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Old 01-10-2010, 09:04 AM   #15
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Old 01-10-2010, 09:19 AM   #16
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Tim, looks like a trend has been underway for a while.
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4,493 in 1976. 903 in 2009
Yea, what with that higher price tag I would be surprised if the International does anything but fall in attendance. I think for some Sunday fun here at work I will search out how many people attended International over the life of the club - would be an interesting trend to plot out....
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Old 01-10-2010, 09:43 AM   #17
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Yea, what with that higher price tag I would be surprised if the International does anything but fall in attendance. I think for some Sunday fun here at work I will search out how many people attended International over the life of the club - would be an interesting trend to plot out....

At least that info is still in the directory
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Attendance is the number in ( ) after the location
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Old 01-10-2010, 12:41 PM   #18
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OK - so I plotted the attendance of International rallies as published in the Membership Directory. The results are surprising but I did notice a few things.

The first is that there are ups and downs. downs seem to follow ups and visa versa. If the trend continues, there will be no attendees at an international by 2015 or later - certainly by 2020.
A huge fee increase for the international is sure to cause a downward spike in attendance. It may be followed next year with a small spike up in attendance as people who dont go this year opt to go next year. But all in all - this simple trend indicates that there has been a continual decline in attendance in International. I wish I could also tie that to the overall membership numbers to see how closely related this to the membership decline.
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Larson's Numbers

I don't know how to do graphs, but could you possibly plot the estimated 1515 to 2000 registrations and the break even number of 1200 registrations Mr. Larson expected for last year's International? That was the one where his contract negotiation skills ultimately cost the club $103,279.76.

As part of the Rationale for his "housekeeping" Mid-Winter motion to transfer funds to cover this obscene loss, Mr. Larson now tells us that high gas prices and the economy were largely to blame for not meeting his projections. Perhaps, then, for comparative purposes, you could also please plot on a graph somewhere the relative gas prices, inflation rate and general overall economic health of President Jimmy Carter's administration? Thank you.
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I've been trying to stay out of new threads which discuss what's wrong or point out flaws in the WBCCI; but Andrea was poking around on the Portal and checked out this thread. I was cleaning up after dinner as she was reading at the computer and exclaimed, "honey, you'll love this. Someone made a graph!" So I had to check it out. The graph prompted me to grab the Blue Book that we just received and see if the volatility in international attendance in the mid 70's was due to location. I wasn't surprised to see that the NM rally in 1979 was a spike down. You have the int'l in the on the southern border of the USA...how many do you expect to get? Not that I'm saying anything bad about Mexico, I love it there. But, last time I checked, there's no WBCCI units in MX. Surprisingly, an int'l in Canada had the second largest attendance ever. Again, I'm not saying anything bad about Canadians, but that's a northern extreme geographically. I'd expect the attendance to be lower...definitely not 2nd in history?!?

So I noticed that there's many "repeats" of int'l venue in the 70's and 80's. Notre Dame IN and Boseman, MT were true favorites...each used 4 times between 1973 and 1990. 8 out of 18 rallies held at 2 venues? That's 44%. Anyway, looking at the attendance numbers, all 8 times these were pretty successful venues. Each had over 3000 attendees. So it begs the question of how Bozeman, a proven good venue, only produces an attendance number of 871 in 2008?!? There's no question that the location is not an issue. So, if anyone can produce the data, Andrea and I would love to see the total WBCCI membership number plotted on the same chart as int'l attendance. Perhaps the trend of membership quantity follows that of int'l attendee quantity and there's always a percentage of the membership that goes to int'l. We couldn't find the number on the internet or in the Blue Book. Anyone been keeping track?
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I know there is a serious question there but I can't see it from laughing so hard.
I think a serious gamble was taken that 1100 rigs could have shown up based on the seemingly cyclical bounces the years prior had seen and the centralized location should have helped. But it didn't.
I don't exactly but the high cost of fuel because it was much higher for Bozeman.

As for comparing membership numbers with the attendance of International, I could not do that here from work. Kimber spent 15 minutes on the phone reading me the data and I just typed in what I could. I might play with that if nobody else does.
What is not deniable is that there has been a general trend down for years and years. it is just a simple fact - you apply your own meaning to it.
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As for comparing membership numbers with the attendance of International, I could not do that here from work. Kimber spent 15 minutes on the phone reading me the data and I just typed in what I could.
I want your job. Airforums is "blocked" with out internet access at work (probably a good thing for me) and I wish I had time to chart the data as dictated from Andrea for 15 min.
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Yeah, I know there's proxys and so forth and anonymizing programs. But, it's quite clear in our employee handbook that the usage of such things are grounds for dismissal. Not something I'm interested in at this point. I've got enough time at home to get through the Airforums. Like I said, it could be a bad thing for me. I'd spend not much time working and lots of time posting.
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I don't know how to do graphs, but could you possibly plot the estimated 1515 to 2000 registrations and the break even number of 1200 registrations Mr. Larson expected for last year's International? That was the one where his contract negotiation skills ultimately cost the club $103,279.76.

Here's a graph I kept until the "President's Letter" was unavailable.
You may have to double click the graph to enlargen it to make it readable.



Here is a better shot of just the graph.



Seems to me that projected participation numbers were obviously unattainable from the very start.

Military thinking - go figure. Makes one wonder where and how "fiscal responsibility" should fit into the "officers code".

Maybe this years "leadership" will follow through or "stand down".

Yes, the "rank and file" of the club IS interested in what the leadership proposes AND how it follows through.

Time for transparency and change is long past - maybe too late.
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Thank you Dennis!

It looks like more than 200 folks chose to not pay the extra $$$ for 30 amp at Madison.
(Hmm, how can we squeeze some money outta THESE folks?)
This year, however, members do not have that option. (Gotcha!)

Raising fees and raising dues seems to be the new preferred tactic to offset the self-inflicted collateral damage of lower member participation.
And, apparently, this collateral damage is deemed acceptable.

The message is finally becoming loud and clear.
Our leaders WANT a smaller club.
They want, "Quality over quantity!"

If that's truly the case, they should just go ahead and raise dues by $5,000/year and call themselves a country club.
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Thank you Dennis!

It looks like more than 200 folks chose to not pay the extra $$$ for 30 amp at Madison.
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It was more like 270 as the graph stops in may. A lot must have made the decision to attend after that.

If only half don't go to Gillette thats still losing a lot of trailers.
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...So it begs the question of how Bozeman, a proven good venue, only produces an attendance number of 871 in 2008?!? There's no question that the location is not an issue...
Well, Jason, like Tim said, the price of fuel was high in 2008; I was paying $4.97/gal for diesel. Our Sovereign stayed in its garage that year, given that our King Ranch gets about 11MPG towing.
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