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Old 07-06-2010, 05:54 AM   #43
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Thanks to others for listening in and posting commentary. We were able to listen to the last couple of hours.

Our understanding of the Thor motorhome issue is this is finding a way for members who must replace their aging Airstream motorhomes to remain WBCCI members. Since Airstream doesn't make motorhomes any more, these people could no longer be members once they bought something else.

If it is very specific membership for these owners, is it so bad?

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Thanks to others for listening in and posting commentary. We were able to listen to the last couple of hours.

Our understanding of the Thor motorhome issue is this is finding a way for members who must replace their aging Airstream motorhomes to remain WBCCI members. Since Airstream doesn't make motorhomes any more, these people could no longer be members once they bought something else.

If it is very specific membership for these owners, is it so bad?

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Today it's just our existing members. Then it will become a great may to increase membership.

My view - When you no longer meet the requirements of membership in any organization you move on. If membership decline becomes too great, then leadership finally changes the club to attract the new demographic of Airstream owners.

The current strategy of only speaking positive about the club will not get the job done. You might get more people to test drive, but they will see through the facade.

I don't plan to remain a member in a club that changes membership requirements to retain members.


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Old 07-06-2010, 08:45 AM   #45
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Today it's just our existing members. Then it will become a great may to increase membership.

My view - When you no longer meet the requirements of membership in any organization you move on. If membership decline becomes too great, then leadership finally changes the club to attract the new demographic of Airstream owners.

The current strategy of only speaking positive about the club will not get the job done. You might get more people to test drive, but they will see through the facade.

I don't plan to remain a member in a club that changes membership requirements to retain members.


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Hmmmmm. I understand your point, still rather undecided on the issue here, as it could perhaps be buttoned up very tightly. Would like to hear some more opinions and argument about this. It also may be more reasonable to limit this kind of membership for current AS owners rather than current and previous AS owners.

If you are referring to me as "only speaking positive about the club", you apparently have not read all my posts---and are in error on that.


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Old 07-06-2010, 10:11 AM   #46
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I'm sorry to see they decided to try the MOHO issue again. If it happens, it will be time to say "BYE-Bye".

When will they ever learn.
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It isn't unusual for memberships, classifications, categories, etc., to have "grandfather in" clauses, which accommodate changes which occur over time and don't make them retroactive---which we at first blush would be opposed to.

It would seem to come down to attaching limited memberships for clearly defined reasons to individuals rather than to units, so that persons who can't obtain newer model Airstreams don't lose their relationship with and attachment to the history and heritage of the WBCCI.

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Ford Thunderbirds in the Corvette Club?? Corvettes in the Ford Thunderbird Club? Any motorhomes(not Airstreams) in the WBCCI AirstreamClub? Come on!!! Let's drop it IBT !!!! You are ruining the Good Airstream Club Name!!! May God rest their soul..Wally and Helen for building such a "Fine" Airstream Only Club. We can't afford to lose more members can we? Let them join Family Motor Coach Club they have Rallies Too!!
I cannot support this latest action.... Airstreams Only is my Motto!! AirstreamHobo
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Hello? Hello? Is this thing on? Check 1 -2 - 3, check 1 -2 -3...


Warning, warning, warning... Yeah, whatever -- when mis-managers head back behind closed doors on the membership, were they could once again attempt to break the club's Airstream Only Membership Requirements, it's the membership (SaveWally) that will gladly record those meetings once again, and make them available to ALL. That is afterall where educating the membership began, and our efforts are what led them to offer the simulcast. So pull the plug, and we'll happily reset the circuit breaker...

Hey, maybe this preparatory message is merely a precursor to bringing a brand new Winnebego into the Mid-Winters for that special inner circle to consider come January? Who are they kidding with these warnings, really?

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Does anyone recall hearing within the new balanced budget what allocation for legal fees were projected for 2011-2012? I wonder if a poll of region officers wouldn't rather have their travel allowance back instead of Leo out and all the cease and desist warning letters sent to so many people. Has anyone noticed the percentage of "quality" members is increasing? Now with this latest other brand motorhome issue coming up again, I bet this newest recruitment and retention promotional idea will be able to accelerate even more sorting out the chaf of "quantity" and "vocal minority" members. And the ones left standing with their sobs wont mind the nextest dues increase to cover the deficit. Afterall "they drive some of the most expensive rigs on the road." And my most personal favorite, "My God, do you hear yourselves? Show some gall and stop whining, and just raise the dues!"--PIP Franklin


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There are currently more "Guests" reading this thread than there are active members on the WBCCI Forum. That must say volumes about the freedom of speech.

