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Old 01-06-2007, 08:34 AM   #99
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There's something that's been bothering me about all this. Really bothering me.
I haven't done any research, but it seems to me that the people that now have motor homes, and want the club to accept a non-Airstream brand motor home as a replacement, are in many cases the same people that initially refused to allow Argosy trailers and motor homes, and refused to allow B van motor homes, and balked at allowing the Base Camp. They didn't want the club to change to accept these things, and now the shoe is on the other foot, they want things changed so they can still belong. In a club that is trying to change, do they really want to go to great lengths to keep someone that doesn't want change?
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Old 01-06-2007, 09:16 AM   #100
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ARTICLE VI
QUALIFICATIONS OF MEMBERS
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An adult who owns a hard sided recreational vehicle manufactured by Airstream, Inc. shall be eligible for membership. (6/30/06)

Does anyone know how they intend to change this wording to allow the Mandalay owners into WBCCI? Will it be:

...any hard sided recreational vehicle sanctioned by Airstream?
...any hard sided recreational vehicle onto which we can fit the Airstream badge over the real manufacturer's badge?
...any hard sided recreational vehicle manufactured by Thor that we deem to be worthy of the Airstream badge at the time officers propose it for acceptance into the club?
...any hard sided recreational vehicle that any WBCCI officer cares to slap an Airstream badge onto?

I'm just curious how they get around the "manufactured by Airstream" part of the membership requirement with a Thor/Mandalay motorhome.
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Old 01-06-2007, 10:38 AM   #101
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You know, this has gotten from a new Airstream MoHo to a full blown WBCCI thread. I say who cares what happens to the folks that built moats around the club and now face the music to their actions. If anyone has been a snob, I'd have to say it's been these folks, not most of us. I still stand by my comments that a rebadged RV should not be allowed, but keep in mind I say this from the outside.

Bottom line, we all might not care for box style RVs, but if it's made by Airstream, you gotta allow it. Though I'm no snob, I strongly feel that Airstream should stick to it's traditions when making a product....it's what makes Airstream unique. Anyone can build a box. Having said that, I agree with what Lew said...it's a tough market.

I fully agree that the Argosy was the last known variance built that used most if not all the traditional Airstream design. That's the way it should be IMHO and that's what I'd like to see....but as the old man said in Gumpy Old Men.... I can wish in one hand and duke in the other and see what gets filled first.

I think that the market will not allow such a product (Classic design) to be built due to cost and market for it and that if an Airstream motorhome is to exist, the company has few really great options. At this point, that's what concerns me, not what the upper crust or management of WBCCI will do. They've made their bed for decades and can lay in it for all I care.

It's funny....the more things change the more they stay the same. For years I seem to recall a stanch denial of ever building a MoHo and that the trailer was the end all be all for Airstream. Then the Classic MoHo came out and I even recall it as a kid being a non Airstreamer how big that was...heck anyone that was in to RVing knew. Here we are again today, with the MoHos on their way out and the trailer lines the sole product.
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Old 01-06-2007, 11:03 AM   #102
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I just don't understand feelings like that. Exclusivity is not the purpose of this club. MandalAirstream owners will, in many ways, be just like the rest of us. They enjoy camping and camaradarie. I know, I know, they don't own a monocoque shell and an aluminum body. But why exclude them? This is not the kind of exclusiveness that will allow for growth, but for further deterioration of a potentially dying breed anyway!


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Tom -- I agree that exclusivity is not the purpose of the club, but it is PART of the club, if not the very heart of it. No one is implying that a motor home shouldn't be allowed membership into a club. There are lots of RV clubs that are all inclusive. There are also those that are exclusive. Family Motor Coach Assoc. is but one example. Exclusivity is not a bad thing but what identifys an organization. Lodges, Masonic -- Oddfellows--even VFW's are exclusive. This does not mean they are elite or snobish but that the organization was formed for that group exclusively. ---pieman
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Old 01-06-2007, 09:10 PM   #103
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Hi, I read a statement, "manufactured by Airstream" Airstream is owned by Thor, therefore all Airstreams are technically manufactured by Thor. So if they put "Airstream" on a Mandalay it is an Airstream. I think any vehicle with wheels, legally documented as an Airstream should be allowed into Airstream clubs. Meaning, if the legal title lists it as an Airstream, then that is what it is. If Thor / Airstream wants to put Airstream scripts on golf carts and bicycles, then they too are Airstreams.
On the other hand, just relableing a Mandalay without something like, Airstream exclusive interiors, drive trains, end caps, lights, and graphics is a cheap shot. Also, why would they even consider doing this before they have used up and sold all existing units and chassis?


