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In addition, several regions reported the desire to have shorter caravans. The reduction in the requirements for units caravans was defeated, as I recall, by a vote of 18 to zero.

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In addition, several regions reported the desire to have shorter caravans. The reduction in the requirements for units caravans was defeated, as I recall, by a vote of 18 to zero.

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According to my notes, the vote was Yes 6 / No 12.
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Old 07-15-2010, 11:28 PM   #213
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According to my notes, the vote was Yes 6 / No 12.
Thanks for the correction, now if we only knew who voted which way.

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The discussion of changing the criteria so that unit caravans could also enjoy an index and numbered recognition was very interesting. It was stated many times that is had the support of an entire region and more as well as the second year running with a member driven proposal on numbering unit caravans. It was also mentioned that since membership wants this they should act upon the will of the membership since the club belongs to them, but it was voted out after what seemed peculiar in the claims that units can caravan all they want already and they don't caravan for recognition and that is not what this club is all about and that it would increase per page directory costs to add caravan numbers after their names. Always looking to save members a buck, eh? There really was no impelling reason not to accept the motion except that the IBT didn't want to or know how they would make the unit caravan distinctions since during a year one might attend caravans from more than one unit. The distinction for National caravans however still remains with usual recognition in the directory. Am I mistaken or did they say we need to go back to the units and see what they want?...more information required...yet they could have consulted round table and worked it out or have tried to help members get their initiative passed and moving along if they truly wanted to help membership make changes.
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I originated the unit caravan motion in Region 9 and it was enthusiastically supported by all but one unit when voted on at our Region rally.

I intend to put it to our unit again and make them face it again next time around. Our unit voted 100% for the motion.

When those folks stop drawing for their 3-digit numbers, I'll let this one lie. Talk about craving recognition, the three-digit farce is the crowning example of that.

That is, if I am still around next year and that is up in the air at the moment. I can still put it to the unit even if I do not renew.
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Mid-Winter IBT- "Pumpkin Coach" program announced by AOAII

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I attended the Larry Huttle presentation. My notes and recollection indicate that he presented an OPTION for the Club that would involve Re-Badging a Damon / Four Winds (now merged) Motorhome as an Airstream IF the club made a significant commitment. Airstream is NOT producing Class As and these motorhomes would not be Airstream products.

My impression from his suggestion is that the Club had been asking for an option, not that Larry Huttle and Airstream wanted to re-badge Damon / Four Winds products.

The Club is for owners of products manufactured by Airstream, Inc. This change would require a revision to the Constitution. 2/3 of members must agree. I can't believe they are asking again for the 3rd time in 4 years.
Now that reminds me of the best piece of satire that I have ever read hands down! Be prepared to read an extraordinarily poignant and delightful essay posted originally on the WBCCI forums January 25th, 2007 before the establishment of the "communication commitee" and the advent of the new tiered WBCCI forum. This is years ahead of its time. and prophetic if not apocalyptic, depending upon your point of view... Brilliant parody by 47WeeWind. This is just way too good not to be shared again.

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The Airstream Owners Association International, Inc. (AOAII) Board of trusteess (IBT) today unveiled a new program to increase membership after a decades-long slide in membership numbers. The IBT unanimously approved on Friday, Jan. 19 the "Pumpkin Coach" program under which owners of Class A motorhomes manufactured by any company other than Airstream, Inc. can become AOAII members. The simple application of an AOAII approved "Airstream Edition" decal underneath the motorhome manufacturer's badge automatically transforms the motorhome into an Airstream product that qualifies its owners for AOAII membership. "You don't even need a magic wand" states Dangerfield, "only a small dish of water."

The decals are good for a 12 month period ending on July 4th each year, when at the stroke of midnight the motorhome turns back into a SOB [Some Other Brand]. But "fear not" says Dangerfield, "new decals, good for another one year period, are available from AOAII headquarters for only $75.00 per year. Just be sure to apply them before midnight."

The Pumpkin Patch program will be field tested the first year only on Class A motorhomes. If AOAII membership numbers rise, then the program will be expanded to all other types of recreational vehicles. "Airstream, Inc. can only produce about 2,500 travel trailers per year, far too few" notes Dangerfield. "We need a much larger membership universe to draw from, so in 2008 we intend to extend the Pumpkin Coach program to travel trailers and RVs of all brands." Again, the mere application of an "Airstream Edition" decal will transform any SOB travel trailer or RV into an AOAII-recognized Airstream product, qualifying its owner for membership under the expanded "Pumpkin RV" program.

