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Old 06-08-2010, 07:29 PM   #29
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Did any EC7 member make it to one of your Unit Rallies this year? Any idea how much the club's membership reimbursed that officer for their attendance?

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We did get a region VP at our unit rally. guess that is not EC7 though.

My guess is we got the VP because the region 6 prez only had $2.00 left in his travel budget at the end of march
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Old 06-08-2010, 07:36 PM   #30
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The questions to the editor that are chosen to be published and answered in the Blue Beret are carefully selected to advance the leadership's agendas.
But there was no letter in the last issue, but apparently a library of letters to be used in future issues.

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Old 06-08-2010, 08:23 PM   #31
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Can you believe I only got ONE copy of the IP's newsletter today. Others got FOUR -- I only got one...
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Interesting Leo.
Only members got that Newsletter one per membership.

And I did not get one.
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Old 06-08-2010, 08:49 PM   #32
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That was payback for being a bad boy using their list
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Old 06-08-2010, 10:47 PM   #33
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But, is that what we paid?

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Cindy sent me a note saying she saved 30% off the regular rate because we are non-profit. From their website, it looks like we paid $35 for the two e-mails they have sent out so far this month. That amounts to $0.005 per email delivered. Fred is handling it but Jackson center knows about what he is sending out.
Yes, but how much did we pay REALLY? IF Fred sent that message out himself, that would be one thing. BUT, If Fred forwarded it to his son's firm to produce graphics and format it and THEN send it out, what was THAT cost?

I, for one, find it disturbing to potentially see another example of someone benefiting from the club - but in this case, not directly like the WBCCI Forums owner but the family member of a Committee Chair (and former owner of the business).

At want point can the members take this stuff over and contribute without the need to get some kind of benefit from WBCCI in return as a compensation.
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Old 06-09-2010, 05:35 AM   #34
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Send Cindy an e-mail (with carbons to Tom and Norm) directly asking her to supply you with the total cost of the two ads. The agency did not do much to reformat Tom's letter. They used the same graphics & Word file and just rearranged it into one column instead of two for easier reading on the net. I could have done in in less than 15 mins. I am not aware of what Cindy supplied them as original material for the trailer ad, but it would have taken me less than an hour to put it together.
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Old 06-09-2010, 06:23 AM   #35
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We and many others had already received this letter last week through our Unit, as was the direction on the newsletter that it be distributed to every member.

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Old 06-09-2010, 06:40 AM   #36
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We and many others had already received this letter last week through our Unit, as was the direction on the newsletter that it be distributed to every member.

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Some units are more with it than others. The TN unit has yet to forward one of these letters. of course to be fair I don't know if it was ever passed to them from the region prez.

I did get a link to it from the TCPC airstream campground, and of course the mass mailing.
The mass mailing makes a lot more sense than expecting the region and unit presidents to distribute it. Why have over 100 people involved in what one can do?
Could the Defend Wally mailing have given a wake up call??
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Old 06-09-2010, 07:00 AM   #37
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Some units are more with it than others. The TN unit has yet to forward one of these letters. of course to be fair I don't know if it was ever passed to them from the region prez.

I did get a link to it from the TCPC airstream campground, and of course the mass mailing.
The mass mailing makes a lot more sense than expecting the region and unit presidents to distribute it. Why have over 100 people involved in what one can do?
Could the Defend Wally mailing have given a wake up call??
Our concern with this coming through the Marketing committee is the funneling of dues monies to a member, who then funnels it on to his son's agency--which he used to own and may still derive financial benefit from.

We were at the mid-winter IBT meeting in January, and it was not a secret that the motion Fred Richardson made for allocation of marketing monies was targeted for his son's agency---which had formerly been Fred's. He asked for it formally and then received it, as simple as that---all the discussion had occurred behind the scenes.

And this within the context/current state of affairs of WBCCI, where there are many talented members who could do this same task without compensation.

This is all rather disturbing to us, having worked for a state bureaucracy for 25 years.

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Old 06-09-2010, 01:20 PM   #38
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Our concern with this coming through the Marketing committee is the funneling of dues monies to a member, who then funnels it on to his son's agency--which he used to own and may still derive financial benefit from.
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Maggie I agree with your concerns.

I am not particularly concerned about the nepotism aspect as long as the marketing people in the firm are competent and I have no reason to think they aren't.

What I question is whether there is a need for a professional marketing firm at all.
The club had managed to put the Blue Beret in .PDF format at wbcci.org and it worked fine. Why do we have to pay for another web site and all the fancy page flipping stuff.

I am sure the club could use member talent for other marketing moves also.
The best marketing tool the club has would be the members themselves. If they are satisfied with the club they will talk it up and bring in new members.

This is a #5k expenditure this year and $15k next year.

The problem is NOT attracting new members. It is keeping the existing members.
I think it was Frank Yensan that said they should ring the bell at the international for 2nd timers instead of first timers.. Something to think about
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Old 06-09-2010, 02:51 PM   #39
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Old 06-09-2010, 03:12 PM   #40
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On the average, people can expect to be campers till they are 75. Currently the club principally provides activities that can be be utilized by newly retired people. Therefore, we can expect the average life expectancy in the club to be 10 years. Even if the members were satisfied with the current benefit package and activities the club should expect to lose 5 -10% of our current members each year. If they have a profession such as teachers that get the summer off and join at an earlier age, we can expect them to last 20 years. We need to attract replacement people in the same amount. We need to offer a benefit package and activities that will attract these newer generation RVers. Since we have never conducted a survey of what these potential members might want to join the club, our leadership is at a complete loss as to what to do to stop the continual shrinking of the club. We are now reaching a tipping point in our membership and our income can not keep up with the benefit costs all our leaders expect to collect for their years of membership, plus the $200,000 cost of maintaining our Headquarters staff. If we do not find a way to provide a new benefit and activity package to attract this newer generation of RVers, we will be bankrupt in five years.
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Maggie I agree with your concerns.

I am not particularly concerned about the nepotism aspect as long as the marketing people in the firm are competent and I have no reason to think they aren't.

They may well be competent. It seems to be an income-generating-out-of-membership-dues thing, for a member/his family, from a club that has some other, serious expenditure questions.

What I question is whether there is a need for a professional marketing firm at all.

Well, yes, that was my point, exactly.

The club had managed to put the Blue Beret in .PDF format at wbcci.org and it worked fine. Why do we have to pay for another web site and all the fancy page flipping stuff.

Exactly.

I am sure the club could use member talent for other marketing moves also.
The best marketing tool the club has would be the members themselves. If they are satisfied with the club they will talk it up and bring in new members.

This is a #5k expenditure this year and $15k next year.

Yes.

The problem is NOT attracting new members. It is keeping the existing members.
I think it was Frank Yensan that said they should ring the bell at the international for 2nd timers instead of first timers.. Something to think about
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From a communication from Fred Richardson thru Cindi Reed, the Presidents Newsletter mass emailing was at "no" cost to the club.
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