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Old 03-21-2006, 06:38 AM   #127
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I just received a communication from a local member who is very involved in WBCCI and has some International aspirations.

"Please be advised that the officers of WBCCI are ALL opposed to the name change. Their motion was simply to LET THE MEMBERSHIP DECIDE since it was from the membership that the change was proposed. PLEASE get that word out!"

The thought came to mind, that is it possible that the leadership didn't want to see a name change (as originally proposed)? Maybe they let the process be gerimandered so that what would come forth would be so totally unacceptable, that the entire name change issue dies?

You know its entirely possible that in the back room, these guys figured out that the rank and file would never let this happen, but just in case let's give 'um a name that nobody could support.

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Jack,
I am starting to hear similar hints from other sources. If true, this is a very nice development (at least from the anti-AOAI perspective).
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Old 03-21-2006, 06:46 AM   #128
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Thumbs down Aoai

Well for the people wanting the name change from the WBCCI .. you think explaining that one is bad.. wait until you say AOAI and people start humming or singing .. " Old MacDonald " .. Annie
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Old 03-21-2006, 06:55 AM   #129
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More name change facts...

I've done further research with WBCCI on what options the delegates have with regards to voting on the name change at International this year. Here are the voting options WBCCI recently sent to me:




(1) Decide to PASS the motion and change the Club's name to AOAI.

Pro:
The new name reflects who and what we are: Airstream owners. Too many people do not know who Wally Byam is or was.

Con:
  1. Members are very strongly divided over changing or not changing the name.
  2. A logo and name license agreement with Thor Corp appears to enable Thor to have the possibility of undesired influence or control over the Club.
  3. Cost estimates are about: $21,300 for the club and $452 for each unit.
(2) Decide to FAIL the motion and keep the Club's name as the WBCCI

Pro:
  1. No cost involved other than what has been spent investigating a proposed new name
  2. We keep control of our Club internally
  3. Decision to emphasize the WBCCI letterhead more; then we could all be trained to refer to the WBCCI as the Airstream Owners Association in dealing with non-WBCCI individuals
Con:
Time and training would be necessary to train all Club members at all levels of leadership that we are to be referred to as the Airstream Owners Association.



(3) Modify the Recommended Name to a different name decided by Delegate Debate
Pro:
Reflects the opinion and desires of all voting Club members and not a smaller group responding to a request or survey or dramatically expressing their opinion.

Con:
A decision needs to be made by delegates without conference with their Unit members. Unit members need to provide the ability of their delegate to exercise/vote on this option.


This is the first I have heard of "(3)" above where the name could change this year based on the results of a delegate debate. I wonder if a unit can vote against holding a delegate debate? I'm assuming yes based on the sentence: "Unit members need to provide the ability of their delegate to exercise/vote on this option". Has anyone heard anything else about this?
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Old 03-21-2006, 07:01 AM   #130
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First I've heard about it.So the plot thickens.Can't decide if this issue is like an adventure,fiction or a mystery novel.Thanks for posting this information.
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Old 03-21-2006, 07:05 AM   #131
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Simple response

Yuki,

I am supporting my husbands position;

"Keep the name, change the club".
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Old 03-21-2006, 08:47 AM   #132
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This is the first I have heard of "(3)" above where the name could change this year based on the results of a delegate debate. I wonder if a unit can vote against holding a delegate debate? I'm assuming yes based on the sentence: "Unit members need to provide the ability of their delegate to exercise/vote on this option". Has anyone heard anything else about this?
You know the process gets more and more bizzare. I sent a copy of this to our unit president and asked him if these folks proposing this are off their meds.

So first the vote of the units in April last year is ignored and we get something completely different that what we asked for. Then they give a new option to allow debate and these same folks will have the ability to choose a name that they want, without input from the membership.......and they wonder why they aren't getting new members.

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Old 03-21-2006, 10:08 AM   #133
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You know the process gets more and more bizzare. I sent a copy of this to our unit president and asked him if these folks proposing this are off their meds.
I think you have hit the proverbial "nail on the head" with your comment about informing your unit president. I don't think I would personally ask the "meds" question, but that is just me.

I think all unit presidents received a copy of the delegate name change motion options which I published a part of earlier in this thread. The important first step is that the word is spread to the unit presidents who, in turn, will inform their membership base so that everyone is aware of all the issues and can vote intelligently. My only other comment is don't assume anything and question everything.
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I think you have hit the proverbial "nail on the head" with your comment about informing your unit president. I don't think I would personally ask the "meds" question, but that is just me.
He knows me well enough that he knows where I am coming from.