When asked where the Airstream badges could be found on a non-Airstream brand recreational vehicle, Dangerfield bellowed "Badges? We aint got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges! ... when a little decal will do ya."

The inspiration for this innovative program came from the Board itself. Noting that dressing up an ordinary person in a snappy blazer, tie and beret transformed him or her into a respected leader, they realized the same principal could be applied to recreational vehicles. "It's all about distinctive surface appearance" ,says Dangerfield. "If we dress up the surface of a SOB, it too will become a leader among its peers. Every RV is entitled to respect" harrumphed Dangerfield.

Recounting that Airstream, Inc. recently entered the toy-toting market with the innovative Basecamp, Dangerfield hinted the AOAII might leapfrog the trailer manufacturer by jumping ahead into the utility trailer field. "There are a heck of a lot of horse trailers out there" observed Dangerfield, "and a fair amount of them are aluminum, reminiscent of our far distant heritage". The AOAII decals look particularly nostalgic on an aluminim surface. "Now that dogs will no longer be restricted to one far off area at our International Rally, we'll look into integrating horses at our 2009 International in Madison, Wisconsin. That should boost attendance. We'll just have to remind owners to bring larger pooper scoopers" sniffed Dangerfield.

"In 2010, we'll tackle the world of flatbed trailers, all sizes" expounded Dangerfield. "We're partnering with Kelty to make an 8' wide by 40' Airstream Edition branded tent to fit on a commercial flatbed trailer. Those 18 wheelers are already self-contained in the cab, and the extended family can sleep in the tent" during International. Having admitted diesel pushers for years, the AOAII looks forward to welcoming all thos "Airstream Edition" 18 wheeler deisel pullers as well. He predicts a constitutional amendmant to change the club to the AEOAII will pass handily.

2011 will see the program extended to people and renamed the "Pumpkin Person" program. "Anyone who wears an Airstream t-shirt, hat, bracelet or other item is, on the surface, an Airstream" said Dangerfield. "Why would they be denied the benefits of membership? Anyone wearing any Airstream branded item will be welcome to join the AEOAII, for a fee of course, which should further boost membership." Decal sales are projected to flatten in 2011, but people who want to to be recognized for their leadership potential can purchase "Four Winds" embroidered formal wear.

Finally, Dangerfield whispered he overheard some guys in berets talking to Saint Peter about "Pumpkin Gates" welcome plaques and co-branding "Airstream Edition" angel wings. When asked about the future for those who actually owned Airstream manufactured recreational vehicles, Rodney sharply remarked he had no knowledge of any AEOAII plans for such misguided souls, but suggested we contact them directly through the Red One in the netherworld, where such owners could be found.
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A Preview of Comming Attractions?

While on the road today, saw an interesting thing. While coming South on I-25 from Trinidad, CO towards home, there was a northbound tan Class A SOB with a 25 - 27 ft newer, but bald, Airstream in tow. Looks like someone has found the solution to the problem.
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Our current leaders likely have the opinion that they are the the heart and soul of the WBCCI. The International set talk to only the higher quality members (themselves). Polls, we don't need no polls, we know what is best for us and the WBCCI. WE have the control and the money and we aren't giving them up. We only need to give the lower class the appearance of inclusion, to keep them funding our fun. "Fun, Fellowship and Adventure FOR US" is our motto and we are enjoying it. Keep those dues rolling in.
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It is foolishness like this backhanded dealing that warrants the movement of Forrest McClure's amendment to separate the creation of bylaws and the power to pass on the constitutionality of those bylaws from the IBT and place it in the hands of the Deligates.

You may want to read up on this amendment

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f286...ion-59520.html

After which time you may want to look to

defendwally.org

and see how you can help curtail future such misconduct.
How was that again, that we could curtail misconduct in the future Howie?

What ever happened to that unit president e-mail of yours to see just how each unit weighed in on the issue of a motorhome study committee and the fact finding of Turner's claim for the motion?
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Lets look at an example of allowing none Airstreamers into an Airstream only system.

Traveler Rest in Fl. used to be an All Airstream Resort. Several years back during the last recession the attendance started to drop off. A vote was take to allow None Airstream unit in and to allow them to purchase lots. The Resort is now close to 75/25 and a major distinction is becoming apparent. The None Airstreamers are not the type that volunteer towards to support of the Resort activities, clubs, planning, the Snack Shop, and set up and clean up of activities in the hall. They prefer to enjoy the comforts without the work. Travelers Rest is still functioning but as the ratio increases in favor of None Airstreamers the Resort will deteriorate or cost will increase to offset the reduction in volunteerism.

