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Old 01-09-2007, 09:22 AM   #113
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I just don't understand feelings like that. Exclusivity is not the purpose of this club. MandalAirstream owners will, in many ways, be just like the rest of us. They enjoy camping and camaradarie. I know, I know, they don't own a monocoque shell and an aluminum body. But why exclude them? This is not the kind of exclusiveness that will allow for growth, but for further deterioration of a potentially dying breed anyway!


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The WBCCI exist for Airstream owners. It is therefore an exclusive club just like the Mandalay Bay Travel Club exist for owners of Mandalay Bay motor homes, and as was discovered by members of this forum, it too is exclusive. Exclusivity is not necessarily bad, at least in this instance. It is for the sharing of a common interest. This is not a discrimination thing, but a focus thing.

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Hi, I read a statement, "manufactured by Airstream" Airstream is owned by Thor, therefore all Airstreams are technically manufactured by Thor. So if they put "Airstream" on a Mandalay it is an Airstream...

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Not so. Airstream is a wholly owned subsidiary of Thor Industries. Airstream has it's own board of directors, it's own corporate officers, etc. It is not just another division of Thor, I believe it is an independent Business Unit.
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Old 01-09-2007, 09:40 AM   #114
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Exclusivity is not necessarily bad, at least in this instance. It is for the sharing of a common interest. This is not a discrimination thing, but a focus thing.
I believe it is an independent Business Unit.
Exclusivity, focus groups, quotas are all terms that people use to delude themselves that they are not discriminating against others. Even the government does it. Don't delude yourself.

Airstream is independant of Thor the same way Chevy is independant of GM.
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Old 01-09-2007, 09:57 AM   #115
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Exclusivity, focus groups, quotas are all terms that people use to delude themselves that they are not discriminating against others. Even the government does it. Don't delude yourself.

Airstream is independant of Thor the same way Chevy is independant of GM.
Perhaps it is discrimination on some scale, but I don't think it is anymore a form of discrimination than a Corvette Club or Harley Club or any other brand specific club. I don't think you can lump it into the same kind of discrimination as a country club that only allows WASPs to join.

As for Airstream being independent, you may be right. I'm not sure, but I do know they are an independent corporation founded in 1936 that is wholly owned by Thor (per the Airstream website). Chevy is a DIVISION of GM. If I am not mistaken, there is a difference.
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Just because Ford has a sepcial edition with Harley-Davidson on it, doesn't make it a motorcycle.

WBCCI has dicussed NOT allowing Base Camp owners into the club, but I'm sure that this new "Airstream" moho will be welcomed with open arms. Go figure.
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Old 01-09-2007, 10:15 AM   #117
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WBCCI has dicussed NOT allowing Base Camp owners into the club, but I'm sure that this new "Airstream" moho will be welcomed with open arms. Go figure.
I also happen to own a 1974 Corvette. Would NEVER talk to a Mustang owner.

Well, I'm not always against discrimination you see. I just think we should at least recognize it when we do it.

This is all the more reason that we perhaps need a motorhome group. Keep those "slab sided, fibre glass" monsters away from the normal folks. That's meant as a little attempt at humor.
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Old 01-09-2007, 10:56 AM   #118
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as i noted back at the start of this thread....

let them brand the mandalay as an airstream...

how really cares...

honestly i think wally would be fine with that IF it sells units.

the real problem related to the big class a mohos is......

most of the officers who travel by large class a are just as removed from the average wbcci member as they are the silver trailers and classic mohos...

and the club at large suffers because of this disconnect.

if these officers would just buy a bambi and park it in a yard , they'd be a/s owners....

then THEY could bring any moho they wanted to the rally!

cooperhawk, i read your other thread and think a moho rally/group is a great idea...

if i still had one you'd have my attention.

and i agree clubs like these are full of descrimination or segregation...

'focus' reads softer. but it is what it is...

in the wbcci there are 'focus' groups that reduce the impact of letting odd things into the main club...

the vac intraclub, is a perfect example of that.

also the classic caravan club....the intraclub for twinkies only...

IF you own a round sided traditional trailer or moho, this group does caravans and the membership excludes b-vans, squarestreams, fiberglass, basecamps or anything else that does not look like a semimonocoquetube.

everyone who wants 'tubes only' should show their support for the classic caravan intraclub and join up...

everyone knows that 'clubs within the club' is focus of the future!

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Just a little stir to keep the pot boiling, remember:
Wally wasn't even there when the WBCCI was formed. His cousin and others did it.
Also, all of his caravaans before the club was formed included anybody and any kind of trailer that would make the trip.
I don't know about those trips after the formation of the club.
And one last thing, the club was formed to promote TRAVEL......not sitting around enjoying the company of others while they stroked the feathers of others.
There, that ought to liven things up!
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Just a little stir to keep the pot boiling, remember:
Wally wasn't even there when the WBCCI was formed. His cousin and others did it.
Also, all of his caravaans before the club was formed included anybody and any kind of trailer that would make the trip.
I don't know about those trips after the formation of the club.
And one last thing, the club was formed to promote TRAVEL......not sitting around enjoying the company of others while they stroked the feathers of others.
There, that ought to liven things up!
I guess we all tend to lose site of the camping thing sometimes, and concentrate our efforts on other unimportant things.
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Old 01-09-2007, 01:22 PM   #121
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Just a little stir to keep the pot boiling, remember:
Wally wasn't even there when the WBCCI was formed. His cousin and others did it.
Also, all of his caravaans before the club was formed included anybody and any kind of trailer that would make the trip.
I don't know about those trips after the formation of the club.
And one last thing, the club was formed to promote TRAVEL......not sitting around enjoying the company of others while they stroked the feathers of others.
There, that ought to liven things up!
To further stir the pot, you are correct. Wally didn't start the club, it was just named in his honor so whether he would have invited, or allowed, SOB's in the club is really a moot point. How's that for a little extra stir.

