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Old 02-14-2007, 03:42 PM   #43
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Has Thor/AS done any market research to see if there'd be an interest in bringing back the "classic" looking motorhomes? Maybe I'm over simplifying here, but why couldn't they take a 34' shell and put a nose plug on it and have a new super touring motohome that looks like the vintage trailers? I would think they'd appeal to the Hollywood set if nothing else.
While Airstream is a division of Thor Industries, it is allowed to operate pretty much autonomously. It isn't Thor's normal process to be involved in making Airstream decisions on a daily basis.

A few years ago Airstream did exactly what you have pondered. They went so far as to have the technology for a fancy aluminum vacuum forming process developed for the intricate parts and, IIRC, may have even built a new facility or renovated an existing one or something to be dedicated to the "New Classic" motorhome. The new Classic Motor Home was very sharp. The mock-ups showed that it wasn't a re-introduction of the original, but it was a reinvention of the original. This wasn't too long after the new Class A was introduced. But less than a year before going into production Airstream pulled the plug on the whole project and said it was still on the drawing boards if they decided to green light the project at some time in the future.

One scenario said this new vacuum forming process proved to be too expensive. Another said the whole concept was too expensive. Another said there wasn't enough market for an all aluminum bodied Class A. Another said the building that would have housed the new Classic line was damaged/distroyed in a fire. Yet another said the new Classic would have been too expensive to find a market and the most believable one, IMHO, said that Airstream came to the conclusion that they wanted out of the motor home market altogether. Which is the most accurate? I haven't a clue.
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Old 02-14-2007, 05:00 PM   #44
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New Classic would have been cool

That's really too sad about the new classic motorhomes. I bet they would have been really nice.

I know Jackson Center did have a fire some time ago. I'd called out there to get some information (I don't recall what) on my '77 and they said the records had been lost in a fire.


To keep prices reasonable, though, why couldn't they just mate a travel trailer's upper shell onto a motorhome chassis. Then just develop a new front end. They could build the shells on the same bucks they do the trailers on.

The truth, sadly, is that there probably isn't enough market out there to justify building them. They would have to cost a lot more than the trailers, which already cost a lot. And anyone other than a hard core airstream addict would probably rationalize that a SOB Class A is more bang for the buck. Honestly, I've seen some really nice Class A's. Not just Prevosts, but I've seen some superb looking units for "only" $180K

Of course I paid "only" $2.5K for my rig After I put $10K more in it, I'll have what I think is swank for my uses...
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Old 02-14-2007, 05:00 PM   #45
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I would think that Airstream and it's workers and production department must have been very disappoiinted not to have been able to go forward with the anniversary year's cool new reinvented motorhome as planned. I believe it was mentioned by Larry Huttle at the IBT Rally, that in the space that was to be the housing for the new motorhome division, a complex of Thor Corporate offices will be erected instead.

I don't know, would Thor see a much better bottom line selling Class As to the WBCCI then spending money to get money back on Airstream motorhomes when they already have many different motorhome facilities at their disposal? Does Thor care about the pride of Airstream workmanship and design or did they just scoop up an iconic rv manufacturer and apply pressure to compete with numbers of its other lines?
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Old 02-14-2007, 06:48 PM   #46
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Unhappy Airstream and MOHOs

Airstream thought they could sell 5th wheels because it was a hot mareket at the time. Then a few years later they thought the same thing about the big MH market. I'm not sure they had that much problem with the classic MHs. IMHO basically the Airstream owners (I read somewere that 70% of their overall sales were to WBCCI members?) didn't want to buy 5th wheels and for the most part the big boxes (possibly a lot due to the prices) and the non WBCCI people, not being brand loyal, found much better bargains with other brands.
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Old 02-14-2007, 09:23 PM   #47
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Sorry folks. I guess I lost track of where I was way off topic here
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Were you Tom? I didn't think so. I think we are all trying to guess just what motivated the WBCCI leaders into introducing the motion to allow other brand motorhomes into the club. I think anything that could possibly shed some light on just how we got to the point where we are today is topical.

