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National events Carolyn Florence
galaxy fiddlers
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Swiss festival
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unit planning guide and merit award program report Hadaway

discussion: if a region doesn't have a dealer they will have more difficulty in getting more members and is a concern, small bias in merit awards but in bonus section regions do not qualify from those of certain proximity of the Mason Dixon line, on the bonus section, we will never have a midwinter in California...

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Old 07-05-2010, 02:18 PM   #17
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Rally promotions report Leonard Sullivan

Leonard Sullivan Promotional articles

RV parks Jean Helker
free park listing July of that year asked Collins to charge to list and advertise at nominal prices. Caravan leaders are asked ti use these parks. It is slowly building. Airstream Parks have been promoting from the directory and thanks WBCCI.

Special committees electronics special committee
Charlie Burke registered 130 more users to forum during rally. Membership is requested as a pop up on forums to recruit as a member value. 1st anniversary date for forums and newsletter and looks really good, 163o0 users as of 1/2 hour ago.

Safety Herb Quade
20 people at seminar at International was disappointing. Had several safety issues received and will add to next BB article and thank you for letting him serve.

Darrel Walters 2020
4 seminars for 2020 presented region officers spouses and unit and gen membership and hopefully have a better understanding of what they are trying to do. Since regions had time 6 regions gave not have time, two way discussion between IBT and memberhip, 2020 appreciates the cooperation. Would like the RP to e-mail them to the rest of the committee to return a report to gen membership. Eliminate the 3rd vp and will be action item. Two mwmbwes of 2020 will be changes and thanks them for service and 4 candidates to replces them and thanks the applicants. Interviewed the candidates and Richard G and Jack Ample have been chosen for the committee.

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Action item motion #9 Don Clark
save $44,000 and $700.00 to midwinter eliminate one office IBT and affects bylaws and needs to be addressed at the IBT midwinter , elimination of 3rd vp. Gives the 2nd and 1st vp more work.
discussion: transition with new vp can work together to fulfill the job in the future. Before we vote eliminate activities on how to deal without that responsibility in place. need that to support change. Consider the president do more work and less with organizing the International rally and can do more that needs attention. We don't know what all the positions do... I have a strong opinion on this both ways its a difficult position and 3rd vp has had a lot of extra work for the other two VPs the IP doesn't have a lot of time for committees and chairmen, because there is so much to do. We will save some money but will we really save some money? ! extra year may help to understand what is involved, it took 4 years to find a good site, you have to start early. We are getting smaller we don't know. membership chair thinks we are going to grow. I don't want to see this position go. Is this a valid function. the motion to send to delegates for consideration to eliminate 3rd vp. Ewles is this motion to send out and require a vote will not require a second, from a committee so no not require a second. 3rd vp is hidden there are many things discovered will be apprised. A lot of hidden things of the 3rd in constitution...One step further if sequence can be prepared to see the burden placed on the other officers. Poll past IP to see how long to secure rally site...Started 3 years out and they were booked three years in advance and had to visit nine other sites to find D. Illinois taking time and travel to find it. Takes time... We spent 2 1/2 -3 years going down the East coast and either too small or didn't get back at all with info...Depends on the facility it depends some times 3 years OK cannot rley on 3 year lead in. 3rd vp work very hard and hate to put them onto other vps...the negotiation process takes a long time, wiring, wash water and isse of responsibilities when they get to the rally...water electric parking and moved now upon the 2nd vp... The biggest positive the elimination of $5,000 or $700.00 figure is the reason to bring it up, but many problems wih this the EC& would have to restructure the responsibilities...have to transition from unit to region to EC and it is a worst position as the ountry to do on the EC and would be problematic and decreased by one member and give less time. We didn't even think about the time limits that you face. Three and four years is a problem. In the committee we talked about if the rally would have a committee in that area to place rally. Moss says he would support the motion now we are 1/3 of what we had, we need to adjust to reflect membership. We can hire a planner well in advance to have a meeting and probably wouldn't cost us anything. Volunteerism isn't always free. These Vps are having a 5 year commitment an therefore I do support the motion,
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More comments: Time to resize the company and let the delegates decide and pass this to them... Cut money to save a little. There is too much work. let the people perform first perhaps the faith in them will improve the club...until you serve you do not know what it is like...we don't know what you do at the rallies...we need cheat sheet to know what we are talking about...how many committees were there when membership blossomed...do not know...we talk about how long it takes to do it and heikenswiler has his lined up so hard to see it takes that long and been to 2 IBTs and not paid...sometimes the venue is cancelled and have to start over...hard to see in the forest need someone needs to be looking out and not crowded out and time to be managed.Fence sitting, outside duties 3rd vp the I{P has lots to do but things come up, money would be saved but if someone needs to set up rallies they will cahrge $5,000 or more to do that. I suggest that things move down, and restructure everything and not make assumptions. The members need the opportunity to see the officers and make region rallies, says Don Schaffer, travel for International officers would increase. In fairness to officers and membership is to have enough officers to do the load and not want to slight to see officers or to be seen as an officer, member value... You are part of problem, you are too busy for unit level elimination shortens career length and take chance to see what happens...the past IP is still a board member and make the current IP more ceo and the PIP more to run the rally if 3rd VP is eliminated...J. Larsen says lots of good comments as niminating committee problems is finding candidates, region officers are likely having the same problem. we could not get two candidates this year.
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spend more personal money and save club money and cost officers more and candidates more. before you put it forward the total ramifications means rest of the International officers do. Until we understand we will have a difficult time to pull a rp out of term Don Scaffer JLarson got pulled out and Tom C, got pulled out a year earlier. Mr. ewles to attention item 7 lists how it opertes basically the duties are relegated by the IP this motion will go forward to the IBT.

