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Old 10-06-2006, 11:16 AM   #29
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Old 10-06-2006, 11:17 AM   #30
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attracting and maintaining members is not rocket science. It's all about accepting folks, old and young. Folks with kids and without, folks with pets ... our rallies and events are all about fun, fellowship and adventure. They really are!
There are a bunch of these kinds of Units, too, I think.

But it is really amazing that what is not rocket science seems even so to be beyond the comprehension of so many. Acceptance and tolerance of others sometimes seems to be so difficult. But just look what you get when you figure it out!
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Old 10-06-2006, 12:01 PM   #31
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People with new ideas can only make a difference when people with old ideas in power allow them to. Possibly they are wrong and possibly you are wrong. We'll never know unless they are given a chance. Telling them to conform to your standards is not the answer. i.e My way or the highway.

Intrspection is a good idea if it means asking yourself am I wrong as opposed to why are they wrong.

P.S. your racism comment was offensive and instead of an excuse you should have offered an apology.
When Leipper isn’t complaining about ad hominem attacks, he is busy characterizing others in unflattering ways. I just reviewed his posts regarding our failed attempt to charter a new unit in Region 11. Here is a sample of what he had to say about us:

“People who want it only their way…”
“Fixated on politics, dissing others, and thinking bad thoughts…”
“Bitching about rules that don’t exist…
“Racism, defensiveness, and hubris…”
“Lambasting others…
‘Ill informed and overzealous

On the WBCCI Forum, he likened our effort to “growing weeds.”

Sadly, Leipper believes he is in step with the WBCCI leadership and representative of their ideals. More sadly, I think he may be more than a little right.

But, I’ll bet he is great fun to go camping with!
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Old 10-06-2006, 12:29 PM   #32
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Sadly, Leipper believes he is in step with the WBCCI leadership and representative of their ideals. More sadly, I think he may be more than a little right.

bad mistake. I am not in sync with the WBCCI 'powers that be' nor do I represent them in any way. The fact of the matter is that I have been working on them to change. But I believe in appropriate change within the system, with due respect for others, and by example. This is what I am calling the "five revolutions."

Taking quotations out of context is not really a good thing to do IMHO.

As far as the note I have made about ad hominen, I guess the best I can do is offer a thanks for further support of my observations. I think anyone who has an open mind and looks at the sources of your quotations will also find that they are soundly sourced observations of specific behaviors and not as you present them.
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Old 10-06-2006, 12:32 PM   #33
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When Leipper isn’t complaining about ad hominem attacks, he is busy characterizing others in unflattering ways. I just reviewed his posts regarding our failed attempt to charter a new unit in Region 11. Here is a sample of what he had to say about us:

“People who want it only their way…”
“Fixated on politics, dissing others, and thinking bad thoughts…”
“Bitching about rules that don’t exist…
“Racism, defensiveness, and hubris…”
“Lambasting others…
‘Ill informed and overzealous

On the WBCCI Forum, he likened our effort to “growing weeds.”

Sadly, Leipper believes he is in step with the WBCCI leadership and representative of their ideals. More sadly, I think he may be more than a little right.

But, I’ll bet he is great fun to go camping with!
Gee, I wonder why membership is down?
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Old 10-06-2006, 01:53 PM   #34
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Old 10-06-2006, 05:26 PM   #35
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Vintage Advantage...

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Ken -- sorry to say I just found your Vintage Advantage in an envelope in my briefcase! My apologies, I'll have it on it's way back to you in the a.m. priority mail. I thought this was gone the day after I scanned it (which was the day I received it). So sorry...

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Old 10-06-2006, 05:29 PM   #36
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Gee, I wonder why membership is down?
I am not too sure which direction this comment is posted but I think it quite pertinent.

The list culled from my posts covers a large number of observations about messages in these threads. My posts were intended to be feedback to folks who express themselves in a way we have seen some complain about in other venues (e.g. the I'rally).

The question is what we should do when we see people who set others in groups to attack or impugn them, who create rules and barriers that don't exist to blame the organization for their problems, who take after others instead of after issues (K's message is a good illustration of this one, I think), and who do the other things I noted.

The message I am getting is that of shoot the messenger. I wonder about this.

I think we all need to be alert for uncivil behavior, especially in ourselves.

I think we may all need help at times with inadvertent missteps or misstatements.

I think we need to try to provide effective feedback that is localized to time and place and actual statement made.

I think we need to be open to feedback provided to us to help us see ourselves from another's point of view.

I think we should be very careful about taking offense or assuming bad things of others. We may need to know what they offer.

We need to listen to others and make sure that what we understand what they are trying to say.

Look for a way to learn about yourself and about others' views and about what you can do to create an invigorated and positive discussion that will bring people in to contribute. Help others towards this and perhaps we can make a difference towards a better environment.
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Old 10-06-2006, 05:32 PM   #37
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I Hearby Declare a Truce...

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I'll say this... I'm often perplexed by some of Bryan's comments, but in the few minutes I was able to talk with Bryan in Salem I can assure you he is NOT in step with the WBCCI Leadership. I kid with Bryan -- he seems very nice in person -- he's always willing to guide --
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If 65GT says Bryan is a nice guy, I hearby declare a truce in this war of the words,
This battle of B*** S***,
This petulant posting,
etc.

No hard feelings.
Laissez les bon temps roulez!
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