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Old 04-19-2005, 08:57 AM   #15
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The Blue Beret is really a glorified newsletter that keeps the membership informed of upcoming events, schedules and a few Airstreaming tidbits. It is not necessarily an advertising venue, (it does have some adverts but they are not the backbone of the magazine as the membership dues pays for the magazine for the most part), Oh yeah, those pesky membership dues.............. that also pay for the International Rally, The IBT meeting and International Officers and Infrastructure.Smily
Thank you Ken,
I feel the publication does what it's supposed to: It keeps its members informed, it doesn't waste money on flashy high gloss color print and paper, and tries to bring a large group together through a common interest. If they spent big $$$ on a slick publication I'd be concerned about who was making the decisions but they don't, they spend their funds wisely and frugally IMHO.
As for Airstream Life, it's a nice flashy magazine that certainly looks nice on the coffe table but come on it's $8 an issue. Are we getting our moneys worth with that???? Have I gotten so much out of reading it that its $32 yearly cost of subscription is invaluable? We are deciding that now with our subscription up for renewal. Have I gotten my $55 out of my WBCCI yearly dues and do I find it invaluable? YES, YES, YES I knew it was right for me the first weekend rally we went to a month after we bought our AS. I commend all of the people who work so hard planning, and running those events.
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Old 04-19-2005, 08:51 PM   #16
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Hope folks don't mind, but could we return to the main thrust of the thread? That's to make positive suggestions for improvement of the association!

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Old 04-20-2005, 07:04 PM   #17
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How about adding phone numbers and e-mail addresses to the directory so that we can easily contact other members? Most of the younger members (under 65) are computer literate and don't often use snail mail, except for birthday cards and bills. Snail mail is just too slow if you want any information.

I like the idea of having the magazine and directory electronically so it can be searched. I assume that they are both generated on a computer. It shouldn't be much additional work to have it available electronically.

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Old 04-20-2005, 07:11 PM   #18
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Hey all...

Hi I'm new here. I'm also new to Airstreams and just purchased a beautiful 1975 Tradewind LY. What does membership to WBCCI get you and how much does it cost?

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Old 04-20-2005, 07:19 PM   #19
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I sure agree with adding email addresses! I'd also like to see email and web addresses (where available) for the WBCCI discount parks.

Actually, I'm working on just that project for myself. It's slow going -- and also discovered that I made a Big Boo-Boo when copying from Word into a database. (Bill Gates strikes again; details upon request.) IFFF I can ever get it finished, I guess I could make it available to other folks, too, with the appropriate provisos (i.e., not responsible for errors, blah, blah, blah).


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I sure agree with adding email addresses!
Count me out. The last thing I need is my email address being published. That's just another invitation for more spam.
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Old 04-20-2005, 09:00 PM   #21
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Count me out. The last thing I need is my email address being published. That's just another invitation for more spam.

And the phone numbers, while a good idea in theory creates the same issue but with an additional issue. Someone with bad intentions has a handy guide that has home addresses and phone number of all members, with 20% of them at International and most of them traveling for weeks/months at a time. I would not want my phone number to be in it.


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The Blue Beret is really a glorified newsletter that keeps the membership informed of upcoming events, schedules and a few Airstreaming tidbits. It is not necessarily an advertising venue, (it does have some adverts but they are not the backbone of the magazine as the membership dues pays for the magazine for the most part), Oh yeah, those pesky membership dues..............
Ken and I discussed this when the issue first came up. He would have edited his thread, but could not do so.

He was unaware of the fact that if you look at the Financials from Headquarters you will see that the Blue Beret is 100%+ paid for through the advertising revenue that is collected. There is no out of pocket cost to the club for the magizine. I believe they are doing a good job with it for the purpose it is supposed to serve, and they are doing it without costing the club a bunch of money. But to say that the membership dues go for the magizine is just not accurate.
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Question, with no phone numbers and no email addresses, how would you contact a member? By US mail?

A few months ago, we wanted to go on a South Coast Unit rally, luckily I was able to contact one of the officers and obtain the president's phone number, he only lives 3 miles away. If I had to rely on the US Mail, I might still be waiting for information on the March Rally.

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And the phone numbers, while a good idea in theory creates the same issue but with an additional issue. Someone with bad intentions has a handy guide that has home addresses and phone number of all members, with 20% of them at International and most of them traveling for weeks/months at a time. I would not want my phone number to be in it.
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Old 04-20-2005, 09:27 PM   #23
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Question, with no phone numbers and no email addresses, how would you contact a member? By US mail?

A few months ago, we wanted to go on a South Coast Unit rally, luckily I was able to contact one of the officers and obtain the president's phone number, he only lives 3 miles away. If I had to rely on the US Mail, I might still be waiting for information on the March Rally.
Each unit President often has his contact information published in the Blue Beret, or if not the unit President the unit membership chairperson is listed on the WBCCI site. Headquarters also has all of the contact information for all of the officers of any unit. Each unit has a directory, this directory normally does have phone number and email address in it. The method you used was one right/correct way to do it. Not that any of us want to keep members from contacting us when need arises, but it does create some safeguards. Not that I dislike the idea of a national directory with the additional information in it, but you would have to allow those that wish to opt out, do so. That means it will not actually be the resource that we are striving to have.

