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Old 02-24-2010, 12:58 PM   #15
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Old 02-24-2010, 01:05 PM   #16
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In the latest round of WBCCI blunders, it looks like the Blue Beret will be published online... Big Deal you say??? Well, yes! Here is what happened. Some Web Design Firm called Richardson Media & Publishing LLC. is publishing the Blue Beret on online using the totally free service ISSUU (we have used this service to publish all sorts of publication work we have been involved with). Their name is plastered at the bottom of the web page - where have we seen THAT before?

The point being that I am guessing that WBCCI is paying Richardson a hefty $$$ to buy a domain name and put together a page using free online services just to publish a document that nobody will care one iota about - the Blue Beret. Total expendse to Richardson - less than $150 per year., Cost to WBCCI??? $15,000????

This is a joke - if this is the new marketing $$$$ the leadership of WBCCI agreed to spend, they are getting savagely ripped off by Richardson.
ISSUU is a free service that WBCCI could have set up for free (ok that is redundant).
President Tom Collier sells this a s a member benefit to the Florida State Rally - but this "out of the box" thinking actually cost the club money....

In our business, we have used this free service to provide publications to prospective clients - free... The operative word here is FREE - no design services needed to put it together.
This, like WBCCI's forums, misses the mark and could have been done with NO EXPENSE for the club and its members. But rest assured - you are paying for this.

Ask Tom this question, how much did you pay for this service???? Hosted off "The Planet" via virtualtoolset.com (This is the same service the WBCCI Forums Administrator said was hosted off the cost of Africa". We are talking bargain basement hosting here! The goal - trying to get Members to get the BB online for free without receiving a paper copy. The members will see no reduction in their dues but WBCCI will see the savings (beyond what they are paying to have this hosted for them).

This is another case of WBCCI lipstick on a pig - like WBCCI's other web forays - somebody is making money but WBCCI will see no benefit. They, like the membership will just write a check for an idea that has not been researched, for a design that denies the WBCCI identity....

BTW - in case you are wondering about Richardson Media's many awards - they are all from the Texas Chamber of Commerce. Getting an award from a chamber of commerce is like taking candy from a baby. This is not much more than seeing a web site promote another (where have we seen that before).

WBCCI members - enjoy seeing your membership dollars at work.
OK, so they are dolts.
However - they are trying (I know you're saying "very trying" under your breath.)

I'm ready to put the black tape across my WBCCI numbers - but gawd I'll miss the fun at the rare WDCU rallies I'm able to attend! I share with you the frustration of seeing the IBT piss away the club's money and defame or ignore any "younger" member who wants to make changes to the status quo.

On the other hand, they are at least making a fumbling, inept TRY with this one thing. I own a business and If you knew how many times we'd paid too much for "emerging technology" that went to dead end technology within 18 months, you'd cry. People make mistakes.

I'm not EXCUSING the IBT - they are high-handed, they talk only to God (but rarely appear to listen to him) and they don't even pretend to be cutting edge - but all volunteer leaders find that in the minds of their organizations they rarely if ever do anything right. It's like being the principal of a high school - no one likes you, everyone thinks you're the north end of a south bound horse, and everyone thinks you're a dolt, but it is your thankless job to be the point man.

These guys need to be gently dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century; but why clobber them for the first vaguely correct thing they've attempted? Make your point with civility and with the helpful idea of decreasing the terrible deficit - and find a way to make every member of WBCCI aware of how that deficit happened and how the Cost Flaw in this idea is going to contribute to rather than reduce the deficit. Your points are all well taken. I understand that you're fed up and beyond. I also think it would be more productive to lead the masses to your point of view of "Let the Sun Shine In on the IBT Court of the Star Chamber".

Flaming vs. Fixing!

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Old 02-24-2010, 01:19 PM   #17
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Not many ways he can offer help when he's been blocked from the club's official website. And I recall that he offered to help back when that website was set up but was roundly rejected.

As for "trying", do you get credit for trying when you put diesel into your gas tank when you've run out of gas? Or does a scout get credit for trying when he leads his party deeper into the woods once he knows he's lost? Is it really "trying" when you randomly make one guess after another without doing the work of research?

Sorry. But the benefit of the doubt gets used up after awhile.

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I'm ready to put the black tape across my WBCCI numbers - but gawd I'll miss the fun at the rare WDCU rallies I'm able to attend!
Paula... miss what? Several hundred fun people including many of the "funest" WDCU'ers will be bashing in Central NY this June... all with out any need to send $65 to the IBT. Many more events will be planned. No need to miss the fun, even without the BIG RED NUMBERS.

BTW, have you gotten your TAC number yet? I'm WI-1... wave when you see us headed down the road.
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Old 02-24-2010, 06:35 PM   #19
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Not many ways he can offer help when he's been blocked from the club's official website. And I recall that he offered to help back when that website was set up but was roundly rejected.

As for "trying", do you get credit for trying when you put diesel into your gas tank when you've run out of gas? Or does a scout get credit for trying when he leads his party deeper into the woods once he knows he's lost? Is it really "trying" when you randomly make one guess after another without doing the work of research?

