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Old 07-09-2011, 09:25 AM   #99
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Me, I park with the every day people, but then I have to... being neither gold row quality nor vintage, just park me in the back in the pet section without my home unit or caravan, next to strangers, gasp. It's rather nice there too and for a completely different reason other than the fine location. There goes the neighborhood, just look at those Airstreams. tsk tsk I can't say I feel your angst guys. However the WBCCI does have a place for everyone and everyone is expected to be in their place, otherwise order is disrupted.


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Old 07-09-2011, 09:32 AM   #100
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Ed - Since when does the VAC allow non-vintage rigs to park in "Vintage Parking," especially when other vintage Airstreams have to be sent to alternative locations?
So far as I know--going back at least to Bozeman in 2008--anybody that wanted to park in the vintage section was allowed to. VAC has many associate members who tow newer trailers. And in some cases (like VAC past president Ed Emerick) VAC members own newer trailers in addition to a whole slew of vintage ones.

Everybody knows VAC has the best happy hours. . . and anybody at International who wants to attend is welcome.

The problem at Madison was that WBCCI was not allowed to use many of the grassy areas that they had been told they could use. That was the People's Republic of Madison's doing, not WBCCI.
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Old 07-09-2011, 09:47 AM   #101
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If I remember right the grassy area was also 30 amp power. The three amp crowd was put on pavement. Maybe those other units got put there because of the 30 amp? In the past we (VAC) brought some associate members into the VAC area but the rest of the club did not
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Old 07-09-2011, 10:29 AM   #102
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FWIW, we had the best spot in the park for vintage this year, grass and trees next to one of the lakes. Including a nearby pavilion for happy hour.
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Old 07-09-2011, 11:26 AM   #103
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Oh, and has anyone ever seen ANYTHING in the Classic Airstream parking area other than a Classic Airstream? I don't think so...

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How many were in the CAC section this year? Perhaps parked as a caravan. Several years ago I think there were only a handful somewhere between a dozen to at most 30 sites set aside for that purpose and not filled. I could be mistaken but I have never visited a CAC section even as a member. I know the CAC went for ice cream at Bozeman because I rode with a couple that invited me along but we went to the hotel on the wrong day. They were also in doggie section. I don't think CAC is like the VAC in numbers at all.

What are the VAC and CAC numbers?
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Old 07-09-2011, 11:31 AM   #104
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I'm still not sure I follow the logistics here. If a Vintage Airstream Club requires that you own a Vintage Airstream, then my guess is that vintage unit would have parking preferences for a whole number of reasons.

Ed -Vintage members with our without their vintage trailers with them have been allow to park in the Vintage area since Salem, they came in with the parade at the rear and parked in the rear of the group. In Bozeman the non-vintage trailers but vintage members were integrated into the VAC parking area as they came in. This decision was made by the VAC leadership to allow this type of parking.

There likely isn't air conditioning in many vintage rigs, so no/to little need for 30amp.

Ed- Not true Leo, many vintage trailers have AC, I have it in my 68 and 59 and would want to use it.(as an FYI my 54 will also have AC)

Leaving vintage rigs without 30amp and without A/C to bake on the pavement (regardless of any amperage) vs putting non-vintage rigs on the pavement just doesn't make sense.

Ed - As a 10 International VAC member I have parked on pavement, in gravel, in dirt, in grass, in a hay field and most of the time never had 30 amp and BAKED regardless of where I was parked. Also the photos of the Non-Vintage trailers taken at Madison were for the most part in a non-vintage designated area, I was on the edge of the vintage group. The guy next to me was parked in that area by the WBCCI and was told it was a non-vintage 30 amp parking area. If I am correct I bet there were not 5 of us VINTAGE CLUB MEMBERS (and most of us 10 + year members) parked in the vintage area with non vintage trialers, and remember with the blessing of the VAC leadership. Also remember I was almost the last one parked in Madison so the 30 AMP vs the 3 amp parking was the issue. Another thing, the grass was supposed to be used for 3 amp as well as 30 amp but the lower part was soaked and could not be parked on by he 3 amp VAC. This is why they were parked on the pavement, wish I had a dollar for every time that has happened to me at a rally.

Truthfully had I been VAC (which I was) and was camping on hot blacktop because a lot of MEMBER non-vintage rigs were on our typically designated grass slots, that would be the last year of my membership.

Ed - Well I'm sorry you feel that way, but I feel that maybe you need to grow a pair....... Again let me tell you how many times I have been on HOT blacktop with my vintage trailer.

You charge a premium for an intra-club, you have qualifications to be a FULL MEMBER and there better be a preference for those members and their vintage rigs in the process. Otherwise you can expect membership to plummet as a result.

Ed - So what you are saying after my almost 15 years of working in the WBCCI and and VAC I don't deserve to be treated as a Vintage Member, hell I own 3 vintage trailers. I won't bore you with the details why I choose the 88 for Madison but I needed to take it to that rally.

So what did VAC membership turn out to be by June 1st -- did it ever get much above what I think was a reported 250 membership level earlier in the year?

Oh, and has anyone ever seen ANYTHING in the Classic Airstream parking area other than a Classic Airstream? I don't think so...

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One other note, the DC Unit was not the only ones parked on pavement, WI Unit, MO, MI, PA were all there too so again the DC unit (as Frank's wants you to think) was not singled out. As always you are parked as the way you come in.

