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Old 03-10-2006, 01:11 PM   #85
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it has zero influence on WBCCI, Thor Industries or Airstream. The opposite is also true.)
I don't know... I can't help but think that it does influence WBCCI. We all know that many IBT members and other high ranking people do read the forums. They have to be aware that there is rumblings going on. If not, why bother to put out the extended info on the name change in BB? If it was relatively uncontested.

No I am under the impression that WBCCI is very much a part of the forums. Heck, I am a member of WBCCI, I read the forums.
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Old 03-10-2006, 01:17 PM   #86
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What I don't understand is why we shouldn't discuss it here?
To step in for Roger. No one that I know of is saying you shouldn't discuss it. I don't think anyone is offended if you discuss it. And none of the Forum Admin/Mods or the owner certainly do not object that you discuss it.


The thought that we are expressing is that you (collectively the people that have your view point and have expressed it on very many occaisions) think that by creating many threads and posts you will cause change to an orgainization (WBCCI) that has little affilition to the Airstream Forums. It's actually amusing.

You state you want the WBCCI name to remain the same. I hope your current method is working for you to that end. I suggest an alternative that I believe would work. And you can choose to ignore it. Get involve with the WBCCI and take all of the like minded people with you to the WBCCI. Because the change you are asking for can only occur at the WBCCI not here. And that is my opinion.

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Old 03-10-2006, 01:42 PM   #87
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No one that I know of is saying you shouldn't discuss it. I don't think anyone is offended if you discuss it. And none of the Forum Admin/Mods or the owner certainly do not object that you discuss it.
O.K. Good. As long as no one is offended. Then I can let go of my impression that some on these forums are pressuring those of us who oppose the name change to take our ball and go home quietly.

And really, despite the thought that it in not making a difference, I think it is because, like I said before, There are enough people coming forward stating that they were unaware, or are just not happy about it.

In other words, the forums are doing what they do best - keeping people involved.
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Old 03-10-2006, 01:48 PM   #88
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Buttercup & 65GT:

For broader coverage and to put the issue more directly under the noses of the WBCCI National and Regional Officers and WBCCI members, why don't you also start a pro- and con- name change debate thread on the WBCCI Forum:

http://www.wbcci.org/Forum/
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Old 03-10-2006, 02:15 PM   #89
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What I don't understand is why we shouldn't discuss it here? Just because you don't like the topic? Why do you object? Are you for or against the name change?

Why do you come back and read it if it offends you? There are many threads that I just bypass because I don't care. I suspect that those who are reading this thread (and we all know that there are many watching this) read because they are interested either in the topic or in the impassioned discussion.
What keeps you in???
I thought I was succinct in my prior posts, but in case I wasn't, I'll restate my thoughts. The WBCCI name change issue is a tempest in a teapot. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not folks join or stay. The organization no longer has a focus and is being pulled in many directions by many different factions who all believe that their vision is THE vision. WBCCI was started as a Caravan Club, and has been so for the past 50 years. I'm not sure what folks want it to be anymore.

I think spending the effort to entertain a name change when there are more serious issues to be dealt with is ludicrous.

I'm not opposed to a discussion of the issues here, nor am I offended. Having many threads, multiple polls, and vitriolic discussions on the subject is a little over-the-top IMHO for such an inconsequential issue, and I suspect that my view is probably shared by more than a few other Forums members.

Last, I believe that the energy expended here, if you want to effect change (or lack of change in this case), would be much more efficiently done by addressing specifically members of the club rather than the current shotgun approach being taken, and maybe having a few members read about it here.

Basically, have your discussions. Enjoy them, but if you're that passionate about this, spend your time in venues where you're likely to make a difference with the membership. Fred's advice is sound.

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Old 03-10-2006, 02:33 PM   #90
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but if you're that passionate about this, spend your time in venues where you're likely to make a difference with the membership. Fred's advice is sound.

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Old 03-10-2006, 02:44 PM   #91
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No, take it somewhere where it will do some good. You can even keep it up here, but are you taking it to the people who can do something about it? That's the real question. For being so passionate about it, you seem hesitant to take any suggestions to really get the ball rolling.
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I know, take my ball and go home quietly.......
No... you're probably doing the right stuff... I just don't think you're reaching enough of the right folks on our Forums here. I'd liken your activities here to cheering for your favorite football team while you're watching a basketball game in a gym. You're enthusiastic, but are enough of the right people hearing you for you to be effective toward your goals? Take your campaign on the road. Take it to the leadership and membership of the club on their own turf. Find out how to reach them through the club hierarchy and local units. Have other members here who support your position do the same in their local units. If you haven't already, start similar discussions on other venues. Point out the facts on your website and reference it in your posts. Do it professionally and without rancor. Don't shout when an informed whisper will do. I once had a wise friend tell me that organizations are like a piece of string. You can't push it around from the back or sides and accomplish anything, but you can grab an end and lead it anywhere.

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well folks

i do think the multiple threads on the name change are an issue and have some influence......i was neutral on adding airstream and opposed to aoai but the content and nature of the anti movement here (except for a few) convinced me to support the new name as currently suggested by the committee...

i see very little response to the suggestions of posting this on the airstream.com forums or the wbcci forums.....and still no plan even a simple one....

i have yet to read anything from the small group who bash on this issue....that is complete and clear and factual...or that offers another plan of action. while the committee work isn't perfect...the accusations here are wild and silly....
and the speculating about who and why and where the change will take the wb....
in no way helps gain support for a no vote....it's just mud slinging.

to those new folks recently posting here and opposed to the new name...
welcome to the forums...
i sincerely suggest you take your objections to your local unit and good luck with the democratic process!!

also please post more about your camping and airstream and so on...

i don't think the posts here have any impact on the wb but i do wonder if they have a negative impact on these forums.....and new/members new posters and so on.....

the nature of the days view...keeps these at the top of the list...so guests or folks not logged on don't have the option of not "seeing" them....in the first 15.......and any rhetorical post brings them back to the top...

some forum formats...that don't include a "Bump" feature......only offer these threads to people who have selected to follow them.....and for this topic that would be so nice.......

or perhaps the temporary additon of a wb/name tab....like the ads or side bars or member map tab.......could work....we could then opt to 'click' to read the latest yak...

i still think contacting members by mail or phone is the most productive approach, along with email to any units that have websites, and to the individual unit officials......

i offer to pay for the postage and letter copying......

if either 65gt or bcup (or both) will compose their position statement and action plan for a member mailing....and i mail it to 100 folks of their choosing.....what ever statement they compose.......with no editing by me.

lastly, i would like to see all the "name change ' threads combined into one long thread.

so folks can enjoy the full flavor of this forum debate, without new threads popping up....with the same stuff again, but that don't include the well though out replys in one of the other threads......to much bait and switching going on....

ok,
i'm off to look for something fun or useful here to read.....

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Darned if we do, darned if we don't. Kind of a catch all situation in this case. The thread was started by an interested forum member with legitimate questions. It seemed only logical to answer.
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Darned if we do, darned if we don't. The thread was started by an interested forum member with legitimate questions.

It seemed only logical to answer.

and yet no one opposing the change has answered post #1....

and wheel interested, if you would like to compose a position statement and action plan...i will mail it with the others....honestly.

sorry i'm busy looking for a meat loaf receipt to try....
or a summer fruit cake....

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sorry i'm busy looking for a meat loaf receipt to try....
or a summer fruit cake....

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