Sorry. But the benefit of the doubt gets used up after awhile.

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Pat - yes and no - I was a volunteer but after a time, I was not kept in the loop as to what was going on. Once I was informed enough about what was going on I decided to leave, however in round about ways I was invited back by the committee chair. My opposition to the way things were done were specific because they took the control and oversight away from WBCCI and put it in the hasnds of a 3rd party commercial vendor who stands to profit from the exposure WBCCI offers this individual. But, yes, because of that opposition, I was very intentionally excluded from properly accessing the forums.
Now, about the latest folly - WBCCI has had the opportunity to take control of ALL of its web assets - site, forums - everything under its control on its server and, using a team of WBCCI volunteers could manage all of those assets itself at a dramatic cost savings and have all of it overseen by committee.
But, what has just been done? Some design company (wanna bet that it is a friend of a WBCCI member or a WBCCI member) has gone out, bought a domain name which denies the Wally Byam name (when was the last time that happened), and is hosting the Blue Beret online using a free service Issuu. The site hosting is likely NOT under the control of WBCCI but rather WBCCI is dependent on this provider to maintain the site. It is a fragmented effort like the forums in that they are apart from the WBCCI umbrella. And best of all, unless this was another "free" donation (remember, nothing is ever really free, is it) it likely cost the club over $1000.
So, which part is it a good idea? When will WBCCI really wake up and do what is in the best interest of the club? I don't know... I just know it is wrong.
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Old 02-24-2010, 07:13 PM   #20
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Not many ways he can offer help when he's been blocked from the club's official website. And I recall that he offered to help back when that website was set up but was roundly rejected.

As for "trying", do you get credit for trying when you put diesel into your gas tank when you've run out of gas? Or does a scout get credit for trying when he leads his party deeper into the woods once he knows he's lost? Is it really "trying" when you randomly make one guess after another without doing the work of research?

Sorry. But the benefit of the doubt gets used up after awhile.

Pat
You are right... you've been in the trenches, I've been pretty much on the sidelines dancing with sailors at the USO for my contribution. Big difference in experience. I'd just like to see us all get along... but it's probably unrealistic. If we can get TAC to 500 members that would be the kind of "gentle pursuasion" that would make the IBT see reality.

Old story - a man was having a terrible time trying to get his mule to behave well. The mule was being well, mulish. An old friend with many years experience walked up and said, "Son, let me show you how to encourage your mule, you have to use gentleness, kindness and careful pursuasion." The young man stepped back and handed the reins to the older man who took them firmly, walked up to the mule and hit it squarely in the forehead so hard that the mule's legs buckled. Then he kindly, gently and pursuasively said, "Now, come along there mule." And the mule obeyed. The younger man was aghast. He said, "I thought you said you were going to use gentle pursuasion!" The older man replied, "Well I did say that, and was gentle... but FIRST you have to get their ATTENTION."


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Old 02-24-2010, 09:51 PM   #21
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Paula,

You are 100% correct and I for one believe that we can get along. I get along with most of my fellow WBCCI members - well, at least the ones I have met. I do not want folks to confuse an opposition to a move as not getting along. My vitriol (somebody filed a grievance on me for using this word) is towards in-congruent actions like filing a Cease and Desist action against a member of the club for a published web site that honors the positive actions of the units of WBCCI, but then works to hide that identity when trying to bring a positive light to its monthly club newsletter.
It just doesn't make sense....
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It just doesn't make sense....
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It makes sense for the folks pocketing the money. ;-)
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Old 02-25-2010, 08:45 AM   #23
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I'm ready to put the black tape across my WBCCI numbers - but gawd I'll miss the fun at the rare WDCU rallies I'm able to attend! I share with you the frustration of seeing the IBT piss away the club's money and defame or ignore any "younger" member who wants to make changes to the status quo.
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Your dues are paid for this year but don't let that delay your taping your numbers. Make the statement now so others will follow. You will see mine taped at the Cherry Blossom and as I go down the road. They will remain taped until the year ends or there is significant changes.

Several members wore Black Arm Bands at Sarasota and Tom C was disturbed. We will get our points across if we work together.

As for Changes I think you will see an avenue for change announced in the near term
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Now that I am a TAC member I will take the high road and not the WBCCI on the airforums.
But I still am not a happy camper with them.
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Here are mine. Widest black tape I had on hand. Only one member has seen them so far; no comment from him.
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Took my red numbers off today, and noticed how cleaner the lines of the coach looked. I am tempted to make some sort of peevish, immature and regrettable comment about the desirability of "Baldness", but I shall restrain myself from something so jejune...

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Old 02-27-2010, 12:25 PM   #27
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Is it true that the "club" is being sued? If true, why has the leadership not told us. After all the club is us. Wonder what our liability is if they lose - don't think insurance covers mismanagement or abuse of power. An if they lose and if the insurance does not cover it, who pays? With all of the snow around here, don't have much to do except wonder about those things.
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