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Old 01-02-2007, 05:02 PM   #15
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anyone who says a Classic Airstream motorhome is highly unreliable, has just not owned one. I had mine for 5 years, and had one break down in that time. We cruised up and down the East Coast thru the mountains of NC and VA in 98 degree heat and the only failure was the starter motor. Replacing it with a heat resistant starter ended that problem.
A Chevrolet chassis with a 454 or Isuzu diesel. Easy to repair, and maintain for the most part. For twenty plus year old vehicles these are Reliable and sound. Owning one was enjoyable and satisfying, I almost hated to sell it, but lifestyle changes made a trailer more sensible for us.
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Old 01-02-2007, 05:28 PM   #16
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But....it does answer the anxious worries from many of the higher ups within WBCCI regarding a successor motorhome. Keep in mind that if the bylaws stay as they are now, eventually those existing members having to replace their motorhomes would have to move back to the trailer side of life, or find a used unit.

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To be honest Jack, what WBCCI members have to do to stay in the club hasn't really been keeping me up at night!

I was bummed that the return of the classic motorhome never did come to be...even though I most likely could not afford one of the new ones they were thinking of building now, used, let alone new.
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Old 01-02-2007, 05:36 PM   #17
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anyone who says a Classic Airstream motorhome is highly unreliable, has just not owned one. I had mine for 5 years, and had one break down in that time.
A Chevrolet chassis with a 454 or Isuzu diesel. Easy to repair, and maintain for the most part. For twenty plus year old vehicles these are Reliable and sound. Owning one was enjoyable and satisfying, I almost hated to sell it, but lifestyle changes made a trailer more sensible for us.

I never owned one, but I've seen many 454s and Isuzu engines and the chassis that the said motorhomes were built on. Knowing anything can have problems, I'd have to agree, the Classic motorhome using either of these two engines, chassis, etc would be IMHO a good coach to own.

I'm not bashing the box mohos per se. They are neat coaches in their own right, but, if it's really an Airstream, it's got the alum body, with the mono shell. Airstream did it right when they finally came out with the long awaited Classic motorhome which uses the design and engineering that makes Airstreams what they are. Yes the box mohos are Airstreams, but they do not use the same engineering that makes an Airstream an Airstream. Makes them neither good nor bad, but what they are.
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Old 01-02-2007, 06:20 PM   #18
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Has anybody considered the Airstream Westfalia? Airstream did little except add a generator and change the electrics to 110 v from 220, and install Airstream badges.
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Old 01-02-2007, 06:30 PM   #19
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differant strokes for different folks.I've got a 77 Argosy with 100,000 miles on it . Just change oil every 3,000 miles change trany fluid every 40,000 miles. no problems.I'm happy with mine as well as others are with thiers.I don't knock other brands, if I see any brand moho or trailer I try to offer assisstance. that's the only way to fly.
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Old 01-02-2007, 08:10 PM   #20
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Has anybody considered the Airstream Westfalia? Airstream did little except add a generator and change the electrics to 110 v from 220, and install Airstream badges.
Yup...IMHO that one too would fall under the umbrella of non monocot shell/Airstream. Even the Airstream only Skydeck too.

No knock intended toward the SOBs and I agree, campers are campers no matter what RV they have.

I thought I read somewhere that Airstream was reluctant to even offer a moho. I bet Wally would be rolling in his grave if he saw the boxsters coming out of the factory or any factory for that matter with the Airstream name on it....then again, maybe he'd have been angry abour Argosies too??!!
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Old 01-02-2007, 08:29 PM   #21
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The other side of the coin...

Well guys and gals, let me inject just this portion:

While we here all think that Airstreams are the cat's meow (myself included), others think differently.

My dad for instance: He is the proud owner of a monster Holiday Rambler Presidential 5th wheel. I have to admit, it is very nice, and has five times the room of my Excella. He considers Airstream to be one of the biggest pieces of #$!@#%!# ever created. He despises them. Where to start? First they "have no room", second "they don't make a 5th wheel" (I know they did...but I've never actually seen one), third, "they don't have a decent floor plan". Fourth "...they don't have a decent frame...mine is 14" deep" and it is, I measured it. You get the picture. I can't really argue much of what he said. We've had hailstorms and his trailer didn't dent. His has three slides. His bathroom is magnificent. His living room is gigantic. It really IS a nice trailer!

But, I still like my aluminum pipe!!!!!!

