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Old 07-11-2010, 10:15 PM   #155
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I agree that this puts the whole thing in a different light. But why does WBCCI need to form a committee to find out what Thor and Airstream plans for an Airstream motorhome? Why not just ask them, doesn't the club have a personal relationship with the executives at Airstream?

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Old 07-12-2010, 12:54 AM   #156
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That sheds a different light on the issue
Different yes; good, I dunno.

Now we know one member and 12 unit presidents supported this motion in May. It appears nothing was mentioned before the region 4 rally or the results after and it didn't get warranted to be listed on the meeting agendas or sent to poll unit members or be discussed during the general attendance meetings at the International.

This is only a fact finding report and not the bringing forth of a motion it has been stated over again. Basically we are told we didn't need to know or concern ourselves or be involved with this motion and it was represented to have the support of the membership and it was put through without membership discussion, because we are told it isn't necessary it is only fact finding. But who is to say what is our business or is not? Who is to say it's not so bad so we just did it, it won't be a motion just a report, it came from membership they want it, it's only going forward so it's OK, it's of no concern because we are only checking with Airstream and Thor no need to consult or bother the members of the club that might cause a bruhaha. Why drag them all in to comment and get worked up again. We, the IBT can just get it all ready and set it up so we know how to fix this. Why ask the members? Yes it's new business and procedure but it's really not necessary to make a big deal out of this. They are kind enough to spare us from superfluous thinking and voting and they are able to make those determinations of what is important and what isn't for us. But hey if not...it's from the membership, they want it, afterall, that's why we, the IBT, did it and did it this way...

Different yes; good, I dunno.

Of course if Airstream and Thor make Airstream motorhomes the problem is solved. The motion was for motorhomes for past and current members, but it doesn't matter it's just fact finding. And it really wasn't voted upon by the members of region 4, but it doesn't matter it's just fact finding. Well many think it doesn't matter, but I think maybe it does. Trust the membership enough to bring them into the decision making if you are going to say they are the ones that wanted this committee to be formed to do this and to bring it to the midwinter IBT prepared. The IBT will be prepared, but it's not necessary that membership prepare or even know about it. It's just fact finding. Well hey and so is this just another fact finding expedition. Since we know that decisions are made on our behalf without our knowlege than it is even more important to dig out the facts that are not spontaneously forthcoming and transparent. Who knows what other actionable items may be accepted without our having known about it and decisions made in private discussion.
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Old 07-12-2010, 01:32 AM   #157
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John Turner: "John Turner, President Region 4
I move that the IBT create a committee and that the International President appoint the committee members to study the acceptance of a Class A motorhome manufactured by Thor Manufacturing into the WBCCI for current and past members.

To move this forward as soon as possible it would be beneficial if the committee could bring a report to the mid-winter IBT in January 2011."

IP: "Is there a second? June Ryan. Is there any discussion from the board? Excuse me. Please read your rationale."

John Turner: "Rationale: We are representing only 2/3rds of the membership by not having a Class A motorhome available to current and past members to replace the units they have or had. As time passes we are losing alot of motorhome members and potential members. The motorhome owner could be issued a special decal by WBCCI designating it as a Special Edition Airstream. The member owning one of these motorhomes would be able to continue in the WBCCI.

This motion came from Region 4 units, was approved by the Region 4 Board, 13 out of 14 units voted 'yes'."

IP: "Thank you. Is there any discussion from the Board?"
I'm a little confused about just where it says anything about talking to Thor and Airstream about building an Airstream motorhome. Maybe it was lost in the transcription from the broadcast. Maybe I'm just don't understand what "the acceptance of a Class A Motorhome manufactured by Thor Manufacturing into the WBCCI" means. I hope somebody can explain it to me.

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It sounds like they are going to ask Airstream if they will allow their name to be put on an SOB albeit the mother company it still is not an Airstream. And as in the discussion it was reiterated that Airstream refused before and wanted no part of guaranteeing another Thor division product.