It is so peculiar to so many. The motorhome owners would not be forced to leave, if 800 members already own Airstream motorhomes, why do they need non-Airstream motorhomes the year Airstream stops making them? Why would letting Thor products into the club be a membership boon? Perhaps we are stunned and trying to work through this but also thinking it is time to defend our club. I'm not off topic am I? This is the place where we came to post about the WBCCI the club that is and has been for over 50 years an Airstream only club, right?
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As an owner of a 2003 land yacht 396XL, I never got a survey and you all know by now, I am totally opposed to the amendment to allow SOB's in the WBCCI. I also stated before, that if all MH's were banned from the WBCCI, I would miss all the friends we have made, but would understand.
The Airstream name is synonymous with the trailers and most motorhomes are just an afterthought, but we have a great club open to us that trailer owners do not. The IBT I feel are dedicated, but too many ex-military or retired school personel who are used to giving out orders without much rebuttal.
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bfred, I too oppose the amendment, but I would hate to see a ban on motorhomes, land yachts or classics. These were made by Airstream and, IMHO, deserve to be in the WBCCI. But it is the Four Winds motorhomes that I don't think should be allowed into the club.
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Old 03-04-2007, 07:48 PM   #51
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Thumbs down Invalid

Back to the original post, the motion may be invalid for another reason. Am I wrong or did the maker of this motion refer to the membership in the "Airstream RV Owners Association"? If so, this motion would not apply to the membership of the WBCCI since there is no ARVOA, altho apparently Mr. Emlinger would like there to be
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We are new Airstream classic motorhome owners as of a month ago, and after seeing everything that is going on with the WBCCI, we want no part of it. We had heard of it a long time ago and thought it was very cool, but it looks like it has broken down, some very irregular things are being done, and the original purpose has been lost or superseded.

We would enjoy a club that accepts our classic motorhome, but the joy we would get from it is from being with people who have machines and trailers similar to ours, not in the big fiberglass apartments on wheels. Airstream has something very original and unique with their campers, and that kind of club is what we would have enjoyed participating in.

Oh well. Guess we'll just go on doing our own thing, enjoying the heck out of our unique dream machine!

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We are new Airstream classic motorhome owners as of a month ago, and after seeing everything that is going on with the WBCCI, we want no part of it. We had heard of it a long time ago and thought it was very cool, but it looks like it has broken down, some very irregular things are being done, and the original purpose has been lost or superseded.

We would enjoy a club that accepts our classic motorhome, but the joy we would get from it is from being with people who have machines and trailers similar to ours, not in the big fiberglass apartments on wheels. Airstream has something very original and unique with their campers, and that kind of club is what we would have enjoyed participating in.

Oh well. Guess we'll just go on doing our own thing, enjoying the heck out of our unique dream machine!

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The WBCCI that many of us are rallying for is the one that you speak of here in your post.

I, personally, am sorry that you feel discouraged the way you do. But, based on the current goings-on of the club, I can understand your dismay and discouragement.

It is precisely members of your integrity that we need in the group to help us ensure that the ideals of Wally Byam stand true and prosper. I hope that you will reconsider your decision. There are many Units around the U.S. that feel the same way that you do and are working to change things accordingly.

It would be great to see pics of your rig and keep us posted of your adventures, here on the forums.

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Back to the original post, the motion may be invalid for another reason. Am I wrong or did the maker of this motion refer to the membership in the "Airstream RV Owners Association"? If so, this motion would not apply to the membership of the WBCCI since there is no ARVOA, altho apparently Mr. Emlinger would like there to be

Ya know, tincantom, I was wondering the same thing myself.

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We are new Airstream owners also. We did however join WBCCI and I recommend it. It certainly has its issues. Doesn't any large organization? But if we all just throw up our hands and never have our voices heard, how will it ever improve? No matter what issues you find with the club, there is no comparison to pulling up and seeing hundreds of airstreams and airstreamers all in one place! If enjoying people with similar rigs is something you enjoy, I recommend giving it a try. You will not find a nicer group of people anywhere. Except maybe on this forum, but then again, they are Airstreamers also!
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I agree with you Swapbillies. I guess that is why we joined the WBCCI last year. I knew there was an issue about the name change and as a new member I stayed out of it. Actually, I waited until after the International to join so I wouldn't be in the fray. Anyway, I didn't want to wait until the organization changed to the demographics I wanted to become a member to join. I would have been waiting a long time and would have missed a lot of opportunities if I had. I would have also missed the opportunity to be a part of the process of the changes that will be coming down the pike if the WBCCI is to survive and grow its membership.

I don't think change will come fast, but I think it will experience a metamorphosis over the next 10 years if it is to survive and I really don't think allowing SOB's into the club is a part of that metamorphosis. If it is, then I think I will rethink my membership.

I think as a corporate body, we have to draw a line in the sand and say "Airstream products on our side and SOB's on the other!" I also think that there will be no significant growth and no change for the better until the internal strife ends and the IBT stops with these divisive motions that serve nothing to benefit the club and much to divide the club. "A house divided cannot stand."
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