There is not, I fear, an easy answer to this one.......

BTW the answer to your question is yes.............
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Old 05-14-2005, 04:51 PM   #24
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I am sure you received many replies lamenting MS stuff. I personally only use things like IE when some dumb company insists on it to download an upgrade. Somewhere in all of this forum comments have been made about users of PC's/Email, etc. We are members of region 12. Only the club president and myself use computers and have email.
On another topic I too find the Blue Beret somewhat lacking sponitinuity but our lacal newsletter gets the word out. And the Blue Beret is a good means of getting info on rallies in other areas. An example is we are considering going to the Washington State Potlatch Rally and enjoy the comeradie there. Like they said in a Landmark Education Forum - Life is a Conversation. So listen & speak
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Get more members like the guy that published his very real views of what WBCCI needs for the 21st century in a recent Blue Beret.

Put all the rest of the administration of WBCCI out to pasture.

That will make WBCCI a more in step org, regardless if it's made of volunteers or not IMHO......least those folks who are donating all their time would have some better leadership and better chances of connecting with folks while trying to maintain some of the things that made and I stress made WBCCI great, but it's too late in the game for WBCCI to rest on it's past, and they can't expect folks to pay to fix a broken club, so, that said...best of luck to them...my numbers are in a landfill pushing up weeds and grass.....

I say, WBCCI is dead, long live WBCCI.
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Old 05-14-2005, 07:38 PM   #26
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"can't expect folks to pay to fix a broken club"

A lot of us are fixing our Airstreams, why not fix the club?

The question is where to start.

From my experience, suggestions to hq go nowhere so the only profit there is an occasional reminder and a bit of hope that maybe someone at that level can cut through the cruft.

So what is left is the local Unit. And there is a lot you can do there. Do you support, participate in, and enjoy the folks in your local Unit? Do you know everyone who owns an Airstream within a 100 miles of where you live? Have you invited them, personally and individually and repeatedly, to a local rally? Are your rallies in the event calendars of the local newspapers? Do you do more rallies than luncheons and have some event at least ten of the twelve months of the year?

Are there Airstream folks you just can't stand? What do you do about it? Are you maybe one of those folks others can't stand? What do you do about that?

Does your local Unit grow and change and try new things? Do you support the Unit by participating in things you don't think (or that you even know) you don't like?

Do you help others in your Unit do things, even outside of Unit events?

Do you plan shared event with nearby Units? Do you visit events of nearby Units?

Maybe make it an activity at your event to have a brainstorming session and see if you can expand on this list - and then go do something.

If you know of an Airstreamer who lets his rig sit for more than a month in your area, your Unit has some work to do!
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The question is where to start.

From my experience, suggestions to hq go nowhere ...
Start at the top.

The members of the International Executive Comittee should be elected on an open slate by the general membership.

I was looking through the April Blue Beret the other day ... and read through each and every "nomination" for office. They were resumes highlighting WBCCI Experience, Family, Health, Education, Career, etc.

Where were their statements of vision and goals for the club? Where are my choices among candidates? And where is my ballot? Why is this stuff even published?

Any member who desires to run for office at any level should be allowed to do so.
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Old 05-14-2005, 10:41 PM   #28
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Where were their statements of vision and goals for the club? Where are my choices among candidates? And where is my ballot? Why is this stuff even published?
Right on the money in my view! Mission Accountability (re coheridy.com): an effective guiding vision, goals that actually mean something ...

I've only seen one. For 3rd VP or some such - sent a letter to Units. He nearly dropped out due to the bigotry he experienced, but then decided some of what p^2 described was needed. Go for it! - he's got my vote.

There are some very tough things that need to be done at the top. I don't see vision. I don't see goals. I don't see accountability for objectives.

I do see excuses. I do see plattitudes. I do see bigotry (harsh word, I know, but its the only one I can think of that applies). I do see a 'stuck in the rut' mentaility. I do see a very poor comparison to such things as Good Sam's national shindig or the Burning Man rally in terms of communications, operations, success, outreach, vision, immagination, and on and on.

I also see good people, well intentioned people, smart and dedicated people - but what business in its right might would celebrate tenure of a person overseeing its loss of clientelle by over 50% in a growing market?

Sine the Boise International, where we prepared a four page constructive critique and received not so much as an acknowledgement, my experience at the top has been that any effort to change that requires significantly more resources that I have available. So we are working on the bottom. Having a lot of fun at it, too. And a good degree of success as well. Who knows, maybe some things can percolate up?

But you sure hit the nail on the head and offered a dam' good suggestion, too!
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