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Old 07-09-2010, 09:56 AM   #99
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Pretty much anybody on the board can bring up new business at the end of a meeting. That it might be kooky is something that can't be controlled. Personally, I like Chris' idea: If they want to have an SOB bus, fine, then they can also get themselves an Airstream trailer and tow it with the bus.

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I agree----this is the perfect resolution, already in place and which will appease everyone.

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Old 07-09-2010, 09:57 AM   #100
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Well, for something which was a) already defeated once, b) going to benefit just a few and c) be highly controversial, if it was just an afterthought it was certainly not well thought out and does at this point look very suspicious.

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Great post, covers all the bases that I was thinking about. I did have a chance to speak to Don Clark about this earlier this week and I will say he was surprised as well it even came up.
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"This motion came from Region 4 units, was approved by the Region 4 Board, 13 out of 14 units voted 'yes'."

"Since this motion is a motion to create a committee to study only and since it has come from the membership and 13 of 14 units approved it, I would support this."

"I would like to support what Louise had to say about it. This is to appoint a committee and they would bring a report, not a motion, a report to the winter IBT on what options, Larry Huttle opened this door. He was at our May region rally and he's been talking to Thor and going through one of their divisions to try to solve this problem."

All this discussion about the motion makes it sound as if this could and should have been on the agenda. If Larry Huttle opened the door in May at the region rally he was more than likely approached before then.

I want to know when the members of the units got approached about this. The Region 4 unit majority was stated as fact and then built upon during further discussion and reaffirmed by the motion maker. If 12 unit presidents approved this on behalf of their unit members then I would like to see that verified and ask why it was kept quiet from their members.
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"This motion came from Region 4 units, was approved by the Region 4 Board, 13 out of 14 units voted 'yes'."

"Since this motion is a motion to create a committee to study only and since it has come from the membership and 13 of 14 units approved it, I would support this."

"I would like to support what Louise had to say about it. This is to appoint a committee and they would bring a report, not a motion, a report to the winter IBT on what options, Larry Huttle opened this door. He was at our May region rally and he's been talking to Thor and going through one of their divisions to try to solve this problem."

All this discussion about the motion makes it sound as if this could and should have been on the agenda. If Larry Huttle opened the door in May at the region rally he was more than likely approached before then.

I want to know when the members of the units got approached about this. The Region 4 unit majority was stated as fact and then built upon during further discussion and reaffirmed by the motion maker. If 12 unit presidents approved this on behalf of their unit members then I would like to see that verified and ask why it was kept quiet from their members.
Exactly, and thank-you, Transcriber-Extraordinaire.

It was not last minute, it appears to have been quite deliberate.

The information on which unit presidents in Region 4 approved this has got to be accessible and public for other members. How to we obtain that information?

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Exactly, and thank-you, Transcriber-Extraordinaire.

It was not last minute, it appears to have been quite deliberate.

The information on which unit presidents in Region 4 approved this has got to be accessible and public for other members. How to we obtain that information?

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Maggie,

You write all of the international officers and the region 4 president requesting that information.

It would be interesting to see what response would be received if all those concerned about this matter wrote them requesting additional information.

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Maggie,

You write all of the international officers and the region 4 president requesting that information.

It would be interesting to see what response would be received if all those concerned about this matter wrote them requesting additional information.

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Hmmm, I think I'll write the Region 4 President, as it was his motion and his representation that it "came from the members" and "13 of his 14 units passed this".

I'll report back here.

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As mentioned before, I wrote the 2nd VP of each of the region #4 units asking them if they were the dissenting unit. So far those that have responded never even heard the subject mentioned at the unit level.

Looks like the Region #4 President may have had an Epiphany.
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Sorry, HowieE, if I am duplicating your earlier efforts, as I did not recall you stating this.

I have sent the following email to the 11 Region 4 Unit Presidents who have an email address listed on their website. Did not find one for John Turner.

"Greetings Region 4 Unit Presidents,

On July 5th, John Turner, as President of Region 4, moved that the IBT create a committee and that the International President appoint the committee members to study the acceptance of a Class A motorhome manufactured by Thor Manufacturing into the WBCCI for current and past members.

Turner asked that this move forward as soon as possible as it would be beneficial if the committee could bring a report to the mid-winter IBT in January 2011. He further stated that his motion came from the membership of Region 4 units, was approved by the Region 4 Board, and that 13 out of 14 Region 4 units voted 'yes'."

As a WBCCI member who is aware of the controversy of this issue within the WBCCI, and that it was defeated several years ago, it is puzzling to me that this was not properly on the Agenda July 5 and that because of this the general WBCCI membership was unaware it was coming up. We are all aware of how seriously the trust in and credibility of the IBT has suffered in recent years, and so it is important to clarify this matter to avoid further damage.

As Unit Presidents for Region 4, I am asking that you advise me as to the history of this issue in your Unit. Specifically, was it presented to your members and when did that occur, also what and when their vote on the matter was, if that occurred.

Thank you in advance for your prompt attention to this matter."

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Go for it Maggie.

You should at least get a Cease and Desist Letter from one of their lawyers for using those secret e mail addresses with have first used your decoder ring for permission.

My Cease and Desist letter is framed and hanging in the bathroom as an inspiration when I need one.
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Was this motion on the agenda for the Region 4 rally this past May and did the Region 4 membership have any notice that it would be discussed and voted upon?

Was there in fact a Moho motion that was voted on at the Region 4 rally this past May?
I hope this information will be forthcoming. These are all the right questions. Thanks mistral

Maggie and Howie we all appreciate your efforts to continue to find the answers.

Rick I wonder what an artifical errorstream decal will look like. For those who want to stay with the Airstream icon I should like this for my decal. So those SOB PIPs need a new badge to make their personal agendas "legal"? Can we use the club's lawyer to find out about not circumventing the club's premise of a single brand recreation club for the members' protection? And the IBT wants validation for delegates and alternates and candidates, pulleeze. Now who is being disingenuous?
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Go for it Maggie.

You should at least get a Cease and Desist Letter from one of their lawyers for using those secret e mail addresses with have first used your decoder ring for permission.

My Cease and Desist letter is framed and hanging in the bathroom as an inspiration when I need one.
Well, their email addresses are posted on the Unit website, which is public, so I am not anticipating an issue with using them for WBCCI business.

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Just forwarded the email to Region 4 Unit Presidents on to John Turner, Region 4 President and maker of the Motion, courtesy of a pm-provided email address for John.

No responses yet, will keep y'all advised.

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I did email each posted unit president as listed on the Region 4 web site and asked what was voted on. Waiting for replies now... I did this last night.
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I did email each posted unit president as listed on the Region 4 web site and asked what was voted on. Waiting for replies now... I did this last night.
This is not looking as if there is going to be a positive outcome.

At the Mid-Winter, only the IBT will vote on recommendations of the committee on this Motion, correct? Delegates don't go to these?

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