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Old 01-05-2007, 03:49 PM   #85
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It's interesting to note that one of the current International Officers is a member of the local unit we recently left. This person voiced their displeasure regarding allowing the Base Camp into the club, because it "wasn't" a real Airstream. It was interesting several months later, after Airstream discontinued their motor home production this same person, who owns a motor home, was now championing that WBCCI needed to change the bylaws to allow other brands of motor homes into the fold.

It's interesting how the views change...

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This is our first year of owning an Airstream and our first year being a member of the WBCCI. Unfortunately, I will be unable to attend the International this year even though it is in my own back yard. (Previous commitment) While I am on the fence and leaning away from allowing the Mandalay Bay Airstreams in the club, I would be EXTREMELY against allowing any other brand of motor home in the WBCCI. In fact, I will request a refund of my dues if they do!
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Old 01-05-2007, 03:57 PM   #86
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Who will do the work??

One thing to remember is a lot of the people that do a lot of the work it takes to put on a large rally like International, Florida State Rally, Region Level, etc... are the ones that drive a bunch of the Motorhomes. If there is a push to get rid of the motorhomes which then gets rid of the people that do a bunch of the work, I just hope those who are pushing for this are planning to step up to the plate and do the work of the people they pushed out of the club. Don't get me wrong, I don't even think of the box motorhomes as an Airstream and I don't think we should change the name. But you may want to think about who does what and who will fill in if their gone.
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One thing to remember is a lot of the people that do a lot of the work it takes to put on a large rally like International, Florida State Rally, Region Level, etc... are the ones that drive a bunch of the Motorhomes. If there is a push to get rid of the motorhomes which then gets rid of the people that do a bunch of the work, I just hope those who are pushing for this are planning to step up to the plate and do the work of the people they pushed out of the club. Don't get me wrong, I don't even think of the box motorhomes as an Airstream and I don't think we should change the name. But you may want to think about who does what and who will fill in if their gone.
You know though, it could cause some rethinking of how the entire rally process is done. Fewer workers, maybe a lot more informality....not always a bad thing.

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I have to say that I'm sorry for what I'm about to say. But sometimes it hard to just sit by and say nothine.

The motorhome thing could be worse! Like many things in this country they could ship out production to china. Then instead of an Airstream club we could have a Chinese Junk club.

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Old 01-05-2007, 08:01 PM   #89
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One thing to remember is a lot of the people that do a lot of the work it takes to put on a large rally like International, Florida State Rally, Region Level, etc... are the ones that drive a bunch of the Motorhomes. If there is a push to get rid of the motorhomes which then gets rid of the people that do a bunch of the work, I just hope those who are pushing for this are planning to step up to the plate and do the work of the people they pushed out of the club. Don't get me wrong, I don't even think of the box motorhomes as an Airstream and I don't think we should change the name. But you may want to think about who does what and who will fill in if their gone.
My answer to your question is, who did the work before Motorhomes came along.? It's not about who does the work of the club but what is an Airstream ? ---pieman
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I have to say that I'm sorry for what I'm about to say. But sometimes it hard to just sit by and say nothine.

The motorhome thing could be worse! Like many things in this country they could ship out production to china. Then instead of an Airstream club we could have a Chinese Junk club.

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The Chinese ARE making an RV right now. I don't recall the name but I did see shots of a model that was at the Louisville RV Trade Show in the Fall and it was made in China. In fact, it had an interior design that looked strangely familiar.......LIKE SOME AIRSTREAM FLOORPLANS! I'll see if I can dig up the article.

On another note, My profession takes me into just about every type of RV, from small trailers to Airstreams to Mandalays, Monacos, Newmars....all the way up to the $2 Million Prevost bus conversions. While Mandalay produces a nice coach, they are still very middle of the road when it come to quality and outfitting when compared to the likes of the high-line coaches out there.

That said, Airstream was probably correct in killing the classic project for several reasons. Motor homes are sold today on the basis of price, amenities and SLIDES, or the amount of extra floor space that you get when the wall sections pop out from the frame. It started with 1, then went to 2, now it's 4 slides but even that has been surpassed by the 'full wall slide' where most of the entire sidewall of the MoHo slides out by 2-3 feet. Soon there will be a full wall slide on either side. Airstream could not produce a product to compete in this market, and they felt that they could not depend on the limited number of sales to those in love with the older classic to generate sufficient profits. It's a tough market out there.

