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Old 02-11-2010, 01:34 PM   #15
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Buttercup, thats so sad, I thought it is beneath someone in the club to do this harassment.The War is just starting, the guillotine is coming down.
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Old 02-11-2010, 01:58 PM   #16
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See - SEE - SEEEEE!!!

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O.K. there is something going on here. I just got a call from an unidentified man (the 3rd I have received from him). He calls on an unlisted number, will not identify himself and he tells me (yesterday) that I am going to be kicked out of the club. He states that there is some sort of new list, which he has just happened to see, that is for disgruntled members and my name is on it. He says then that I am going to get kicked out.... He sounds just like Jim Franklin to tell you the truth, I will always remember that "Stand Down" order he gave my wife at the delegates meeting. That voice is burned in my brain.

Today he calls again, just minutes ago, he again will not identify himself and says "You see what happened to Leo, you are next". He tells me to quit today (why should I if I am going to be kicked out anyway).

I have no idea what is going on with Leo but I am assuming it is not good news for Leo.

If WBCCI wants us out, they need not worry - we have no intention of renewing our 3 memberships - period. End of discussion...

I do, however, have a real issue with someone who is apparently "In the know" placing anonymous calls threatening me. That is so chicken "you know what" to do that. It seems apparent that there are a lot of back door conversations and activities going on within the organization, most of which likely violates the club's own bylaws and constitution.

Message to WBCCI - you want me out - just ask.... But ask me to my face, identify yourself, you do not have to hide behind a "Mystery Man".
WOW - Resign now... do not give them the satisifaction of getting their way... others should follow.. they want QUALITY - give them QUALITY... a chicken **** quality...

Man, they took your money though, didn't they.. I wonder, if the mystery man is correct, if you will get YOUR $$$$ back... I bet not - they need mileage money.


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Buttercup, isn't what that person did illegal? Could you file a report with the police? That seems like something verging on harassment. Seems to me that the police could check phone records and lay charges.
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Did you say you recorded it and can it be traced? This is rich. Almost too good to be hoped for.


No, no, no, no, no, no, no! They want you out is quite besides the point. Someone has just handed you the keys to the kingdom. Work on it. I wonder who it is that would be vocal enough and has enough gall to speak so foolishly? This should be in the scandal sheets and live on Fox. I guess WBCCI is fun afterall.

Resign my foot. This is just getting good Tim. You have them, don't let them off the hook so easily. Threats? Get all the documentation you can. Oust this self inportant above the rules administration once and for all!


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O.K. there is something going on here. I just got a call from an unidentified man (the 3rd I have received from him). He calls on an unlisted number, will not identify himself and he tells me (yesterday) that I am going to be kicked out of the club. He states that there is some sort of new list, which he has just happened to see, that is for disgruntled members and my name is on it. He says then that I am going to get kicked out.... He sounds just like Jim Franklin to tell you the truth, I will always remember that "Stand Down" order he gave my wife at the delegates meeting. That voice is burned in my brain.

Today he calls again, just minutes ago, he again will not identify himself and says "You see what happened to Leo, you are next". He tells me to quit today (why should I if I am going to be kicked out anyway).

I have no idea what is going on with Leo but I am assuming it is not good news for Leo.

If WBCCI wants us out, they need not worry - we have no intention of renewing our 3 memberships - period. End of discussion...

I do, however, have a real issue with someone who is apparently "In the know" placing anonymous calls threatening me. That is so chicken "you know what" to do that. It seems apparent that there are a lot of back door conversations and activities going on within the organization, most of which likely violates the club's own bylaws and constitution.

Message to WBCCI - you want me out - just ask.... But ask me to my face, identify yourself, you do not have to hide behind a "Mystery Man".
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No, Rob - if they want me out, let them say it to my face.

I think the reality is this - if I am going to be kicked out, on what basis? I have no actions against me that I know of (other than the Cease and Desist letter), Although I have had a grievance filed against me, it was dismissed.
The Mystery Caller kept telling me to resign today - he said it over and over despite the fact that I said that we were not going to renew. I have the impression that someone finds my presence in the club an irritant and a deterrent to a "quality membership.
Like I said, you want ME gone - just ask me. Tell me to my face that my contributions to WBCCI and the VAC are substandard to your "Quality" desires and my wife and I will be gone. just ask...

