New WBCCI Name Poll - Page 3

**Stefrobrts** · 12-18-2005, 01:01 PM

The reason I said members only was because I would like to get someone in the WBCCI to look at this poll and say, look at all those members and this is what they think. I'm afraid the thoughts of non-members wouldn't weigh as heavily with them. I understand, the non-members are the people we need to be talking to and saying 'why haven't you joined yet?', but in this instance I just want to know what the people who have already paid to join up and therefore have a vested interest in the club have to say.

I'd start a different poll for non members, but as we've noticed from the name cahnge discussion thread, the reasons people DON'T join are widely varied, and I think the name change is th least of it.

streamer23 · 12-18-2005, 02:04 PM

I will add my support for the NO side.Look at the discussion that has been taking place in this forum.WBCCI says it is interested in increasing membership and I would think that a name change may have the opposite effect on the club.It could just be a way to divide the club unnecessarily.There are more important issues with WBCCI that need to be looked at than changing the name.

Mike
WBCCI #32083

JStanley · 12-18-2005, 03:32 PM

‘If ain’t broke, don’t fix it.’
I Vote: No, WBCCI #8425

Develop a list of real and perceived dysfunctions,
propose workable solutions with alternatives,
present the change package to the principals.
Monitor the feedback and results, and report back on this Forum.
... Mgt. 101

SilverToy · 12-19-2005, 12:47 AM

well -

It looks to me as if 'the management' has spoken.... 72%!!!!!

Well, let the majority reign.....!!!!!!!!!!

Well I'll be.....

Shucks....

Let the results speak for themselves......

Love to all!

Axel

65GT · 12-19-2005, 05:35 AM

Only 27 unique posts (by members) and 40 votes total. I'm sure it would help Steph if the other 13 identified themselves and which way they voted if she's going to send the results to national. I thought there was a much higher number of WBCCI members here though -- no? If not, then there sure is a much higher number that participates in every WBCCI thread!

smily · 12-19-2005, 06:15 AM

All of the opinions of how the club is run is appreciated but the fact of the matter is this; the subject is the name is up for change.

Folks can rant and rave (Just as I have) that the club needs drastic change. I agree!

But, as for the name, I cant help but think that every one of you that have ever told someone that you belong to the WBCCI, had to add to the converstaion that the WBCCI is "The Airstream Club"! You cannot convince me that you never had to explain what the WBCCI is.
I do appreciate history and heritage (Remember, I live in the south and many of us down here have debated heritage and history), but it is evident, clear, and fact, that any one outside of the WBCCI does not recognize the name without having it explained to them.

I believe that there will still be some people that do not recognize the term "Airstream" (Yikes! Say it isnt true!) but I am certain that there are far many that recognize the name Airstream than there will ever be that recognize WBCCI or that Wally guy.

Let me close with this point, my grandparents owned an Airstream for over twenty five years and traveled from Mexico to Canada and from coast to coast. They were aware of an Airstream Club but did not know the name of it. When I asked if they had belonged to the WBCCI, they asked what that was. Now think about that, they are from Canton Ohio, owned Airstream for a long time, traveled very much. They did not know of the WBCCI but they did know that there was an Airstream club.

Smily

smily · 12-19-2005, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefrobrts

The reason I said members only was because I would like to get someone in the WBCCI to look at this poll and say, look at all those members and this is what they think.

Steph it is good to query this forum. But, the majority of the WBCCI does not participate in this forum, sad but true.
You will get a good sampling of this forum, WBCCI members and non- members).

Remember that the majority, as you are very aware, is typically the retired bunch who either are computer illiterate or are traveling and do not take the time to participate in cyber space. (I so envy that!)
I think you will get a decent sampling of WBCCI members who are Cyber savvy but it will be such a small sampling that I do not believe it conveys the thoughts of the majority of the WBCCI.

The issue was put up for a vote amongst the members at each local unit (now that is a sampling of the majority of the WBCCI) and it was voted to change the name.

If I am not mistaken, I suspect that your local unit voted on the issue. Respectfully, If you recall, what was the decision of your local unit?

