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Old 12-12-2013, 10:48 PM   #71
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They never promised a chicken in every pot.
Huey Long did!

Anyway, the simple fact is that in addition to being a club, WBCCI is a non-profit organization, and some things cannot be changed due to the rules and regulations associated with managing a non-profit organization.

But that still leaves a huge potential for improvement in other areas.

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I mentioned the need for a WBCCI app earlier, and others have echoed that sentiment. But to amplify that, one of the great— and greatly under-utilized— benefits of WBCCI is one provided by the members themselves, not by the organization. Namely, courtesy parking. An Allstays-styled app that allows one to easily find courtesy parking while on the road from a smart-phone, without having to pull out a dog-eared paper directory, would be just the ticket.

Courtesy parking is already a better deal than Good Sam OR Passport America, especially since it's free. If you can find it when and where you need it. So make it easier to find.
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Old 12-13-2013, 08:35 AM   #72
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A lot of talk about an app.... I agree an WBCCI app would be great... Any WBCCI member want to step up and write it? For Iphone and Android? If so please contact me and get can get the ball rolling as the IBT is in a few weeks and we would need to get approval.

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Old 12-13-2013, 10:08 AM   #73
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I mentioned the need for a WBCCI app earlier, and others have echoed that sentiment. But to amplify that, one of the great— and greatly under-utilized— benefits of WBCCI is one provided by the members themselves, not by the organization. Namely, courtesy parking. An Allstays-styled app that allows one to easily find courtesy parking while on the road from a smart-phone, without having to pull out a dog-eared paper directory, would be just the ticket.
As a result of off-line discussion, I've come up with an alteration of my suggestion.

Don't make a smartphone app for courtesy parking. There are significant problems with making personal information available online through an app.

Instead, make it a "Point of Interest" file for GPS. I know that Garmin GPS units let you install custom POI files; I'm pretty sure others do, too.

Using a POI file instead of a smartphone app makes it accessible to members who don't yet use smartphones or tablets. You don't have to be online to access it, and if you're a host, your contact info doesn't appear online, either. You don't even have to be online to obtain it. You could request it from WBCCI, and have it mailed to you on whatever media works best for updating your GPS, either CD, micro-SD, or flash drive. One would expect that you'd have to pay postage and the cost of the media, of course.

The POI database for courtesy parking could even be inserted into the annual directory issue of Blue Beret; I've received issues of Construction Specifier magazine that had a flash drive glued to a bound-in card, and computer magazines insert CDs and DVDs into their magazines all the time. This would have the effect of limiting distribution of the POI database to those people who are on the distribution list for Blue Beret already.

That one issue of Blue Beret each year would cost a bit more to produce because of the insert and the need to plastic-wrap it to keep the inserted media from coming out, but by the same token, a plastic-wrapped directory issue would help keep your directory from getting damaged in transit before you ever receive it.

The only functional difference between the POI file and the courtesy parking listing in the directory is that the location would show up on your GPS map display when you're close enough, and allow you to use the GPS to get directions. The POI file would not contain any other information that's not already in the directory.

Of course, one would expect that all WBCCI members have the common courtesy not to just show up on a host's doorstep unannounced as a result of an icon popping up on their GPS. A GPS icon for courtesy parking would not constitute invitation or permission any more than a GPS campground icon constitutes a reservation.

All that would be necessary to implement the POI file would be a comma-delineated database of courtesy parking providers, with correct addresses and contact info, and a simple WBCCI icon that would pop up on the GPS screen for each host. Such as the Wally smiley that we already have:
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It is very easy to make your own POI file if you have the time to locate all those addresses and determine the coordinates. I make many of my own files for specific trips.
A good source of how to info as well as many useful POI files can be found at POI Factory | new & interesting places for your GPS. Since they are basically .csv files they can also be read on most any device without a dedicated AP
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It doesn't seem all that hard to use the map we already have.
http://wbcci.org/club-information/co...sy-parking-map
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Can you search that map on a phone app while driving? If not, it seems that you might be the type of person who would say, "Why use TV? Radio works perfectly." Technology moves so quick, and if you don't keep up, you get left behind. That applies to WBCCI as well...
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Can you search that map on a phone app while driving? If not, it seems that you might be the type of person who would say, "Why use TV? Radio works perfectly." Technology moves so quick, and if you don't keep up, you get left behind. That applies to WBCCI as well...
I hope no one is searching any phone app while driving
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If keeping up with technology is the only problem that the WBCCI and the other major RV clubs need to solve in order to deal with falling membership, then I guess there's nothing more to discuss!