It did not record it - it was on my cell phone and likely not an ileagal activity as my life was not threatened. It was just an old man who was somewhat breathless in his excitement harassing me. Too scared to identify himself. What quality of person is that?
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Ok, in all honesty, I just went through all 51 pages and counted roughly 15 posts that Leo posted. My take is different, but I will agree it's unfortunate. Not sure I would compare it to Hugo Chavez, but that's the beauty of owning your own forum, you get to say whatever you want to say.

Hey and I'm not defending anything here. I'm simply calling it like I see it. I don't have to defend it cause I have no dog in this race. Everything I've stated is what is out there for anyone to see and left for the reader to draw their own conclusions from.... if some of my opinions get mixed in, take it at face value cause opinions are like behinds, everyone has got one....
Your motives are EXTREMELY suspect.... You obviously read a different book than most because Leo's message was VERY clear. He stated it over and over and over. Work from within. Now he will be working from the outside and no longer as an ally.

Leo, If you want to take them to court, I have $200 towards your legal fund.
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It would be a charge of harrasment only after 3 consecutive like calls.Then file a police report. Also a stalking charge to boot.a felony now in most states.
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I think AndyR is on to something ,maybe the "Beret's " are the problem Red or Blue maybe there on too "Tight"!
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Yes, make them kick ya!!!

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No, Rob - if they want me out, let them say it to my face.

I think the reality is this - if I am going to be kicked out, on what basis? I have no actions against me that I know of (other than the Cease and Desist letter), Although I have had a grievance filed against me, it was dismissed.
The Mystery Caller kept telling me to resign today - he said it over and over despite the fact that I said that we were not going to renew. I have the impression that someone finds my presence in the club an irritant and a deterrent to a "quality membership.
Like I said, you want ME gone - just ask me. Tell me to my face that my contributions to WBCCI and the VAC are substandard to your "Quality" desires and my wife and I will be gone. just ask...

It did not record it - it was on my cell phone and likely not an ileagal activity as my life was not threatened. It was just an old man who was somewhat breathless in his excitement harassing me. Too scared to identify himself. What quality of person is that?
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It did not record it - it was on my cell phone and likely not an ileagal activity as my life was not threatened. It was just an old man who was somewhat breathless in his excitement harassing me. Too scared to identify himself. What quality of person is that?
Never mind illegal, how does that measure up to the code of ethics and the ever decreasing morale and confidence of the general membership of WBCCI IBT or EC7 in particular??!!! Greivience, on them not you! Everything you and Leo have represented since the conception of Save Wally, the membership's advocacy group, is the absolute truth that I myself would swear to after following the particulars for so many years. Do not tire out now. No one can deny they are listening and you are standing on their last nerve left. There is not too much more they could possibly do to escape detection and scorn.
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Can someone tell those of us who are "not in the know" what this is all about please? Obviously more WBCCI drama happening around us. Who is "Leo G" and what was he terminated from?

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Leo is the chief bottlewasher of Save Wally. Tim is partner and the web master of the Save Wally team. It was founded to increase member awareness and stop the leadership from throwing away the WBCCI's club name and was successful. Then Save Wally also led the defense to stop other brands of RVs into the exclusive Airstream club. Leo has run from the floor as a candidate and done well for two or more years but has not succeeded in getting past the "nominating committee's" candidates while the IBT has recanted and rescinded rules for the sole purpose of excluding his coverage in the BB and obstructing his e-mails to regions and units and their members and supported various grievances filed against him to stop his progress in challenging the current leadership. None of these many grievances against Leo, or Bob T, the region president, or Tim, have been filed from a member of WBCCI but all have come from the top down!!!
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Is this true? No way. Leo's been the "Stay WBCCI" voice - don't they get it?...

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Any possibility of an emergency interview with Leo on theVAP?

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Here's what I recall happened.

Leo was on probation for doing something but really nothing other than supporting the club as a past unit president.

At the last IBT in June some darling wife of a guy by the name of Stumpe I believe a unit pres. tossed a BIG cup of iced tea in Leo's face or on his head.

Leo being a gentleman didn't run off and file a grievance against her as I would have, he shrugged it off.

Later last year he was on probation for supporting the club and voicing his opinions.

Mr. Stumpe filed another baseless grievance against Leo knowing he was on probation.

A hearing was requested via teleconference.

Now he declined to attend a teleconference on this grievance since there was nothing in the Bylaws, constitution or Roberts Rules indicating such a proceeding.

He was following the rules, the committee allegedly was not.

Leo stood his ground and was terminated.

IMO Leo should sue the club and get a real Court to explain how the rules of the club should apply.
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