Also, if someone has a problem with me, don't come by and take a photo of my trailer while I'm asleep, knock on the door and have the balls to ask me to move. Oh BTW ask Max, Jim and Don how that went in VT.....
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Old 07-09-2011, 11:41 AM   #105
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Any member of WBCCI may join the VAC whether or not they own a vintage trailer. That's how it is. That's the rule. All with an interest in Vintage Airstreams are welcome.

Some joined the VAC when they had a vintage unit and have maintained their interest and membership in the VAC after they traded to a new or newer Airstream.
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Old 07-09-2011, 11:59 AM   #106
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Also, if someone has a problem with me, don't come by and take a photo of my trailer while I'm asleep, knock on the door and have the balls to ask me to move. .....
I thought photos were allowed at International. I guess maybe you should have had a "Please no photos sign" out. Maybe a "photos for a quarter" sign. I had at the time no idea which trailer was yours. Now I know it was the 88. just two more years and it too will be vintage. You own an impressive assortments of truly vintage units. I would have loved to photograph one of those.
BTW, The date stamp on the photo was 8:04am. Morning light is an excellent time to take photos. It is a shame it was so gloomy that morning.
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Old 07-09-2011, 12:26 PM   #107
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In February or March before Madison, VAC was asked how many trailers were anticipated and how many would need 30 amp? They guessed we would have about 100 and 40% would want the 30 amp. Three days before the parade into Madison they were asked again. At on the caravan into Madison and the staging area we conducted a survey again. Only 20 wanted 30 amp. The area was already set up for 40 30 amp sites with the generator at the end. To completely use up the capacity of the generator, 20 sites were given over to general parking. They parked regular members in there the day before we got there. That left us 80 VAC sites but we had 110 members. 100 were at the staging area and came in as a convoy. I knew we would run out of sites and so I lined up early for the convoy. When we got to Madison, the first in the convoy were the first to park. I got parked on grass. When we ran out of sites on the VAC grass area the last in line ended up parking on the blacktop across from the VAC area. All the VAC events and happy hours were held in the grassy area. VAC leadership just guess wrong when they estimated the number of VAC members that would want 30 amp. It was not WBCCI leadership or parkers fault.
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Old 07-09-2011, 12:44 PM   #108
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Not to be argumentative, but why did you have to guess, when members paid for 30A and stated that they wanted Vintage parking on their registration form? Isn't this information available from Jackson Center?

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In February or March before Madison, VAC was asked how many trailers were anticipated and how many would need 30 amp? They guessed we would have about 100 and 40% would want the 30 amp. Three days before the parade into Madison they were asked again. At on the caravan into Madison and the staging area we conducted a survey again. Only 20 wanted 30 amp. The area was already set up for 40 30 amp sites with the generator at the end. To completely use up the capacity of the generator, 20 sites were given over to general parking. They parked regular members in there the day before we got there. That left us 80 VAC sites but we had 110 members. 100 were at the staging area and came in as a convoy. I knew we would run out of sites and so I lined up early for the convoy. When we got to Madison, the first in the convoy were the first to park. I got parked on grass. When we ran out of sites on the VAC grass area the last in line ended up parking on the blacktop across from the VAC area. All the VAC events and happy hours were held in the grassy area. VAC leadership just guess wrong when they estimated the number of VAC members that would want 30 amp. It was not WBCCI leadership or parkers fault.
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Old 07-09-2011, 01:12 PM   #109
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If I recall Tim K said there were about 500+ members in the VAC after deleting the ones that didn't renew.

There were 21 new members that signed up at the rally half were associates.

There were about 4-5 rigs that parked with us which were not vintage, but some of those members owned a vintage as well.

The daily happy hour was open to all members vintage or not, that is perhaps a way to for them to meet & greet, then join.

If I recall there is a PIP which is a VAC member.



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They parked regular members in there the day before we got there. That left us 80 VAC sites but we had 110 members. 100 were at the staging area and came in as a convoy. I knew we would run out of sites and so I lined up early for the convoy. When we got to Madison, the first in the convoy were the first to park. I got parked on grass. When we ran out of sites on the VAC grass area the last in line ended up parking on the blacktop across from the VAC area.
This was an excellent strategy.

Of the 14 that caravanned in our group only 2 are still members. One is committed to serving her term as an officer and the other is required to be a member to belong to Pennwoods. BTW, three of those non vintage rigs were not even slept in once. They were all in the 3 amp section of the gassy knoll.

Now how about this thread shift back to "live streaming at DuQuoin"
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Old 07-09-2011, 01:20 PM   #111
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VAC leadership just guess wrong when they estimated the number of VAC members that would want 30 amp. It was not WBCCI leadership or parkers fault.
I don't think I completely agree with that.

There is a box on the registration form for "Vintage Parking" Since the registration forms are at Jackson Center they would have the Info on both how many wanted Vintage, and how many of those wanted 30 amp..
Possibly the VAC officers could or should have gotten that info from JC, but so could those planning the parking.
A rough count of the number of vintage trailers in the parade would not be available until the day prior to the parade except by the SWAG method.

Since the IP contracted (and paid) for 1200 spaces it would seem to me that it should not have been necessary to use the spaces in the vintage area prior to the arrival of the Vintage parade
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Old 07-09-2011, 01:25 PM   #112
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Or at least back to the hunt for Ms Red October, Old Ms Crotchety the trail is getting warmer... Run lady, run noooww.

BTW Aren't some who are parked not preregistered and just drive-ins? I have attended without preregistering each time.

The heads will roll theme this thread has taken is getting kind of old...

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