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Old 03-05-2007, 11:43 AM   #57
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Please don't judge the WBCCI from its squabbles

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We are new Airstream classic motorhome owners as of a month ago, and after seeing everything that is going on with the WBCCI, we want no part of it.
I agree with the previous replies. Please don't judge the WBCCI on the basis of the squabbles you see on the forums. These arguments take place here (and on the WBCCI forum) because there really isn't any other public arena for them.

If you join the WBCCI and go to some rallies I think you will find that you will be welcomed and that WBCCI politics is seldom if ever mentioned outside of business meetings--which you don't have to attend unless you want to. In general, our experience has been that the smaller rallies like unit and the smaller regional rallies are friendlier and more laid-back.

There are significant differences between units. I would suggest initially joining the WBCCI as a member at large, or better yet, as a member of the Washington DC Unit (WDCU) which is really a "virtual unit"--I don't know that they have any members in Washington, DC. WDCU unit dues are only a dollar a year so it's less expensive than joining as a member at large, and will also give you an opportunity to vote on issues like the non-AS motor home proposal. (Which is in all likelihood going to be rejected.) This will give you an opportunity to attend rallies of any unit you want and see if you want to join them either as an affiliate or as your primary unit.

WBCCI is really about meeting new friends and having fun together--politics only rears its ugly head occasionally. Unfortunately the non-Airstream motor home proposal is one of those occasions.

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Old 03-05-2007, 01:35 PM   #58
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Thanks, everyone, for the nice and informative responses to my earlier post. We got our 310 as a way to reduce some of the insane stress in both of our lives, and some of that stress had been brought on previously by my getting sucked into the politics of the clubs and organizations we belong to (past president of a Triumph club and our local water association, for example). It is hard for me to not get caught up in causes, and all we want to do with this is just enjoy camping time with like-minded folks, not be affected by the political issues within a club. That REALLY takes the joy out of it for us.

I will keep an open mind on the WBCCI and promise I will look into it again when the current angst has settled down.

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Old 03-05-2007, 01:43 PM   #59
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Susan,

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I will keep an open mind on the WBCCI and promise I will look into it again when the current angst has settled down.
In addition to which, in just two years your "tube" will be eligible for membership in the Vintage Airstream Club. (And your older trailer already is.) Now that's a fun organization!

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Old 04-02-2007, 10:24 PM   #60
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Looks like Metro Detroit's April newsletter is coming out for FourWinds Motorhomes at least from the Past International President and the current Unit President.