But the explaination given most recently mentions Airstream and Thor building a motorhome, which is also problematic. What happens when the next person thinks their motorhome has timed out or if a person of that motorhome model wants to be in WBCCI (lord only would know why though...)or any other motorhome owner, for that matter. Is Airstream to put on trim and a badge per custom order on a different brand motorhome whenever someone wants a new one? Wasn't it Thor that pulled the plug on the anniversary iconic shaped Airstream motorhome and new factory in favor of a Thor corporate office but now they will sell some of their boxed brands to AS for the WBCCI? Will they continue the deep discount program for the SOB models to officers as they did with the Airstream motorhomes? So many questions and no way to have them answered. Hmmm. A fortuitous accident perhaps? Pay your dues and pick up a decal and voila the SOB instantly becomes a sanctioned Airstream. What's more cozy still is not only can they stay in the club but they can still continue to run it. They can still be IBT, or even EC7 and preside from their special places.
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Old 07-12-2010, 06:08 AM   #159
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I agree that this puts the whole thing in a different light. But why does WBCCI need to form a committee to find out what Thor and Airstream plans for an Airstream motorhome? Why not just ask them, doesn't the club have a personal relationship with the executives at Airstream?

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WBCCI has office space at Airstream at Jackson Center, as I understand it. It would be interesting to know exactly what the appointed committee is looking into---i.e. what they are asking of Airstream and Thor. It just makes no sense, as currently explained.


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You make that sound as if they are at the Airstream Factory. The club office is down the street and it has been a number of years since the company Airstream gave financial support to your club. Thor is not located in Jackson Center Ohio either, just one of many RV companies they own is.
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Let me just point out that having an official Committee look into this idea and report out at the next Mid-Winter IBT meeting makes this more whole activity transparent to the members of WBCCI. That is a good thing.

Yes, the club has a relationship with Airstream and Thor could have done this behind closed doors where the membership would have had no idea that anything was going on. That would probably have got everyone even more up in arms.

Let's just let this go for now and not make more of it than there really is. Knowing that this activity is going on we can monitor the progress. Beating up the club for stating what they are going to study publicly serves no useful purpose.
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Old 07-12-2010, 07:19 AM   #162
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You make that sound as if they are at the Airstream Factory. The club office is down the street and it has been a number of years since the company Airstream gave financial support to your club. Thor is not located in Jackson Center Ohio either, just one of many RV companies they own is.
My understanding was that Airstream gave them office space. I did understand that to be at JC, but thanks for clarifying.

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Old 07-12-2010, 08:21 AM   #163
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A little birdie sent me this link.

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Thor Corporate Headquarters are at Airstream Corporate Headquarters at Jackson Center. They even share a P.O. Box.


It all gets curiouser and curiouser.

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It sounds like they are going to ask Airstream if they will allow their name to be put on an SOB albeit the mother company it still is not an Airstream. And as in the discussion it was reiterated that Airstream refused before and wanted no part of guaranteeing another Thor division product.

. . . What happens when the next person thinks their motorhome has timed out or if a person of that motorhome model wants to be in WBCCI (lord only would know why though...)or any other motorhome owner, for that matter. Is Airstream to put on trim and a badge per custom order on a different brand motorhome whenever someone wants a new one? Wasn't it Thor that pulled the plug on the anniversary iconic shaped Airstream motorhome and new factory in favor of a Thor corporate office but now they will sell some of their boxed brands to AS for the WBCCI?
Maybe the EC7 is also working in deep background on a proposal to change the club name from the Wally Byam Caravan Club International to the Airstream Decal Club International?

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Will they continue the deep discount program for the SOB models to officers as they did with the Airstream motorhomes? So many questions and no way to have them answered. Hmmm. A fortuitous accident perhaps? Pay your dues and pick up a decal and voila the SOB instantly becomes a sanctioned Airstream. What's more cozy still is not only can they stay in the club but they can still continue to run it. They can still be IBT, or even EC7 and preside from their special places.
Bingo!!
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Does anyone know when (or if) the audio of the IBT meetings at the International will be posted (archived)? I was out of contact during the meetings and I would very much like to listen to what went on.
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Thor Corp has it's offices at 803 E Pike St. Jackson Center Ohio.
WBCCI has it's headquarters at 419 W Pike St Jackson Center Ohio.
WBCCI does have a PO Box #612

Yes there used to be a financial relationship between Airstream Corp and WBCCI but that relationship was severed several years ago.

IP used to get Demo models for a year and could purchase them at the end of the year at a severe discount. Airstream used to support the Club directly to the tone of $100,000.00 per year.

This type of relationship made good business sense when the Club had 20,000 plus members but now it would not provide any measurable return to the Company and has been dropped.
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Thor Corp has it's offices at 803 E Pike St. Jackson Center Ohio.
WBCCI has it's headquarters at 419 W Pike St Jackson Center Ohio.
WBCCI does have a PO Box #612
Thor and Airstream share an address and P.O. Box, was the point.

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Thor and Airstream share an address and P.O. Box, was the point.

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Thor's corporate headquarters are in Jackson Center, OH. The top executives are in NYC.

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