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Old 07-09-2010, 02:11 PM   #113
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It's not a motion yet, the approved motion was only to bring the report to the IBT. Someone will have to make a motion, if it is the committee it will not need a second. I think. I don't know if they can change anything without sending it back to the units or their presidents or delegate for a vote. Someone help me out. This would be a change to the constitution and what is then required to pass it? Discussion from the floor from members would probably be far less because of who would be in attendance at the mid-winter IBT rally.
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It is foolishness like this backhanded dealing that warrants the movement of Forrest McClure's amendment to separate the creation of bylaws and the power to pass on the constitutionality of those bylaws from the IBT and place it in the hands of the Deligates.

You may want to read up on this amendment

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f286...ion-59520.html

After which time you may want to look to

defendwally.org

and see how you can help curtail future such misconduct.
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Membership is defined in the Constitution of the club.
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ARTICLE VI
QUALIFICATIONS OF MEMBERS
Sec. 1 An adult who owns a hard sided recreational vehicle manufactured by Airstream, Inc. shall be eligible for membership. (6/30/06)
Changes to the constitution would have to be approved by a 2/3 vote of the delegates. The earliest this could be done would be June 30, 2011 in De Quoin, IL.
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Thanks Richard. I wonder how this committee will find out how the membership feels to present the report to the IBT at the midwinter. Or perhaps that is a formality to precede the motion regardless. Why would anyone think in this short time membership would have changed their minds? I don't think they do think membership has changed its minds. I think some influential members are influencing other IBT members to keep at this. Isn't there a way to insure the same motion does not come up for a length of time if and when this fails again? If this is legit it was a waste of time except for mouth service and placation. They don't have to study the acceptance they already know it is not acceptable to the majority. Futile exercise to absolve themselves from the ire of some PIPs, or is there some fancy flim flam that could get this turned about if we are not careful? Why has Larry Huttle, chairman of Airstream (?) opened the door again? Where does this originate really? With all the business and improvements that time and expense could be devoted to in doing their best for the membership this is what comes up again. And it seems clear to me why it was reintroduced as a members' action and not their own. But it remains to be seen. I don't think it will take much longer to be validated. I want to know which unit of region 4 did not want the motorhome issue revisited...just like Maggie and Howie want to know. It is very interesting to study the club's governance and stay informed. It is the members' responsibility and is good to step up.
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Thanks Richard. I wonder how this committee will find out how the membership feels to present the report to the IBT at the midwinter. Or perhaps that is a formality to precede the motion regardless. Why would anyone think in this short time membership would have changed their minds? I don't think they do think membership has changed its minds. I think some influential members are influencing other IBT members to keep at this. Isn't there a way to insure the same motion does not come up for a length of time if and when this fails again?
While I disagree with this probable motion, I don't want a limitation on re-presenting a motion. This would have prevented the new definition of alternate delegate and the revised requirements for numbered caravans from reappearing also. One passed and one still failed.

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While I disagree with this probable motion, I don't want a limitation on re-presenting a motion. This would have prevented the new definition of alternate delegate and the revised requirements for numbered caravans from reappearing also. One passed and one still failed.

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I don't know if the motion is as much a problem as the way it was presented. Motions are made and voted on as a routine in conducting meetings. On the other hand lieing about votes and misrepresenting members is another issue. This if proven true should be a cause of grievance filed by leadership if the ever was one. Removal from office and even suspension would be appropriate for misuse of ones official position.

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While I disagree with this probable motion, I don't want a limitation on re-presenting a motion. This would have prevented the new definition of alternate delegate and the revised requirements for numbered caravans from reappearing also. One passed and one still failed.

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Bill that is a great perspective on that issue that never came to my mind. I agree with you. It makes sense not to add a provsion that could be more harmful than helpful.
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I don't know if the motion is as much a problem as the way it was presented. Motions are made and voted on as a routine in conducting meetings. On the other hand lieing about votes and misrepresenting members is another issue. This if proven true should be a cause of grievance filed by leadership if the ever was one. Removal from office and even suspension would be appropriate for misuse of ones official position.

Just my opinion, Dan
Dan I think you have hit on a big part of the issue. I'm hoping for clarification asap and hopefully archived in the past at the time of the vote.
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I don't know if the motion is as much a problem as the way it was presented. Motions are made and voted on as a routine in conducting meetings. On the other hand lieing about votes and misrepresenting members is another issue. This if proven true should be a cause of grievance filed by leadership if the ever was one. Removal from office and even suspension would be appropriate for misuse of ones official position.

Just my opinion, Dan
This was my thought, but I smacked my own fingers earlier to keep from suggesting sanctions against Turner if he misrepresented the origin of and support for this Motion. However, now that you have made the suggestion, I will agree with it.


Had one email back from a Region 4 Unit President, regarding the representations made about this Motion, who stated "I'm looking into this.."

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... This if proven true should be a cause of grievance filed by leadership if the ever was one. ... Just my opinion, Dan
Oh, groan. Too many folks are slap-happy with grievances. Just show that the guy was "creating facts" and allow the IP to hold up action on appointing a committee, as per the motion.
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"Creating Facts'
As soon as I read that I thought of the movie "Soylent Green" and looked up some of the quotes from it.
Soylent Green (1973) - Memorable quotes.
There are some good ones but none as good as "Creating Facts".
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I am willing to wait till some more responses come back or the region 4 prez offers an explanation before reaching any conclusions.
However I am curious to know if he has a motorhome. Anyone know?
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Any word yet from region 4 officers or members?
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This is a reply I got from one of the Region #4 unit Presidents. Read it closely and see if you think they have any idea of when, where or how this vote was taken. We are now dealing with "Creative Facts" and "Vague Recollection"

Howard...

As I remember, this issue came up a while ago and our unit voted unanimously in favor of it. We still fully support this motion
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