Marketing not here

new items 8 remaining

safety...bylaws be amended
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New standing committees

safety standing committee created, special committe changed to standing committee no financial impact

use BB for members
discussion: does the committee need finance for that chairman... no no budget...
Hadaway challenges uses BB and say distribute to help members become safer travelers and not tie hands to just the blue beret.
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Electronic committee become standing committee and not a special committee. seconded to be created and is valuable and too inportant not to be standing no financial impact and no budget and all done online
Ralph Forester incorrect $300.00 budget last year and now $100.00 item already in there. Theresa standing budget was raised $7400 ...these committees have no impact the increase is the marketing committee so we have cut the other budgets
motion forward to IBT

Motion to amend bylaws be amended to make marketing a standing committee. New committee and we should commit to be approved as important and no financial impact as it already has a budget and will not be increased.
discussion: Marilyn change looked at and if moved to standing they will continue, we are limiting the way it is written, change to contunually implement a plan of action. be careful what they are limited to. What about training and implementing units and be careful to identify what is expected of them. This is something that they want that we have learned from teaching...
aimed mainly at membership and idea of revenue
motion will go forward

financial management change bylaws delete sec 2 income shall be deposited in bank all indebtedness shall be paid from the account to cash personal checks less justification now with debit cards etc.,
discussion: will all funds go back to JC? allow them to invest in funds and separate rally fund in JC also, question what happenes to cash now, deposit into Gillette and then back to JC...every year person that handles it can have an acoount locally but does not have to be the total amount of rally funds...Tom C. says we contract with bank a year and a half in advance to make deposits does it have to be that far in advance or a week or two? Does it have to exist that well in advance? No funds were transfered until recently the account was set up in advance...asks Myron does it have to be set up in advance? There is a lot of process, maybe so but hate to wait and find you couldn't do it. there is preliminary work as to numbers and checks etc., he syas I'd say you can't...Open account in Illinois and have checks written or funds transferred...more discussion...setting it up each year check charges, do we need this bank account are we paying more to have this extra checking account. I do not believe we are reducing expenses we need a working fund there and has been established. A minimum amount can be transferred. This lets members cash checks without fees and need local relationship with a bank. The criteria is income shall be deposited to bank at the site according to the rule, but a lot of the funds are sent to JC when shifted, the wording leaves no latitude...this could be the rally fees collected at the rally...income shall be deposited it doesn't say all will be...change from may to can or shall and reputable bank is poorly worded, the person whose job it is should have the latitude to choose. Linda Amie says she often needs to take a check and cash it locally. There will be local account we are talking about bulk of funds sitting, that's what we are talking about, all we are doing is not tying the hands of where the money will go.
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Old 07-05-2010, 03:38 PM   #21
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complaint filing time amended strike out 30 and replce with 60 days from date of occurance

