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Old 07-10-2010, 09:42 AM   #127
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Just a thought.

If we are now considering allowing SOB RVs into the Club why not allow SOBs to be elected to office. I know one SOB from Long Island that would love to run.
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Old 07-10-2010, 09:46 AM   #128
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This is a reply I got from one of the Region #4 unit Presidents. Read it closely and see if you think they have any idea of when, where or how this vote was taken. We are now dealing with "Creative Facts" and "Vague Recollection"

Howard...

As I remember, this issue came up a while ago and our unit voted unanimously in favor of it. We still fully support this motion
He may have been referring to the first time around several years ago. If there was a vote at the spring business meeting I think his recollection would be better. Can we have chart of responses from the region 4 units? And can you ask the unit officer to report as to the minutes of the vote?
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Old 07-10-2010, 09:51 AM   #129
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Any word yet from region 4 officers or members?
I have heard nothing back. The silence is deafening, and speaks volumes.

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Old 07-10-2010, 10:11 AM   #130
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I have heard nothing back. The silence is deafening, and speaks volumes.
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I wouldn't make that much of it. We use the internet for nearly all reservations and have found that at least half of the reservers check email once a week, at best. (The other half can't understand why we don't check email more than several times a day.)


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Region 4 may not be that into internet. The list of units only shows 3 as even having a web site on WBCCI.org.
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Region 4 may not be that into internet. The list of units only shows 3 as even having a web site on WBCCI.org.
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That's not so bad. Take a look at region 6. Then you will know why I wanted that quote you found for me
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Hmmm, wow region 6 has only 1 web site out of 11 units! And this is after we have an electronic communication chair and unit web design templates and help available and a promotional PR chair with budgets!
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So far at least 4 different attempts, via e mail, have been made to contact the Presidents of the Region #4 units that have e mail addresses. The lack of response goes way beyond coincidence. Clearly the troops have rallied around Turner in their silence but not willing to go so far as to make a statement supporting that silence that later can not be supported.

10 of the 14 units Presidents have e mail address. Two of them list their address as Dade City Fl. the home stomping grounds for the "Leadership".
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Hmmm, wow region 6 has only 1 web site out of 11 units! And this is after we have an electronic communication chair and unit web design templates and help available and a promotional PR chair with budgets!
Not only is there only one website, but the region does not have one either
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This is what I received back from the sole Unit President out of Region 4 who has responded. I have removed identifying information.

"Hello,

Here is what I found out. If I undertsand it correctly... A vote was taken at the region ralley. I was not in attendence. (I still work full time) So the ------ Unit vice voted yes, as acting person, however, I and many of the ------ Unit are dead set against this....

My personal opinion is, if they dont want to buy an Airstream, then you dont join the club. I personally dont want to be part of Bastardizing this club with X-brand campers motorhomes or tents. There are other clubs they can join."

So, there may be something to Turner's statements, but was this actually representative of Region 4 and why not on the agenda for something which was clearly not a last-minute issue? In the context of all this other stuff, it just feels a little slick. Those not at the Unit 4 Region rally were not able to cast votes on this matter, apparently, and perhaps also were not aware this matter was coming up for a vote.

We suggested at our May business meeting that we have an agenda prior to each business meeting and also that there be a means of remote voting on substantive issues if you are not able to be present at the business meeting. We were told then that there had been an edict from above to implement electronic voting, but not when that was to begin. We feel that emailed agendas prior to meetings, and info on issues should be easy enough to do, also that those who don't have email (or don't wish to publicize their address), can do the snail mail thing.

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So are we to assume this so called 13 of 14 units voting was not a result of individual units voting through their membership but rather a vote cast by those attending a Regional Rally with no prior input from the units membership.

There used to be a common tactic used in voting in the early days of Unions. Call for a meeting of the membership, of 1,000 members, to be held in the Union hall that seated 100 people for 8 o'clock and have your friends show up at 7:30.

The IBT has advanced this to new heights. Hold a meeting the day after the majority has gone home. This is a much better method as there is no angry crowd waiting outside with baseball bats.
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region 4 letter

Howie,

I just received a copy of what appears to be your letter to region 4. It was forwarded to all members of The Tennessee Cumberland Plateau Campground (TCPC) with out comment.
The member who sent it is listed with a Fla address so I don't know if they are part of region 4 also.
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There are 2 officers of Region #4 that have Fl. addresses. Please PM me that letter so I can determine it's source.
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Just checked the FMCA (Family Motorcoach Assoc) Membersip directory, and there are 7 families named "Turner" but no "John Turner" from Michigan.
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