No, while the tech committee is making progress in just this area, I kind of doubt that fixing it up will suddenly cause hordes of people to join who wouldn't otherwise do so. This is just one of a series of additions we need to consider for the club.


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Humm. Ok, so more weekend and local orientation. Of course, one could ask units to put on more weekend stuff (though I suspect that a fair number of them already are weekend events). If events are longer, then they should at least include a weekend and should make a point of accepting those members who arrive Friday night/Saturday morning. Regionally, we could ask that each region have at least (say) four region rallies through the year, each one a weekend event, and each one at a different geographic location within the region (very important especially for our very large regions in the west). Do you think that kind of thing would help? Lynn
I would concur on shorter caravans. We are working Airstreamers (young is a state of mind for us these days). We owned our trailer for several years before we joined WBCCI. We did not see any value in joining. We could not participate in the long caravans, we could not go to Regional or Unit events (like lunch meetings due to location during work week)... We attended the Florida State Rally our first year of owning an AS and the "pomp" and rules (no wine/alcohol at dinner) put us off the club. What we enjoyed was meeting other Airstreamers. We ultimately joined a Unit and they hold a good number of rally weekends per year. We have yet to attend a regional rally. What would attract more members: value for membership, and I realize that varies - among individuals and age groups and socio- and economic situations. I think they do need to get more technically progressive (better web tools for camping, caravaning and info sharing....think: there's an app for that!). Reducing the "pomp"...uniforms and dinner prayer, would help. Someone mentioned polling for feedback. Personal reach out might help - conduct forums at the bigger rallies, regional rallies to introduce the club, and request input. Other than my Unit officers, I have never met a national level officer. We have been to Alumapalooza 3 times and never got the sense that the club's office building was open, welcoming or acknowledged there were hundreds of members and potential members just down the road. I don't recall a national level officer standing out to me...could have been in attendance, but how would I know? I don't think the price point is bad, but it's what do we get for that price that concerns us. We see the value in the Unit membership, not the National or Regional level.
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If keeping up with technology is the only problem that the WBCCI and the other major RV clubs need to solve in order to deal with falling membership, then I guess there's nothing more to discuss!

No, while the tech committee is making progress in just this area, I kind of doubt that fixing it up will suddenly cause hordes of people to join who wouldn't otherwise do so. This is just one of a series of additions we need to consider for the club.


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I think the tech committee has done an outstanding job in the last couple years.
If I were not a member I probably would not join just based on that, but it has made doing things much easier and I look forward to on line renewal.

Compared to the club of even 5 years ago much progress has been made in many areas.
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Give me a local unit that has an evening meeting where I can grab a bite off the menu, a beer and the business stuff is over in :15 because the kids are hungry and the food arrived. Rotate the leadership thru the members on an annual basis. Anyone should be able to pIck a weekend and a campground that should be all that's required for a Rally. Pranks shouldn't be tolerated, they should be Scored. The mid summer meeting should involve a swimming pool, flowery shirts and coconut bra's.

Just a few suggestions...I can think up some more if you want.
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To get the ideas—or the good ones—implemented, reformers have to take over the club. I know some are moving up through the cumbersome system apparently designed to restrict change, but it takes too long. You have to play the politics of the club to get enough reformers in office to make for real change. I'm sure there are some people working behind the scenes, but more are needed.

That is necessary before anything else gets done.

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$155 fine for that in Ontario. Why not plan ahead.
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To get the ideas—or the good ones—implemented, reformers have to take over the club. I know some are moving up through the cumbersome system apparently designed to restrict change, but it takes too long. You have to play the politics of the club to get enough reformers in office to make for real change. I'm sure there are some people working behind the scenes, but more are needed.

That is necessary before anything else gets done.

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To get reformers , eliminate the Nominating committee. Why should 2 or 3 selected members get to decide who runs for office? If all interested parties have their resume and bio available for the March Blue Beret the units would have time to discuss and vote before the International.

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