On the service side, coaches are getting more complex every year. I constantly have to re-certify and learn new products just to keep current with what the OEM's are putting out there. Most current Airstream dealers will be in WAY over their heads if Thor decides to sell the 'MandalAirstream motor home and they are expected to service it. Many A/S dealers can't even handle the basic components found in todays trailers, let alone a acomplex motor home!

And thru all of this and having lived full time in a 40' Monaco Dynasty for 5 years, you can see my preference for an RV in my avatar photo. That speaks for itself!

I'm done ranting now................................thanks!
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I'm a new AS Bambi owner and am only beginning to appreciate the rich history and traditions of AS, the WBCCI, and the Airstream Forums. That said, "Airstream" - by definition - is whatever the manufacturer says it is. Heh, there is "Airstream" coffee, t-shirts, lights, pajamas, etc.

Look at the evolution at all the car markers in America. And, as far as outsourcing and getting Chineese RV "junk" it seems I remember a similar attitude towards Japanese stuff in the 60's/70's. Now, they are considered the "best in class" world leaders in hundreds of fields.

I appreciate all the wonderful hard work the vintage AS owners and restorers/rennovators have done on their trailers/MHs and how they have kept the AS brand alive and florishing and the source of pride it is to own one and join an elite membership. I don't want to minimize that with my comments.

As AS-ers, i would think we should be inclusive of all our "family members." Just me.
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Let me jump in here one last time. My original post was out of concern for my fellow AS MH owners, The AS employees at JC who are also like a cult, and the many directors and officers at AS who would be very dissapointed to see Thor rebadge the Manalay as an AS. As far as WBCCI is concerned, if they expelled because I have a MH and not a shiny trailer, I would not lose too much sleep. My wife is also secretary for our unit.
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I'm a new AS Bambi owner and am only beginning to appreciate the rich history and traditions of AS, the WBCCI, and the Airstream Forums. That said, "Airstream" - by definition - is whatever the manufacturer says it is. Heh, there is "Airstream" coffee, t-shirts, lights, pajamas, etc.

Look at the evolution at all the car markers in America. And, as far as outsourcing and getting Chineese RV "junk" it seems I remember a similar attitude towards Japanese stuff in the 60's/70's. Now, they are considered the "best in class" world leaders in hundreds of fields.

I appreciate all the wonderful hard work the vintage AS owners and restorers/rennovators have done on their trailers/MHs and how they have kept the AS brand alive and florishing and the source of pride it is to own one and join an elite membership. I don't want to minimize that with my comments.

As AS-ers, i would think we should be inclusive of all our "family members." Just me.

Amen. Way to be inclusive. I like you.
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Old 01-05-2007, 10:09 PM   #94
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While I haven't counted so this is not scientific:

Notable that many of the folks objecting to the MandalAirstream possibliity are vintage owners -- not consumers of current A/S product. As a business professor causes me thoughts in re historic issues (essentially sentimentality) vs product/market viability. Keep in mind that the company has to compete today, in rough and increasingly competitive times, and that in most industries not to grow is to fail.

Few owners (or formal owners' groups) are as engaged as A/S owners and, quite honestly, I admire the A/S and Thor management for putting up with us. They are doing great things.


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While I am on the fence and leaning away from allowing the Mandalay Bay Airstreams in the club...

I just don't understand feelings like that. Exclusivity is not the purpose of this club. MandalAirstream owners will, in many ways, be just like the rest of us. They enjoy camping and camaradarie. I know, I know, they don't own a monocoque shell and an aluminum body. But why exclude them? This is not the kind of exclusiveness that will allow for growth, but for further deterioration of a potentially dying breed anyway!


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I just don't understand feelings like that. Exclusivity is not the purpose of this club. MandalAirstream owners will, in many ways, be just like the rest of us. They enjoy camping and camaradarie. I know, I know, they don't own a monocoque shell and an aluminum body. But why exclude them? This is not the kind of exclusiveness that will allow for growth, but for further deterioration of a potentially dying breed anyway!


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Tom,

Then why not allow anyone with an RV, trailer, motorhome, pickup camper, C motorhome, tent etc be a member?

Since Airstream is making as many as they can, why do you say a dying breed?

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Tom,

Then why not allow anyone with an RV, trailer, motorhome, pickup camper, C motorhome, tent etc be a member?

Since Airstream is making as many as they can, why do you say a dying breed?

Bill

Good question, Bill... I think because of the heritage. It could be that there is no reason at all that's intellectually acceptable.

AS to the "dying breed" part -- I realize that wasn't clear. I meant WBCCI, not Airstream! Sorry about that!


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