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Old 09-25-2006, 09:24 AM   #1
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Check out this thread, particularly post 139. Read reasons 3 and 4. All is not quiet on the Western front. This is the front line of what's wrong with WBCCI and an issue the "leadership" cann't conceptualize. That was apparent in the Blue Beannie article with a great title and no content. "It's their club, like it or leave it." If you give people an alternative they muster to stop that also. I think is very appropriate that they wear Red Coats.

We are drawn to camp with other Tin Hut's like those lost in the swamp are drawn to a light. Why not a new Tin Hut Club coexisting with WBCCI if they continue these power tactics. If the explanation had been "you need to show you are organized enough to manage the responsibilities of being a unit ect" that would have made sense. There is a "Brand" to maintain.

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Old 09-25-2006, 10:50 AM   #2
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Old 09-25-2006, 10:55 AM   #3
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Check post 139. Is this a threat? I enjoy fair winds and following seas while in my Land Yacht.
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Old 09-25-2006, 11:12 AM   #4
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It seems an awful lot of people aren't thinking about the implications of putting the cart ahead of the horse.

They comdemn organization yet demand communications and structure and other facets of organization.

Building a structure and then going after goals is the process of extreme advocacy groups. That is not WBCCI.

The tradition with WBCCI is to go camping - together. And then to build organization as needed to support the effort.

And going camping is considered to be getting out and using the Airstream. It is not sitting in front of a computer display and keyboard and ranting on forums.

And then we have the racism (e.g. "red coats") and the defensiveness (e.g. "power tactics") and the bigotry and hubris (e.g. "cann't conceptualize").

Right now you have the "been there, done that" crowd versus the "I know better" crowd. The "I know better crowd" are making a lot of noise on these forums and it appears that it is hindering their listening. That is a tragedy because it is destructive but it is also an opportunity for those who want to learn.

From the talk, you'd think WBCCI was preventing people from going camping in their Airstreams if they don't do it with WBCCI. I think this is false and a contemptible allegation. I think WBCCI is getting set up as a straw man for other discontents.

If you want to go camping in your Airstream, go ahead. WBCCI isn't going to stop you. If you want to go camping with friends in your Airstream, go ahead. WBCCI isn't going to stop you. If you want to form another RV association, go ahead. WBCCI isn't going to stop you. WBCCI has 'been there, done that' and learned from the experience.

But I think you need to do a bit of introspection to consider whether your actions are to spite someone else (e.g. WBCCI) or to do something constructive like enjoying your RV with friends. Its only if your goals are clear and consonant with your feelings and values that you are going to be able to communicate them and gain colleagues to join you.
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Old 09-25-2006, 12:18 PM   #5
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Racism?(Redcoats) It seems that was more a reference to breaking away from England, etc.
I don't understand the tendency by some to "play the race card". If your point of view is well thought out and well articulated, then you never have to resort to race. IMHO.
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Old 09-25-2006, 01:00 PM   #6
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Check out this thread, particularly post 139. Read reasons 3 and 4. All is not quiet on the Western front. This is the front line of what's wrong with WBCCI and an issue the "leadership" cann't conceptualize. That was apparent in the Blue Beannie article with a great title and no content. "It's their club, like it or leave it." If you give people an alternative they muster to stop that also. I think is very appropriate that they wear Red Coats.

We are drawn to camp with other Tin Hut's like those lost in the swamp are drawn to a light. Why not a new Tin Hut Club coexisting with WBCCI if they continue these power tactics. If the explanation had been "you need to show you are organized enough to manage the responsibilities of being a unit ect" that would have made sense. There is a "Brand" to maintain.

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After being exposed to some Region 1 politics this past weekend at our business rally I was ready to "Take my ball and go home". Seems change is hard for some folks, they feel threatened by those of us who are active change agents and they are trying to stop our progress. I'm over it now AND will become even more involved in the WBCCI - beyond the Unit level at some point but for now I'll continue my work as Membership Chairperson for the New England Unit.

Warning, I'm stepping up on my soapbox now:

If you are an Officer in a WBCCI Unit and some of your membership is transferring to another unit in your local area you need to look at why they are leaving. I'll be willing to bet it's because the other unit is offering a better over all member experience for them. International/Region/Unit Officers must remember all WBCCI members are free agents - we can belong to any unit we want to! Fact is I belong to the New England Unit even those I don't fall within it's "assigned area" (should be in WMNHU)- get over it. The NEU is the Unit that welcomed my husband and I, included us in activities and generally just feels right for us. My whole family are now members of the NEU; Mom and Dad from AZ, Sister and husband from ME and Leon and I from NH. And I tell everyone, no matter what Unit they are in how much fun we have in the NEU. If they decide after comparing the experiences they have had with their Unit against the experiences they have had with the NEU that they want to leave their current Unit and join the NEU that is their right. as a member of the WBCCI.