Not to hijack the thread, as I'm talking about travel trailers. I think the Airstream Classic Motorhomes are Super Cool and would love to have one! But anyway, on the issue of haughty, just thought I'd inject the above sentiment of my "Happy Pappy."

I'd like to fix up an old Flxible bus like the Gournike's had in "RV". That made a really cool RV.

All this being said, I looked at some really swank "motorhomes" built on Freightliner chassis with full leather and were 40' long minimum, sold for about $205K as I recall, and I'd trade my 31' Excella even up without blinking too much

don't listen to me though...I like em all
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Old 01-02-2007, 08:35 PM   #22
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Interesting as Holiday Rambler Motorhomes were made out of aluminum ( painted) for a long time.
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Old 01-02-2007, 08:42 PM   #23
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Very true. I guess I should have qualified that...my grandpa had an older Holiday Rambler 35' TT and Dad didn't like it either. It was the aluminum skinned job. Dad's is a newer one with aluminum body frame but fiberglass skin, on a massive steel chassis.

I was just saying different strokes for different folks.

As for me personally, I remember my grandpa having about ten of every kind of RV ever made (and at 81 he's still got about three or five at any given time) and I always liked the Airstream's the best.

But I like aluminum airplanes better than composite ones too
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Old 01-02-2007, 09:07 PM   #24
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... and Cadillacs are STILL just Chevrolets. Badging is a tool of marketing. We can't let our snobbery drive our habits or our judgments (or we shouldn't, at least).

As previously pointed out, Airstream has played around with badging before -- Argosy was a branding game, as was the Westfalia. It's a great name and will be used to maximize the value of the company. That's what it's all about.

In fact, Mandalay (Mandalay Bay is a casino/resort) is a great brand of Thor and a beautiful product. Mandalay Luxury Division has succeeded and grown to show it with two additional brandplates in the last several years.

Notable that someone said Mandalay will have to stand behind the product -- there's no reason to believe that. If it's sold by Airstream as Airstream, Mandalay Luxury Division might have little or nothing to do with taking care of it, folks. Airstream dealers will have to be responsible. Who knows how they will interact with Mandalay (only time will tell).

Furthermore, don't make the decision in advance that they will JUST be Mandalays. No reason to believe, for example, that an Airstream version of a Mandalay won't have Hickory cabinets.

Let's give them a chance. I'd buy one.


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Old 01-02-2007, 09:15 PM   #25
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On another note, snobby, note -- if they're going to produce painted products (the Sprinter vans, for example), I wish they'd paint them SILVER. That would be a simple form of brand identity! Geesh!
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Old 01-03-2007, 06:29 AM   #26
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O.k. my 2 cents worth. My 28' FC has taken me 32,000 miles over the past year and a half. It's never let me down on the road.... other than that kink in the fuel line due to a botched install job with the new generator back in the begining.
I can buy parts at NAPA. If my coach had a Freightliner chassis I'd be in heaven.... and deep in debt. For the cost of my cash investment I'm way ahead of the rest of the pack going down the road in whatever.
I've got what I need, in the size I need it to be. I don't have any need for a 40' motorhome... or a debt service on the note!
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I don't see a problem with putting an Airstream badge on a Mandalay motor coach. I never could tell the difference at a distance between the Skydeck and any of the other luxury big box bus-style motorhomes. As long as the quality is there and they are serviced by Airstream dealers, there shouldn't be an issue. There's no reason why an Airstream dealer wouldn't service them. They serviced the Skydecks and other Squarestream motorhomes. Who knows, maybe the quality of the Mandalay is better than the quality at Jackson Center. This may have precipitated the discontinuing of producing motorhomes at JC with the intention of branding another Thor luxury coach as an Airstream.
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I don't see a problem with putting an Airstream badge on a Mandalay motor coach. As long as the quality is there and they are serviced by Airstream dealers, there shouldn't be an issue.
I agree. I think that sometimes the members of this forum think they are the board of directers of Thor. Thor is a company of stockholders and must do what the stockholders demand. I also think they are probably smarter than most of us when it comes to what they can sell and service. At any rate, they will do as they see fit.

I believe that Airstream, (even in the bad years) has always stood for quality. I owned some SOB's during the bad years, and Airstream was still much better with their quality and service. I don't think they will sacrifice the name on something of poor quality.

By the way, not all Airstreams were manufactured at Jackson Center. Ever hear about the California plant?
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