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Old 06-30-2012, 06:17 PM   #85
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My feeling is the Moho thing was put off because they new it would be defeated. Jim
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Old 06-30-2012, 06:55 PM   #86
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My feeling is the Moho thing was put off because they new it would be defeated. Jim
Word I got was that it likely would have passed if constitutionality questions had not been posed.
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My feeling is the Moho thing was put off because they new it would be defeated. Jim
I think you are exactly right Jim. If they had the votes to pass, the CBL chairman would have said it was not a problem and let the voting begin. No need to send it to him.
This way, another year to get some votes.
I wish it could have been voted up or down. The people that want to stay in the club with the MH's would like to know there fate as well as those strongly opposed would like it settled as well. WBCCI will lose somebody regardless of the the vote.
Punting this to next year serves no purpose.
Not a good day for the IBT.
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The IBT was the sponsor of the SOB motorhome amendment twice. They lost the first time and now it gets pushed off another year. It is not good for them or for the club. Jim S. (PIP) echoed Jim H. (PIP) saying it will return over and over. If the membership stays strong it will be defeated again.
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The one good thing that can be said about today was the audio feed worked flawlessly in spite of a lousy connection on this end.

Thanks to whoever handled that one
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Old 06-30-2012, 08:52 PM   #90
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why isn't there some info here about the rally - pictures of people having fun, entertainment, etc.? Instead, I am just reading about problems - no wonder the numbers keep going down. It just sounds like a bunch of board members, etc. talking. Why would anyone look at all this site and wish they were there. Is there another site that shows something GOOD going on at the rally? We have 10-20 rigs at our unit rallies and have FUN!!
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You want pics and updates from the rally? There's lots of that on the WBCCI and the VAC presence on Facebook!

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The IBT was the sponsor of the SOB motorhome amendment twice. They lost the first time and now it gets pushed off another year. It is not good for them or for the club. Jim S. (PIP) echoed Jim H. (PIP) saying it will return over and over. If the membership stays strong it will be defeated again.
What we really need is an amendment that limits the number of times the same amendment can be rehashed. I'd like to see it at twice; if it doesn't pass after two tries, it can't come back again.

However, even if such an amendment were to come about, it would be more likely to end up as "three strikes, you're out," meaning that after the third time an amendment is defeated, it's defeated forever. But even that would eliminate the specter of the MOHO amendment coming up for a vote every year until all the people that want it have died off.
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next meeting

The new officers/ IBT should be having another meeting near the end of the rally.
Anyone have the date and whether the audio will be streamed?

I haven't found anything on the web site about it.

Possibly it will give us some indication of where the next IP plans to take the club.
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The meeting will be held on the 5th of July.
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That audio will also be streamed and posted online
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Where does the International go from here?

The membership directory lists the international attendance on pages 20 and 21.
These are the numbers in Parenthesis.

The only rally with lower attendance that this one was the first rally in Bull Shoals in 1958.

The best attendance was in Louisville in 1976. at 4493. It has been pretty much downhill from there with only a few minor blips.

Typically the attendance has been 10% or greater of the total membership number. This years attendance is below the 10% number of aprox 5600 members.

International attendance is now down 90% since 1976 and 50% in 3 years.

I am not sure what needs to be done to fix this, probably lots of little things and then perhaps a slow climb back would begin.

My feeling is that we do need a new constitution, or at least a heavily amended old one to bring the club up to date. It seems to take a year to 2 years to get any action on an amendment.

The motor home amendment needs to be put to rest one way or the other so members can make decisions as to what to do. (buy a thor or quit the club)

I don't see either of these items being settled in the immediate future.

At this point the question really is how low can International attendance go before the rally implodes from its cost structure. It must be getting close.

Likewise how much longer can we go before the club looks for another dues increase to keep the club solvent?

Does any one see a way to stop this downhill spiral of both the rally and the club??
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The Delegates meeting audio files have been uploaded to the web. Enjoy
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The best attendance was in Louisville in 1976. at 4493. It has been pretty much downhill from there with only a few minor blips.
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Does any one see a way to stop this downhill spiral of both the rally and the club??
The numbers themselves speak loudly and clearly. They can only be interpreted in one way: the club doesn't meet people's needs today.

I am new, so my observations have to be limited to what I know so far. What I noticed right off is that there is deep entrenchment and inflexibility built-in to the massive structure of by-laws and constitution. In short, the structure itself doesn't accommodate change easily enough, and thus strangles itself from adapting to new needs of new members. Ergo, the club is not built to change, and may simply auger into the ground.

To be very clear, my comments are not intended to disparage any persons. I love the people we meet at club events. But the "mechanics" that drive the club are at fault. Just witness the overall energy that has been applied (wasted) during this MoHo question for a couple years now. That's an example of frozen stasis.

The most viable solution to "Airstream comradery" - the actual goal - is to begin all over with a new club.
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