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Old 01-06-2007, 11:04 PM   #104
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man·u·fac·ture (mān'yə-fāk'chər) Pronunciation Key
v. man·u·fac·tured, man·u·fac·tur·ing, man·u·fac·tures

v. tr.
    1. To make or process (a raw material) into a finished product, especially by means of a large-scale industrial operation.
    2. To make or process (a product), especially with the use of industrial machines.
  1. To create, produce, or turn out in a mechanical manner: "His books seem to have been manufactured rather than composed" (Dwight Macdonald).
  2. To concoct or invent; fabricate: manufacture an excuse.
Lets stir things up a bit , above is the defination of the word Manufacture.
Per defination #3 all the folks at Jackson Center have to do is CONCOCT what they want an AIRSTREAM to be, they do not have to Build it.
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Old 01-07-2007, 07:16 AM   #105
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NEW YORK -- The idea that Airstream may be considering labeling a motorhome built by another company as an Airstream, concerns the second vice president of the Metropolitan New York chapter of the Wally Byam Caravan Club.
Leo Garvey has fired off a letter to company employees expressing his concern that other Airstream owners may be pressuring the company into applying the Airstream label to a non-Airstream-built product.
In a letter dated yesterday, Garvey encourages the company to protect the purity of Airstream products. "Airstream recreational vehicles are built only by Airstream employees and technicians and are only built in Airstream factories," Garvey wrote.
Here is the entire text of Garvey's letter:
"I have learned today that leaders of the WBCCI have been pushing for Airstream management to BADGE a non-Airstream built motor home as an Airstream product. I simply can not believe that the executive management of Airstream Corporation or it's parent company, Thor Industries, does not recognize the permanent damage that will result to the 75-year historic Airstream brand as a result of this move.
"Airstreams have always been built in an Airstream factory. I urge you to protect and maintain the 75-plus-year tradition that has made Airstream the product that it is today. That Airstream recreational vehicles are built only by Airstream employees and technicians and are only built in Airstream factories. It's the only way to protect the integrity of a product that has survived 75-plus years in the recreational vehicle industry.
"Non-Airstream product should never be labeled as an Airstream. A $100 million dollar company should not succumb to an infinitesimally small percentage of the WBCCI membership – the current WBCCI International Leadership. The WBCCI will once again flourish with Airstream concentrating on what the WBCCI was founded on – Airstream Travel Trailers. If you allow non-Airstream product to be badged as Airstream you will not only devalue your label you will devalue the WBCCI."
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Old 01-07-2007, 10:59 AM   #106
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Hi, look up the definition of assemble or assembled and that might shed some light on the workings of an Airstream product.
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HOORAY,HOORAY!
I called AS friday and gave them my MH s/n and asked them to define a real AS. I was assured that my boxy fiberglass 396XL was indeed a real AS product. I was also told ,it was not a trailer nor was it a classic, but it was still a real AS product. Thank you, I can now sleep much better.
Also, I tried to join the Mandalay Traverlers Club and was told I had to have a motorhome manufactered by Mandalay. I told them it was a Thor product built by AS and they were not impressed. Not made by Mandalay, no travel club. Very interesting eh.
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Old 01-07-2007, 02:56 PM   #108
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Oh man, I just went over and read all about the new Ford/Airstream. It's even got ceremonial rivets.
Two American icons deliver the crossover model of the future with the Ford Airstream concept - Global Auto Index News
Well, I don't know if you can sleep in it, but you should sure be able to carry a tent in it and it says Airstream right on the front.

What are those lunatics at Thor thinking! Do they actuallty think that they own the Airstream name and can do as they damn well please. Ridiculous! Get on em 65GT. Put a stop to this lunacy! Next thing they'll want into the WBCCI!
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Old 01-07-2007, 03:18 PM   #109
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Yeh, Dat be me. For once I agree with you but Don't have the big one now! It'll probably never see the light of day, but what a great toad it would make behind a motorhome. I wonder if it would be light enough to drive on the beach,
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Old 01-07-2007, 07:11 PM   #110
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HOORAY,HOORAY!
I called AS friday and gave them my MH s/n and asked them to define a real AS. I was assured that my boxy fiberglass 396XL was indeed a real AS product. I was also told ,it was not a trailer nor was it a classic, but it was still a real AS product. Thank you, I can now sleep much better.
Also, I tried to join the Mandalay Traverlers Club and was told I had to have a motorhome manufactered by Mandalay. I told them it was a Thor product built by AS and they were not impressed. Not made by Mandalay, no travel club. Very interesting eh.
What a great idea. What would happen if every Airstream Owner wrote to Mandalay Travelers club requesting membership based on the rumors that they we going to produce an Airstream MH. pieman
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I guess the constitution/by-laws must be easy to change. But they would have to amend that last part since the Mandalay Bay Airstream wouldn't be manufactured by Airstream but by Mandalay Bay or Thor or Fleetwood or whomever. That is if someone opposed to the idea wanted to get technical.
It is all about the MVSS sticker that contains the VIN. That is what is used to determine "who" made it. If the MVSS is issued by Jackson center, then it "is" an Airstream.....
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What a great idea. What would happen if every Airstream Owner wrote to Mandalay Travelers club requesting membership based on the rumors that they we going to produce an Airstream MH. pieman
They would have a lot of new members...
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