Stepping off soapbox - folks are safe again.
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Warning, I'm stepping up on my soapbox now: "Our Experience Changing Clubs"

Michelle & Leon: Yes you are definitely correct you can change clubs if you desire. When we did just that, we did not expect the response we received from some members of the old club. The experience of being at International, and having people totally ignore you, not once, but several times, when just several months before they would talk to you is a little disharting.

Yes, I will remain in the WBCCI, but my wife doesn't want anything to do with it now.

Yes, we do go camping in the Airstream without the WBCCI, we enjoy the Escapees, and have been to an Escapade. Yes we have a campground membership, and enjoy it.

This is our real life experience with the WBCCI.
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Old 09-25-2006, 03:30 PM   #9
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After being exposed to some Region 1 politics this past weekend at our business rally I was ready to "Take my ball and go home". Seems change is hard for some folks, they feel threatened by those of us who are active change agents and they are trying to stop our progress. I'm over it now AND will become even more involved in the WBCCI - beyond the Unit level at some point but for now I'll continue my work as Membership Chairperson for the New England Unit.

Warning, I'm stepping up on my soapbox now:

If you are an Officer in a WBCCI Unit and some of your membership is transferring to another unit in your local area you need to look at why they are leaving. I'll be willing to bet it's because the other unit is offering a better over all member experience for them. International/Region/Unit Officers must remember all WBCCI members are free agents - we can belong to any unit we want to! Fact is I belong to the New England Unit even those I don't fall within it's "assigned area" (should be in WMNHU)- get over it. The NEU is the Unit that welcomed my husband and I, included us in activities and generally just feels right for us. My whole family are now members of the NEU; Mom and Dad from AZ, Sister and husband from ME and Leon and I from NH. And I tell everyone, no matter what Unit they are in how much fun we have in the NEU. If they decide after comparing the experiences they have had with their Unit against the experiences they have had with the NEU that they want to leave their current Unit and join the NEU that is their right. as a member of the WBCCI.

Stepping off soapbox - folks are safe again.
I want you to know that this is why I salute you!!!!!!
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Old 09-25-2006, 04:19 PM   #10
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And I tell everyone, no matter what Unit they are in how much fun we have in the NEU. If they decide after comparing the experiences they have had with their Unit against the experiences they have had with the NEU that they want to leave their current Unit and join the NEU that is their right. as a member of the WBCCI.
well, you'd better stop that. didn't you hear? "competition is ~forbidden~"

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Old 09-25-2006, 06:13 PM   #11
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I know now why I am not joining the WBBCI, there is a power struggle going on between old membership and the new members.sounds like the old want certain players to be at meetings but don't want the whole to vote on anything by email..Just a few old members want to rule the roost..The forum here is free, no one pays dues,GREAT info is SPOKEN here..all you have to do is check on line where a great group of happy campers is going to meet!!
I greatly injoy all the threads that are posted here, some have been done over quite a few times,no one forces me to read them..So save your money and go camping .Sometimes it's hard to be a follower..
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After reading all this stuff I'm thinking of blowing off the Nor Cal rally; talk of racism, politics rules etc. matter of fact I think I'll stop posting all together, Then again maybe things are different out here on the left coast.
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Old 09-25-2006, 07:02 PM   #13
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that kind of talk is here, not at the NorCal rally, nor at the SNU rally.

So if you want to avoid those things, get off the forum and go camping with your local Unit.
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Old 09-25-2006, 07:31 PM   #14
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that kind of talk is here, not at the NorCal rally, nor at the SNU rally.

So if you want to avoid those things, get off the forum and go camping with your local Unit.
You sir are the one who used the term racism. Given that you have not attended our recent business meeting you would not get the humor in the phrase. I knew that those who wear the Red Coats and Blue Beannies consider themselves to be special, I did not know it goes so far that you consider yourselves to be different race. But it does explain alot.

The only reason I still belong to any WBCCI unit is because I went to a forum rally. I met people who were welcoming. I attended a New England Unit rally after that with these people and now belong to it. I shared my prior experiences with the Region One President up close and personal this very weekend. Other's shared their unpleasant experiences of other units.
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