The Presidentís Corner By Maury Runyan
As March winds down into less then nine remaining days and with snowbirds slowly but steadily departing T. R. to head directly home or those who chose to meander on a more leisurely schedule, traveling north geared to the pace of good weather.
Meanwhile, I have been digesting the flurry of written material related to the Class A motorhome issue to be voted on at the Delegates meeting in Perry, Ga.
You may recall the "News and Rumors" article, written by an associate member, which appeared in the March "Newstream" has been challenged for accuracy by several members of our unit.
Three days ago my copy of the "Classic Airstream Club" newsletter arrived filed with five, count them 5, pages of reasons not to support the proposed motorhome vote to allow Four Winds Motorhomes to be branded as Airstream Edition. This article centered on several key areas, and questioned the quick survey conducted in late 2006 by unit presidents as requeted by a club officer as to the number of Class A Motorhomes in each unit owned by current members. The contention being, the survey was hasty, and should have gone into much more depth and detail, i.e. Do you plan to replace your current Airstream Motorhome, if so when? You could save thousands by having your current unit refurbished both as to interior and even powerplant and traindrive? Is the fuzzy thinking or what? We are talking about 860 Class A Motorhomes, 12 of which are affiliated with Metro-Detroit.
Much of this information and criticism has been posted and circulated on the internet. Remember, the Classic Club no doubt still regrets allowing the fiberglass motorhome into WBCCI!
So where does all this leave us? I know since our rejoining this club in 2002, we have witnessed a steady downward spiral in membership, which now hovers between six and seven thousand paid members.
Although our own unit board had not taken a stand on this issue at this time, it does indeed appear to this writer if this club is to survive a new source of members must be found. It should be obvious by now we cannot count on the Airstream Company to develop new products to enhance WBCCI membership. I know of no one planning to purchase a new "Base Camp" unit in order to join Metro-Detroit!
Our best experience in WBCCI had been the wonderful people we have met and traveled with over the past four years, as well as the formation of lasting friends in our unit, the Michigan unit, Mid-East unit and the VAC.
For once and for the sake of this well founded, long existing travel club letís pull thgether and support this proposal.
Have a safe trip heading back to Michigan Ė see you at shake down in May or at Region 4 in Ohio.
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The exective committee met with Larry Huttle of Airstream and Richard Regial of Thor to discuss the current situation with the motor home problem facing the members in WBCCI. They agreed to research this problem, and it came down from both Richard Regial Thor and Larry Huttle that the President of Four Winds Motor homes would agree to join into the club and furnish motor homes to WBCCI members.
Indication given by many is why not let any Thor produce in. Folks the reason if you did not know Airstream supports WBCCI in the name of about $100,000.00 per year. Four Winds Mfg has agreed to come aboard and support WBCCI to. Now if you open this club to any motor home has indicated, you would lost all the support from Airstream and Four Winds. This means the members would absorb any of that lost. That means that our dues will go up and you do the math on what that would be. Now talk about losing members you have nailed it.
This was an agreement with all three parties, Airstream, Thor (Four Winds Class A motor homes) and WBCCI International Board Trustees. Our constitution calls for a vote from the members to make a change in the constitution as you all know. If passed what does this do, it will increase membership, keep the folks in that have motor homes, and the part that was suggest there are a lot of new (2005) Airstream motor homes at dealers is not true, there are very few, and I wonder if the person making that state would buy a 2 or 3 year old model?
Four winds makes both pushers and gasoline motor homes, and I under stand they have about 30 or more floor plans, which Airstream did not? I am looking to save our club and the only way to do that is by having members. This bid to save Wally, I think is wrong, we are keeping the name and this just insure we keep it. Change is here, some of us donít like it, but we will have to learn to live with it.
I feel it is necessary that Metro Detroit and all other units vote yes in letting in these motor homes and lets save Wally if you will (Wally Byam Caravan Club International) and make this great club grow.
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I wish the Motorhome admendment would fail. It would push the old school out and make room for the new school.
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What a disappointment. I believe if this proposal passes it will mark the beginning of the end of the WBCCI / Airstream club. Too bad, I really love my local Unit and had hoped to fill my retirement years traveling with Airstreamers on Caravans.
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What a disappointment. I believe if this proposal passes it will mark the beginning of the end of the WBCCI / Airstream club. Too bad, I really love my local Unit and had hoped to fill my retirement years traveling with Airstreamers on Caravans.
It will not pass. I refuse to believe that two thirds of this club can be deluded into thinking that this is a good idea. And regardless of the outcome, we would be honored to accompany you and Leon and Patty and Rick and your parents and any other Airstreamer on any Caravan. Even if the IBT and WBCCI doesn't want anything to do with it due to possible liability issues.
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Old 04-03-2007, 10:57 AM   #64
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The line of reasoning expressed by "Wheel Interested" yesterday is exactly what separates us on this issue - and, no, there is really no legitimate reason why we have to make a change. The growth in popularity of Airstream is stronger than ever - and not solely because of WBCCI. I did not buy an Airstream to be associated with SOBs - but, rather, and, very emphatically, because there is no other brand that I have even the slightest affinity for! This is/was a personal decision and I choose to associate with others who share this almost inexplainable passion for Airstream. Only that passion justifys the price we pay and the commitment we make. There are literally dozens of clubs for SOBs - and some whose members are just as passionate. That's why it's such a great thing to live where we have choices and the freedom to make them. I, for one, don't want anyone else to mess with the choice I made! If you have arrived at a point in your life where a new motorhome is the only way to go - perhaps it's time to move on to a new group.
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I just received the April issue of the Blue Beret and read the "President's Corner. The implication of this editorial seems to be that, if the Motorhome issue is not resolved in favor of letting Four Winds motorhomes into the WBCCI, we will lose a vast majority of the members who volunteer and support the Club. Somehow the "common bond" we share has switched from the love of Airstreams and camping to the "personal relationships of members" and a devotion to the organization - no matter what form it takes! I sure as heck enjoy the relationship of fellow Airsteamers but, once again, it's the passion for Airstream itself that binds us. Does anyone seriously think for a moment that a bunch of passionate Hog owners would welcome rice burners into their club??? As for "volunteerism," I've never seen a more dedicated bunch of volunteers than those in the NEU! Further, if you follow the forum closely you'll find that there are many other units developing along the same line, with younger members and a tremendous spirit! Personally, I can't imagine that anyone who has the resources to buy a new motorhome (---and I hope like heck we're not thinking this move includes old Four Winds) doesn't have the gumption to consider restoring an older Airstream motorhome. If they simply have to have a new "whatever" they've obviously lost the passion.
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I heard that the motion was expanded to allow used Four Winds to join.