As for the Moto Home issue coming up again it has been suggested that they move on over to the Family Motor Coach Club. The problem there is there is no way they would ever work their way up to a Free Ride and Free camping at members expense.

I am sure most of the Guests are Leadership in the Club. Why don't you all sign on and try and sell that Pig in a Poke on a Forum that will allow you to speak.
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Ford Thunderbirds in the Corvette Club?? Corvettes in the Ford Thunderbird Club? Any motorhomes(not Airstreams) in the WBCCI AirstreamClub? Come on!!! Let's drop it IBT !!!! You are ruining the Good Airstream Club Name!!! May God rest their soul..Wally and Helen for building such a "Fine" Airstream Only Club. We can't afford to lose more members can we? Let them join Family Motor Coach Club they have Rallies Too!!
I cannot support this latest action.... Airstreams Only is my Motto!! AirstreamHobo
Great Point... Just because you can't buy a new Thunderbird that does not allow you to by anything else and still have the new replacement (non-Thunderbird) vehicle registered in the Thunderbird car club.

IMHO... Seems they are willing to change the footprint of this exclusive club for the benifit of a few that will be a cause of membership loss from the greater base foundation of the club????? What is this about and who are the masterminds behind this? Is there a part of the story that is not being shared? Seems like there is an ulterior motive to just make numbers with no concern of the history and heritage of the club. I am new to this world and have the belief that I am buying an awsome aluminum camper to be part of a great legacy. Doubt I will make and International for at least 20 years as I never get that amount of time off at one time from my employer so I am sure I will not see that great view of 700+ Airstream campers parked at one location but to have a group of non-Airstream monster motor homes parked among the field of the the classic designed Airstreams. There is also the ideal that if you are not growing you are dieing, so we also need to be good stewards of the club and each other. I see a lot of anger and finger pointing and see the basis around most of it. If I was a weaker person I would be concerned but what I see is a group of people VERY PASSIONATE towards their lifestyles and that is good to see also. At this time, being I am still negotiating my first purchase, I will not critic anybody just learn more. Better to be thought the fool than to open my mouth and prove it. Or maybe I am too late...
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Okay, okay, okay! We're hearing you!

Inquiring minds would like to hear more about who is expected to benefit from this proposed expansion of membership in WBCCI? We have heard of one.

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How many of the IBT drive motorhomes? I believe that it is most of them. That is what is driving this issue.

If SOB anything is allowed in; then I am definitely out - if I stay in that long.
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I recently sold my Airstream and went back to an SOB motor home (see signature panel). Thee were no Airstream products, new or used, that offered what I needed in a vehicle for extended travel and work.

I knew full well that the WBCCI was over with no Airstream. I have been an FMCA member since 2000, and now a member of the Beaver Ambassador's Club and with the latter, you MUST OWN a Beaver motor home to be a member....even though Monaco Coach Corp (now Monaco RV LLC) made 4 different brands: Monaco, Holiday Rambler, Beaver and Safari. You could NOT be in any of these clubs without owning the appropriate make of vehicle, even though they were all made by the same company and in some cases, were almost identical except for the paint schemes and exterior badging.

If I was still in the WBCCI, I would definitely resign if any motion to let SOB units into the club passed.

This is strictly a self-serving, selfish move by the feckless leadership to keep old members who no longer own an Airstream. And why MUST they have an SOB motor home??????? Airstreams not good enough, or do they change their RVs like some folks change their underwear?????

Save Wally has it's work cut out for it.....AGAIN!!!!
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How many of the IBT drive motorhomes? I believe that it is most of them. That is what is driving this issue.
Please, tell me this is not really true---it is not that totally self-serving, is it??



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I don't think any have a real problem with others joining in rallying and camping or staying connected with members or friends. If anyone is inflexible it is the membeerts of the EC7. What I see as the big issue is governance that shuts out membership and changes for its own convenience and remains in leadership capacity to accept and vote themselves expense accounts and perks. Grandfather or open up to buddies but pass the torch...do not desecrate an Airstream only club to fund their travel and throw out members that don't agree with their philosophies the philosophy that the WBCCI is all about THEIR frends and their travel. I believe Save wally has gone roundabout exactly where we came in...well actually that would be the year before when they didn't want to be called Wally Byam Caravan Club any more after 50 years of history because it was too hard to explain who that was when signing contracts for Internationals and talking to others. Ironic they defend the logo now with lawyers...No my friends it isn't how you do things as much as who your friends are, I assure you and leo's been in the forefront and leading the grass roots movement for a lot of WBCCI history, like no name change and maintaining the single brand identity of the club and trying to work for free elections and membership rights and value.
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