View Poll Results: Should Bob Thompson and Leo Garvey be suspended for expressing their opinions
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Old 08-26-2008, 07:29 AM   #1
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IBT v Bob Thompson & Leo Garvey

I call for the reinstatement of Bob Thompson and the discontinuance of any action against Leo Garvey.

All they allegedly did was express their opinions, nothing they stated was an untruth, libelous or slander.

Various governing, controlling, or otherwise powerful bodies ( in this instance the IBT/WBCCI ) in many places around the world, have attempted to change the opinion of the public or others by taking action that allegedly disadvantages one side of the argument.


This attempt to assert some form of control through control of discourse has a long history.


Many consider these attempts at controlling debate to be attacks on free speech.


Freedom of speech is crucial in any democracy, because open discussions of elected board members are essential for members to make informed decisions during elections. It is through speech that this clubs members can influence the WBCCI/IBT's choice of policies.


When Bob Thompson and Leo Garvey refrain from voicing their discontent because they fear retribution, the IBT/WBCCI governing body can no longer be responsive to them, thus it is less accountable for its actions.


Defenders of free speech often allege that this is the main reason why governments suppress free speech to avoid accountability.


A classic argument for protecting freedom of speech as a fundamental right is that it is essential for the discovery of truth.


It's very strange that these are the two individuals that ran for office off the floor at the IBT are now being booted by the same individual going on a witch hunt Jim Franklin.

Jim are you aware of their or our right of free speech and how you are doing doing more harm to promote disharmony and ill will in this club than anyone could imagine?

Can a member file a grievance against the past IP?


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Old 08-26-2008, 07:39 AM   #2
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Bob, am I reading the poll correctly? If I support Bob and Leo, I should refrain from voting.

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Brian, I saw that it's not correct, can a mod please correct the poll it should be yes or no.
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Bob- I just changed the poll. Is this what you wanted?

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Counter grievances

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Can a member file a grievance against the past IP?
Yes. For example, see here:

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We already have a thread on this topic, and the results there have been unequivocal. What's the point of having a poll?

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Should Bob Thompson and Leo Garvey be suspended for expressing their opinions ?
Is this the stated reason for the suspension? It would certainly be useful to hear the IBT's explanation of why they have taken this action.

My answer to the above question is no... but I think it's likely that the reason stated by the IBT is not as indicated above.
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I believe their reason was that the comments "promoted disharmony and ill will."
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I believe their reason was that the comments "promoted disharmony and ill will."
...and the offending comments contained in this letter?
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My first thought was to wonder why a camping club needed a disciplinary body. As I reflected, I can see cases where if a member abused other members - verbally or physically. Or disrupted the business of the organization by refusing to heed the chair's decisions during meetings. Perhaps a few other serious offenses.

After reading the letter, it certainly is not one which I would have liked to receive - if I were an officer on the receiving end. However unless the author insisted on reading it during a business meeting (and disrupting - see above) then I do not see where discipline is warranted.

One of the little pleasures of elected leadership is the ability to decide what you're going to deal with. In my humble opinion, the officers should have just balled it up and thrown it away if they chose to. Nothing in the charter demands a response to a letter of that sort. Whether his points had merit or not.

I am disappointed with our officers' action - it seems to me like an unnecessary abuse of power.

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IBT v Bob Thompson & Leo Garvey

I have the dues notification on my dining room table.
What if all who feel Bob and Leo were the singled out for their opinions withhold their dues for a month or a year and share in their suspensioin would get anyones attention?
Just a thought.
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Beginner,

My dues notice arrived as well. The only decision I've made so far is not to re-enlist as a MAL. I've been thinking of joining one of the non-traditional units such as WDCU or FCU.

I must say, however, that I really liked Carole Bell's quoted response to the suggestion that perhaps all the folks who are dissatisfied should take their show and hit the road. I am considering whether perhaps I should give our Tidewater unit an honest try...

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I have the dues notification on my dining room table.
What if all who feel Bob and Leo were the singled out for their opinions withhold their dues for a month or a year and share in their suspensioin would get anyones attention?
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It probably would get their attention, but I'm afraid that the IBT may look at it as a good thing because they would be getting rid of more trouble makers.

I, for one, will stay in the WBCCI so that I can voice my opinion as a dues-paying member.

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Just my 2 cents which aint woff much, but I was considering Joining. BUT if thats the way the organization is run I want no part of it. Brian I really really think if everyone that is dissatisfied with the Infringment upon free speech would keep their dues at home,would speak MANY MORE WORDS that you can. They will just tell you to SHUT UP AND SIT, U ARE OUT OF ORDER.
They don't want the membership to know anything. They don't want to hear any ideas .They just want to keep U all mindless robots and to follow what ever they say.
My 2 cents and I'm stickin to it.
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