region Presidents and Executive Committee members) are reimbursed to attend the Mid-Winter IBT meeting. They are not reimbursed to attend the International Rally or the IBT meetings that occur there.

Serving as a Region and International officer is both a major time commitment as well as a financial obligation.

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I didn't realize that the national officers got anything more than rally registration fees.
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Below is a response from Jim Franklin, Immediate Past International WBCCI President:

12-10-2006 The amounts listed in the bylaws are correct. The .40 cents per mile you are mentioning
comes out of the amounts listed. Only an officer's travel expenses, rally fees and other expenses all come out of that amount. Any money not spent rolls over to the next year's budget. All expenses are justified with receipts. The money listed in the bylaws does
not begin to cover the actual amounts officers spend out of their own pocket for maintenance and
upkeep on their equipment and other requirements associated with meeting the demands of being
a club officer. I put 50,000 miles on a 2004 396 motorhome looking after the member's interests
and club business. Depreciation, fuel at $3.00 plus a gallon, upkeek costs certainly are not covered
by the recently raised rate of .40 cents. Two years ago, the rate was .20 cents. You gotta
love WBCCI to take on the responsibility and thats the reason we step up to be officers.

Thanks and Merry Christmas, Jim Franklin

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