Anyway, I think the officers of the WBCCI are selling out the club if they are trying to convince Airstream to brand a few Mandalay Bays for their own personal benefit. My main objection is that this is for the benefit of a few, not the benefit of the club.

Since Airstream discontinued the motor home division, how does it now benefit the club as a whole to sell a counterfeit Airstream motor home? Will people actually buy an expensive Class A Mandalay Bay with Airstream badging for the sole purpose of joining the WBCCI? Will selling a counterfeit Class A Airstream increase membership in the club? It will do neither. I think the only benefit that can remotely be considered is that a few soon to be octogenarian officers that will be too old to camp in less than 10 years will be able to extend their memberships maybe five or six extra years and thus extend their antiquated influence on the club for those next few years before turning the reigns over to the next wave of officers. Officers that will probably be there to take over the reigns whether it is next year or five years from now. Those officers behind this are being selfish plain and simple.

The fiberglass Squarestreams of the past have been real Airstreams. They were made by Airstream in Airstream factories by Airstream employees. They have a place in the WBCCI. This fake that is being proposed is just a means to an end. I think the only market will be the officers of the WBCCI. If there were any other profitable market, Airstream would not have canceled the diesel pusher division.

Climb down off of soap box now.

Thank you for tolerating the rantings of a recently impassioned WBCCI member.
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Old 01-09-2007, 02:35 PM   #122
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I don't personally know who is trying to convince Airstream to do what, however, I would suppose the reason older folks would like to be able to buy a new motorhome and still stay in the club, is because they have made friends and would still like to be a part of the group.

Is this really about the motorhome, or the animosity towards those octogenarians that actually do the work of the club. Sounds to me like sour grapes from small minds.

The real reason they run the club is because nobody else wants to. I know quite a few of them and they would certainly like to have someone else take over so they could enjoy their (octogenarian years)!

Don't like how the club is run, get off your behinds and get to work! You know, those folks would love the help in most units.
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As was earlier pointed out, if the officers wish to purchase new motor homes and stay in the club, they can be grandfathered in or they can buy newer motor homes than their current units or buy Class B's.

I have no animosity toward the octogenarians, just that according to the line of this thread it seams that the officers of the WBCCI are being self serving in their interest in having a counterfeit Airstream Class A. I would love to see Airstream reascend their decision to discontinue production of the Class A. I just think they should do it proper and not deceive the buying public that might be misled into thinking they were getting the same thing that someone who bought a Class A from Airstream a year ago might have received.

I was extremely disappointed when Airstream canceled the New Classic when all looked as if they were poised to begin production even though I was not in the market to purchase one. I just wanted to see a beautiful aluminum motor home on the market again. It just seems to me that if the WBCCI leaders are behind this, they are encouraging Thor to misrepresent the future buyers of the Airstream Class A who aren't yet members of this forum or the WBCCI and don't know what's going on.

As far as getting off my behind and do something...I do that every morning at 5:30 when I get up and get ready to go to work and I will continue to do so for at least the next 20 years or so until I reach retirement age. Then I will have the time available to invest in going to all of the required functions that officers in the WBCCI have to attend. Until that time I will voice my dissatisfaction when I feel that the club has taken a wrong direction. The last time I looked at the club's constitution it was one member one vote.
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Is this really about the motorhome, or the animosity towards those octogenarians that actually do the work of the club. Sounds to me like sour grapes from small minds.
I think there may be some animosity in that some of us who are aquainted with a few of these motor home folks who actually run the club remember when some were part of the crowd who stood against admittance of the Base Camp and the other Airsteam produced vehicles. Now that the shoe is on the other foot I'm sure a few are getting some pleasure in giving them a dose back.

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Then I will have the time available to invest in going to all of the required functions that officers in the WBCCI have to attend. Until that time I will voice my dissatisfaction when I feel that the club has taken a wrong direction. The last time I looked at the club's constitution it was one member one vote.
Okay, I agree with that, however that is why the older folks actually run the club. I'm retired but due to family considerations unable to travel enough to serve as an officer. I do web sites as my contributions. And you are right of course. one member, one vote. Well, that means that the members elect these octogenarians because there is no one else running. It's not their fault you see. In fact we have members that are doing a second and even a third round as Officers because no one else has come foreward.

Jack, you may be right about some of the Officers but I know several and they seem to be opened minded to me. Maybe they've changed. Well, anyway, it gives an excuse to act in the same manner that you find fault with in them.
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Gunner, I'm not saying that every officer in the WBCCI is behind this or is self serving, but I do think those that are behind it just so they will have the option of trading for new in a couple of years should re-examine their motives and whether they are doing it for the good of the WBCCI or not. I really don't think they should be involved since there doesn't seem to be anything in it for the club.

There was a post several months ago that said the WBCCI quit giving away the first year's membership with the purchase of your first Airstream because they were only seeing a 15% return on the program. Well, that is a pretty good return and I would venture to guess would return more paying members than these counterfeit motor homes will bring in every year.

It's kind of like the WBCCI doesn't really have a dog in this fight so why would the officers be so interested in getting Thor to put a badge on the Mandalay? BTW, I have done a little research on the Mandalay and it seems they are nice, but really not as much of a luxury coach like I was expecting. I guess I was expecting something along the lines of Monaco.
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