Discussion: the reason for this is to determine whether a grievance or a gripe....Betty Sullivan's comment when grievance comes in to IP he sends it toa committee. When they receive it a copy is sent to both parties. more info is requested at that time on both sides that has to be submiitted by an large 60 days elapses before that happens. Rick Bell timely matter but no time for others sit down and resolve more time will give chance for resolution and deserves consideration.
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Old 07-05-2010, 03:47 PM   #22
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john turner region 4 committee to stdy class a motorhome for current and past members
second june ryan
rationale represeting only 12/3rds membership without class a and losing members and wants special decal for mohomes to qualify for airstream
June ryan concerned about membership and they are losing members because they have to find something to drive and don't know how 109,000mile is going to hold together
came from membership 14 units so will support it to bring a committee report...Larry huttle started in may to bring this forward...an airstream is an Airstream if not on title members are opposed...
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bvans are dressed up and they can do the same with incomplete vehicle and AS can finish it with a label with having a commitment of a huge manufacturing plant as in the current bvans...who will service these...that will come up again. Do we form a committee or not? Ralh Forester to members of committee if it doesn't have airstream on its title its isn't a airstream...there is a bowles is in club...110,00 scary miles and it aint going to be an Airstream decals with the club on it...Airstreams moho were never AS and AS is on record no moho business Thor is the oarent this is about people not product what are extended families worth, remember that, a committee is too little too late. Dan mcelvey there is a difference about if this is for everyone of for everyone in the future need a motorhome should be for all members...we talk about membership retention and down the road others will leave us because their mohomes are too old, others too and no longer are not we need a committee to study it very carefully
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motion gardman IBT send motion for deliberation strike out slate of officers and list of cadidates and all candidates instead of nominees. Add qualifications/resumes for publication on org website.
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rationale selected or elected by nominating committee, membership should have more to stake their selection upon, more democracy in officer election
discussion: presented to their units...financial impact BB savings $80.00 per page...hung up on qualifications, previously outlined criteria, not automatically serving minimum of foffices and committeess...this would have nochanges in qualifications...in favor change to put in BB and on the web and many do not get on the website, so both...Rick Bell says nomination committee puts them in pecking order after personal interview do we have anyway of knowing how they are rated by nominating comittee. The BB for communication is necessary...will mover include BB as a friendlier motion? Mover is OK...Judy Beck $80.00 on internet not BB, selection published. Necessary qalifications seemed to be missing for example two to three pages of listing requirements you will not find specific anything of International officer or candidate, we ought to establish baseline qualifications. The only protection we have is chairman is a past officer, should a nominee be allowed with only written consent, in addition the delegate meeting has a time line to be publidhed for BB and notify each unit so that is there...question: policy those who are interested at IBT meeting suppose I live in Alaska at time of IBT is there a discussion of how I might be interviewed, interview by telephone, norma collier says, 1. motion she heard officers is that correct the officers of IBT pres 1 2 3 sec and treas I have hear no discussion regarding those individuals and have yet to see more than one to step forward now on the board two talked into because no one else stepped forward, the discussion has been all about the nominating committee and not officers of the EC...jerry larson says three on board different opinions but didnt have pivilege willing to choose this motion will not do anything different we will still have trouble hving more than one run for office none from floor other than nominating committee. none from units none from...delighted with selection they made, until we can get multiplys will not accomplish anything, let nominating committees get more candidates first so we have more to consider...Mr. Ewles says he was running 3r vp the other was nominated and he has contended since that day he was told only one and there is not that stipilation the only criteria is to be a member...
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a cpa wanted to run against mr, Fischer he said nominating committee would never let him get on the ticket.
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new item 10 lunch
financial disbursements changed for region president and travel expense per unit and to and from and submitted budget claims submitted to headquarters. Cross funding, and unused
rationale: necessary for balanced budget reduce region officers by additional 15% for this time only.
discussion: what we dont make up budget comes out of the region officers pockets and already does. A balanced budget is nice but like eating an elephant you cant do it all at once, make it up gradually through several years. What about next year if this is a one time stop gap what happenens next year? Bob Moss reports some expense budget were not spent and next year will be as he reports when he gets to his report...these numbers are same as seen on budget, correct, yes. Barry H, cannont vote for motion Fred S. This is important to pass balanced budget this year if not here elsewhere but there was enough money left unspent on the table but irregardless i think important to pass a balanced budget this year...Don M. says int officers 25 and region 10 he siad int officers should have 50% cut becuase they had not spent mch of their funds, the region officers however need to have funds to stay in touch with units and members the int should also have another cut and not only put on region
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25% for int is permanent, for 15% additional is temporary 10 % is permanent correction but point still stands...motion unnecessary key point is balance budget as earlier item, it is one year why chnge the bylaws all you need to do it withdraw this motion and pass budget...It would be good if they all had a copy of the motion...6 years too long for region...ontario says there is a responsibility to pass a balanced budget and undermining club, you have obligation and duty to pass balanced budget perception to step back from the trough...
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discussion cont'd: we have to pass the budget but this motion should be withdrawn since it is for one year.