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Old 03-21-2006, 12:12 PM   #135
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Really, the proper way to deal with this is NOT to amend or modify anything because it only dilutes the "No" vote and supports the "Yes" vote. The proper way to deal with this is to vote no on the motion at hand. Then if a new name is desired, make a motion and go through the process all over again.

For an issue that has been researched so well by the organization and the leadership is sure that this is a good enough name to send down to the troops, there is either a general lack of confidence in the name selected or the "Modify" item is a very well planned move to ensure that those who are on the fence really wind up supporting the name change unwittingly.

If you are not 100% sure on the name, Vote NO. If you don't understand or have questions, ask for more information. If you support the name change vote yes, but ONLY if AOAI is the name you want to now have. If the name you want is something else, vote NO.

In my dealings with an organization, before a motion is ever presented to the membership, all modifications are discussed and a final motion is what is sent down with no option to modify. if the content of the motion is not liked, a new motion is drafted, discussed and handed down. And the voting options are always either a Yes or a No, never a modify.
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Seems to me that for a club that is so concerned with following every rule to the letter, having an option to modify is out of character. It's so footloose and fancy free for them. They go through all this trouble to come up with a name, but then at the final showdown they might just change everything and the delegates will wing it and agree on sometehing that could be totally different. I wouldn't want to be one of the delegates behind a decision like that!

Seems to me it should just be YES or NO - no fiddling around with making up something else at the last minute.
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Old 03-21-2006, 08:39 PM   #137
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#3, modification of a motion...is always an option on every issue that is proposed.

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(3) Modify the Recommended Name to a different name decided by Delegate DebateThis is the first I have heard of "(3)" above where the name could change this year based on the results of a delegate debate. I wonder if a unit can vote against holding a delegate debate? I'm assuming yes based on the sentence: "Unit members need to provide the ability of their delegate to exercise/vote on this option". Has anyone heard anything else about this?
For example, last year at International, I was the DenCO Unit Delegate. The DenCO Unit submitted a motion proposing a change to the Bylaws regarding being "self-contained" as a stipulation of being WBCCI Members. Over 1/3 of our unit members own vintage trailers and pre-74 trailers do not all have grey water tanks, thus they technically could not be members of the WBCCI. This loop-hole in the Bylaws was a huge point for us!

Originally the motion was worded so it just eliminated the "self-contained" requirement. One of the biggest concerns at the discussion during the Delegates Meeting was that the majority supported non-fully self-contained vintage Airstreams being eligible for membership, but did not want to open the door to the semi-soft-sided or other non-self-contained products made by Airstream/Thor (like Base Camp & T@B) within the same motion.

Our intent for the motion was solely for vintage trailers, not new or future trailers, frankly those hadn't even been introduced when we originally submitted the motion with the IBT. Not that I have strong feelings one way or another regarding Base Camps or T@Bs, that's a separate issue. However, it became very clear, that in order to have our motion accepted, it needed to be modified and separated out in order to acheive our goal. So it was modified on the spot and re-submitted and worded with vintage trailers specifically in mind, 'pre-1975, non-fully self-contained, hard-sided Airstreams' (including those without grey &/or black water tanks) being eligible for membership.

This was not a huge deal and it followed the intent of our original motion so I backed the modification, it was resubmitted, discussed, voted on and it passed. I feel there is always room for modification...however, I also feel that the modification, at least in this case was very clearly just a clarification - not changing the original intent.

The subject of modifying a name change submission in the same motion probably wouldn't fly though, it didn't last year. Which is why it was broken out into the two parts we have here today: 1) should the name change? and 2) what to?

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Old 03-27-2006, 06:20 AM   #138
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Three options to vote on

After sorting through forum threads, websites and WBCCI correspondence, I've compiled a list of the three motions which our delegates will vote on at International this year:

1) Do we agree to change the Club’s name to AOAI (Airstream Owners Association International)?
2) If we agree to change the Club’s name to AOAI, do we adopt the new logo as defined by the IBT?
3) If we disagree to change the Club’s name to AOAI, do we allow our delegate to vote on a different name decided on by delegate debate?

These three options should be voted on at each unit's spring business meeting. Please let me know if this is not correct. Thanks!

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That is correct. The information handed down to the delegates with respect to this vote is available HERE.
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That is correct. The information handed down to the delegates with respect to this vote is available HERE.
Thanks for the confirmation! I did see your website last week, and the link you provided above, but I didn't see any information on the website concerning, "2) If we agree to change the Club’s name to AOAI, do we adopt the new logo as defined by the IBT?"

If the logo voting information is on your website, I must have overlooked it.
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