Cracker that is also why we joined WBCCI because it was an Airstream club. We have had other kinds of trailers before and never felt inclined to join a travel club. The WBCCI is unique with it's history and Airstream product. I am sure there would be Fourwinds owners that would not find the club any more appealing than the Airstreamers that leave or do not join. The problem isn't external as to who to get to be a member, the problem is internal as to who are members and how they function. CHANGE is needed, but now we are all busy trying to keep the club so there is something left to work on when we can get past this. Ideas from the IBT are anything, any wild hare, the name, the brand, anything but self examining. They like their life, their clique, their method of operation, when we ask for changes they decide to change the people under them to keep their course steady.
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Looking back at my comments, I just wanted to make it clear that I didn't mean to imply that the quotes you provided were yours!
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Yeah if I do sink with the ship, I want it to be with me mates. Thanks for clearing that up, Cracker. I posted those articles because I thought they were noteworthy since there has been little said in defense of the motion.

I find it interesting in Norm's article that the emphasis seems to be on financial support and dues collected. The forums rallies have proven that we can get together and pay as we go and have absolutely zero overhead for a great rally. Experiencing this first hand I cannot think of WBCCI as not being able to exist without these massive contributions from commercial supporters or raising the already high dues of the members. There is another solution and that is to look at the budget and the way club money is being utilized. For the average member, you get a Blue Beret and a member's index, if you are a rally volunteer or an officer there are perks up and down that require funding. This is what they are afraid of losing. Maybe we shouldn't have a teen queen prize of thousands and thousands of dollars, maybe there is a lot of fat to trim off, why not examine this before running scared and opening the club up to anyone with the price of dues.

In the Metro Detroit Presidents Corner 12 motorhome owners from the unit are numbered to be protected, at least one of these 12 owners has said publicly they do not support the new motion and for all we know the majority of the others may also prefer the Airstream only club they joined up for. Besides that the motorhome percentage has been inflated by the IBT to a higher percentage for support of the measure, it also falsely presumes that every member owning a motorhome would support the constitutional change and that is just not true. It is also not true that everyone of the motorhome owners will require new motorhomes, so this action really only represents benefits for a very very few, however the problem being is which few, the few that have control of this club.
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"I can't imagine that anyone who has the resources to buy a new motorhome (---and I hope like heck we're not thinking this move includes old Four Winds) doesn't have the gumption to consider restoring an older Airstream motorhome."


I should think that a guy who can buy a $250K motorhome certainly wouldn't want to waste his time fixing up a 30-60 year old travel trailer or a 25 year old motorhome. If you've got the bread for a brand new one, why waste your time patching up some "old junker?"

I paid $2500 for my trailer. Several people told me it was a hunk of junk. But to me, I saw an easel I could make a masterpiece on. Body was perfect and interior not too bad. And, even doing a total rebuild like I plan, I doubt if I put more than an additional $10K into it (plus my sweat equity). That's chump change to a guy who can buy a new 40' diesel pusher.

I have no beef against motorhome guys. I wouldn't mind having one myself. But, I think it's two different worlds; the guys who fix up a 30 year old rig vs. the guys who buy a new one for the price of a house.

Can they coexist in the same club? I don't know. Maybe. But it would seem to me that if you take away the common thread of a club, then you've changed the club. So, the majority needs to figure out if they want to change the club or not. I think that's the real question.

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I should think that a guy who can buy a $250K motorhome certainly wouldn't want to waste his time fixing up a 30-60 year old travel trailer or a 25 year old motorhome. If you've got the bread for a brand new one, why waste your time patching up some "old junker?"...


Agreed---but if that's where you are in life perhaps you belong with others of a like mindset - i.e., owners of $250,000 plus motorhomes. Again, it's the "passion" thing - it's why guys like Jay Leno go GaGa buying and fixing up antique automobiles; it's why people buy old rotten yachts and spend a fortune restoring them. IMHO it's that "passion" thing about our Airstreams that we're fighting to protect. If we give up the "exclusivity" of the WBCCI the loss of passion will follow. Why is that so difficult for some to understand? Could it be that the "perks" that come with being a high echelon "unpaid volunteer" (i.e. - Officer ofWBCCI) are partially to blame? Has the Pomp and Circumstance become the more important thing?
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