Parlimentarian: not amending by laws this is policy amendment majority will pass it, the motions are your motion and can change them before they get to the IBT. The reports this does not require a second, which means discussion not someone who agrees, a committee does not require a second or a discussion to take place.

Discussion: the motion calls for one year only and automatically goes back the way it was. The dollar amount drops to 43,000 so $6500 savings...Judy 47,000 to 37,000 difference of $11,000 that was last year...$36,000 reflects 10% and additional 15% also.
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seminar adjourned the IBT meeting will convene at 3:50 M.T.
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report of officers

IP: 200 registrations for Illinois International

Treasurer: Accentuate the positive and monitor expenses.
Cost of living adjustment for dues proposed for each year at MidWinter IBT.
recent years 4 losses 3 incomes, losses much higher

Motion 1stVP sign contract for facility and parking for 2012 Missouri
Vote-passes 17-1a

new standing committee chairmen receive badges...

$1100 for commonsense fund

Budget chairman Ralph Forester says we need to adopt balanced budget 2010-2011
Bob Moss treasurer remakes the motion 10 region officers traveling expenses revision for one year only
rationale adoption balanced budget
discussion: June Ryan for one year... need to state for year 2010-2011...Roy MacDonald yes for the members
vote: roll call asked for by Roy Mac Donald
bheikens a don clark yes 3rd botwell, yes' sandy yes treas yes pip yes , 1st reg 1 yes reg2 yes 3 yes 4yes 5yes 5a 7yes 8yes 9yes10yes11yes12 yes
vote:16-0-2a passes

general budget
vote-18-0-0a passed

Dequoin Illinois Rally budget doesn't call for a vote it was a report

Don Clark motion from 2020 bring to delegates the motion to eliminate 3rd vp
rationale: save $4,000travel and $700MidWinter IBT for a total of $5,600 savings
discussion: Judy Bethtold discussion to show affected work load, rationale needs to be expanded, CC more info and discussion, J.Botwell cannot vote as presented because it is piecemeal and club needs to address al, region4 too many negatives have to sit down ansd talk, Moss agree to look carefully and like to emphahsize we are three times smaller now and reduction is expected, this is to carry this to members and not for them to come up with particulars,mr. Ewles housecleaning brought forward if found, this motion is from a recommendation and can add the bylaws were researched and several times over and it pretty well does it, elimination of 3rd causes changes to other officers, $5,000 minimum will make people happy staying within budget
parlimentarian points out if this fails can still come before midwinter IBT
vote-6-12-motion fails
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