Now that said there are quite a number of PIPs and other current Leaders that winter at Travelers Rest. After they get their SOBs which side will they support? Maybe Gold Row Seating in the hall Saturday night without the expectation of having to help put the chairs away after the show.
I had heard that too, that many International Past Presidents and current leaders winter at Traveler's Rest. Just curious now would that include Bob and his friends in the Metro New York Unit? In fact doesn't the past unit president of Metro New York, Joe C. and the incoming Metro New York unit president, Joe C.'s wife happen to spend their winters there with Bob and the other current and past WBCCI leaders? It's such a small small world, isn't it? There must be some serious club talk and hobnobbing going on there each season. We even have their son Nathan C. piping in and speaking on behalf of the Metro New York action regarding the DW law suit. It sounds like quite the family and friends network and place to comfortably combine WBCCI business with pleasure. How about you Howie do you stop each year? I find your example compellingly interesting on the perrils of what happens when you get a bunch of SOBs together.
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How was that again, that we could curtail misconduct in the future?
1. not to let you have passwords to the DW email account.

2. Then have bogus emails sent to DW email.

3. remind anyone emailing you that you will republish content of their private emails.

Now that Leo is openly attacking his friends and Metro unit in public that is very telling of the real Leo.

Leo will never get back in at the end of his two year sentence, because he can't change the way he strikes out with hatred of the club, it's painful.

He will not pay a lawyer to bring a suit.


Leo now that he declined reinstatement will never have an opportunity to do anything other than post on a forum, it's ashame he could have been an asset


Oh there was fact update on DW

Your rhetoric needs to stop you know Howie is away from internet access
so you pull this under handed attack when you know he can't respond.


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2. Then have bogus emails sent to DW email.
Ah, you might want to check that one out before you summarily dismiss whatever that was all about, because it sure as heck wasn't me. My words are just that, MY words, and I own up to them proudly. I have no need for pretense. Is that your best shot then? Now how about we get some answers about the IBT meetings and the committees that were formed on July 5th and who was appointed when by whom? We are just trying to get a clear cut idea of what's what these days in current events.

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I'm not going tit for tat with you, believe what you will.

Are you sure about Tim's sig?

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He agreed with the committee so much so, the VAC Pres nominated him for the 5th seat. He believed in the opportunity to help the club.

He understood the value, you just don't get it.

All you want to do is scorch the earth.

Move on it's over as far as your reinstatement, you had your chances and declined.


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All in a days work.

I'd say the IBT/EC7 have been working for "their" WBCCI. Let's look at the work they've done since June.

1. Form another commitee without anyone knowing about.

2. Get leaders of the group/Unit that was going to sue the IBT/EC7 in an effort to right the wrongs of thier mis-management to lay down their arms.

3. Get the leaders of the opposing group to think the IBT/EC7 idea is the best way to go and even get some of the leaders of that opposing group to join the IBT/EC7 side.

4. Expell the loudest opposing voice and get him thrown in front of the bus.

5. Make the leader of the opposing group (that you got on board with the IBT/EC7 new commitee group) the "fall guy" for the opposing group to the point where the rest of the members of the opposing group will go after him and never trust him again while taking the heat off the IBT/EC7 and some others.

6. Get people demanding their money back they put up for the original law-suit.

7. Make it to where members of the WBCCI will ever trust a group that say's they are going to sue the IBT/EC7 in the future for anything, getting rid of the chance they will ever have to deal with this type of thing again.

8. Keep the WBCCI members that got out a couple of years ago and helped kill the MOHO issue focused on the law-suit issue, get them yelling and screaming at each other while the IBT/EC7 starts putting in place what needs to be done to get other MOHO's in the club.

9. Start packing all your gear and head for Travelers Rest in Fl to sit back and laugh your a** off at the DW-Save Wally effort as you slap each other on the back for a job well done.

10. Start putting paperwork in place to bring the MOHO up at mid-winter IBT and make sure it passes next July.



In the past, I often thought the people in the IBT/EC7 were not the smartest group for the way they ran the club. I can see now, they are smart as h*ll, for they just killed, gutted and ate the very opposing voices that were holding their feet to the fire.


Hope to see you guys at the "White Tux" party and travel on the members of the WBCCI's nickel in the future as I drive down the road in my new THOR motorhome.
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