Smily

**Stefrobrts** · 12-19-2005, 07:33 AM

Smily, I answered you in the discussion thread, so we can discuss it without cluttering up the poll thread.

http://www.airforums.com/forum...tml#post195331

markjoandall · 12-19-2005, 08:10 AM

Change, change change.

I love change

Mark

**jcanavera** · 12-19-2005, 08:30 AM

i voted yes. After doing a TV interview with WBCCI next to my name, the folks who watched it said, I thought you belonged to the Airstream club! Its time to move on.

Jack

**Chuck** · 12-19-2005, 01:15 PM

ditto what Shari and Ken said.

Nobody knows (except us) who Wally Byam is. I've never mentioned the club to a non-member (i.e. in answer to the question, "what are you doing this weekend, chuck?), without having to go into a long-winded explanation of "who the heck is wally byam?"...etc, etc. Everybody knows what an airstream is, although, they may not know that "yeah, they still make those".

Wally is gone. His caravans are gone. Most of what goes on in the club has nothing to do with "caravanning". The name doesn't reflect the club anymore. It hasnt' for a long time. Wally didn't start the club. Wally's caravans were not exclusive to the airstream brand of travel trailer. The club WAS about wally and caravans, originally. now its about Airstreams and airstreaming, most of which is not done in "caravan" form.

Changing the name will not change history. People who join the club will learn about Wally and the club's origins. The history will not be lost or forgotten. The name change is only a first step in a badly needed series of changes to the club to keep it in step with the times.

till · 12-19-2005, 05:18 PM

I cast mine, no, why must everything change? I see very few if any problems in my unit, I have not gone to a regional events yet but plan to in late '06 or '07 if I can get the trailer on the road. I would love to hit an International too.

sd90mac · 12-19-2005, 05:44 PM

I voted NO.

Cause I like the tradition!

Marie

GT1963 · 12-19-2005, 06:33 PM

Although I am not opposed to CHANGE for the right reasons - I do not think adding Airstream to the existing WBACCI would be all that bad - it would be prudent to help the marketing end of things.

But I totally agree that messing with tradition is serious business and should have a proper voting system in to determine the fate of the 50 year old namesake.

I really don't think Wally Byam's name has anything to do with the politics - but I do think the "Airstream Inc" maybe driving the rig here - there has to be some sort of monitary value to WBCCI - to work with the Manufacturer. This may or may not be a good thing.

Caravan - as many throughout these threads of late - have been referring to the word "Caravan" as the NorthAmerican meaning - but it may just have a dual meaning when formed back then. Wally being european and with the formation of the club initiating in Nova Scotia , Canada (okay so it was a little plug - we are good for something

) NS is also a very prominent European influencial society.

Coming from England myself - folks a "Caravan" IS a "Trailer"

But my biggest point to be made today - "If as much effort is made by all here on these two threads was made to your own units All year long and especially if ALL here took an interest in how the club presently runs - instead of complaining that we don't get what we want out of the club.

JUST MAYBE - we might have all caught this one before it got to this stage.

The only possible way this can be vetoed is for each Unit to present something of a vote under - other business. If there is some sort of majority vote from the floor it can squash any motion for by-law change - and a Club name would be a by-law change.

Also - it depends on what is written for the motion - just because the motion request a name change - there must then be a request to change the by-law - and this is where this mess CAN be stopped - if enough of you here across north america can get off this forum and write to your local unit presidents, contact your members - with some sort of petition - as well as contact your region.

I have started the ball in my Unit - and requested all the info on what our Unit was provided with and what and when or if we voted etc.

I also believe that member voting - can be done by Proxy - with most Non-Profit organizations - but not sure. But the membership should be able to request a proxi counted vote at any time on By-laws of the corporation.

Just food for thought.

I am not against anyone here - I joined WBCCI two years ago - and all this time I have been thinking about where the heck is the vintage following in our Unit - I have been able to attend 2 Rallies, & 2 Dinners - so I am at about 25% participation - if there were more things to do with Vintage I guarentee it would be close to 90% participation - but I pay my dues and it is time that people like Peter and I and many of you stand up and be heard by your Unit, Region and the International Board.