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Old 07-13-2011, 02:01 PM   #127
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The recordings of the 2011 International Rally meetings are now posted on the WBCCI site.

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Old 07-13-2011, 06:47 PM   #128
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Thanks for the heads up Bill. That was quick!
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What is the URL for the site?
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Old 07-13-2011, 07:43 PM   #130
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Old 07-13-2011, 08:13 PM   #131
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Just started to listen to the June 25th AM secession

I suggest you listen at 23 mins. into the secession to Don Schaffer comments and at 31 mins. to Jim Franklin.

Mr Franklin is now referring to those of the membership seeking change as Hostel and or an unhappy elements.

Keep listing for the comment that follow that set these individuals straight.
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Old 07-13-2011, 10:23 PM   #132
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Mr Franklin is now referring to those of the membership seeking change as Hostel and or an unhappy elements.
I represent that!

So far, I have hung in to the club mainly to support good friends in the unit, however, this repeat of the moho thing may very well be the last straw for me. If it passes, I am gone.
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Old 07-14-2011, 01:43 AM   #133
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I listened to Jim Franklin's comments and was astounded. Fortunately I did not hear other comments in agreement with his statements. In fact I heard many speak to the contrary and take strong exception. He speaks of observing the constitutional attack of the last year or so and the existence of a hostile element that reared its head for about 5 years making attempts to seize control of the club. (Isn't that the same time when a big emphasis and appeal for volunteers to step up and help run the club because of dwindling numbers of volunteers was made?) Besides the revision committee he also associates the Denco motion with being a hostile element and as being an avenue to get the unhappy elements into into the position they are seeking to run the club. You will recall it is Forrest's amendment designed as a checks and balance to the IBT to give delegates more power in decision making. But Mr. Franklin gives an admonition to the IBT in regard to that to run and protect the club and its welfare telling them, "You have the responsibility to stand up and put down these hostile elements that may be violating our freedom of speech." All I can say is Denco, it's a wise choice to run this motion through all the units for majority acceptance, circumventing IBT approval or redirection. There appears to be a some cohesion in Mr. Franklin's denegrating assessment of those who hold dissenting opinions from his. Not only are we not quality but now we are referred to as "unhappy elements."

Don Shafer would like a vote or mandate from membership as to whether a new constitution is needed. If delegates say it is not needed then all efforts would be an exercise in futility. He ended expressing his commitment to devote every effort and strength to accomplish the work to make it happen if that is what the membership wants. "I serve at the will of the IBT and I serve at the will of the membership of the club."
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Old 07-14-2011, 07:45 AM   #134
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It was quite refreshing to see the Club Treasure and a Tom Smithson, member of the Revision Committee, counter to Don and Jim's gross misrepresentation of the history and intent of the of the Revision Committee. The applause from the audience was also refreshing.

Yes the Revised By Laws have been submitted and should be released ASAP so reasonable consideration to the complete Constitution and By Laws can be completed.
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Old 07-14-2011, 09:52 AM   #135
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I think we need to vote as Don Shafer suggested to see if membership wants the constitution to change. I will worry about it when and if my unit asks for my opinion next time. I am tired of following the antics, posturing, contention and energies devoted to something repeatedly guaranteed that never came to fruition. I'm not buying it again. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. I also happen to agree with the recommendation Don Shafer made. It would be better to review the whys and wherefores of his rejection rather than work from a point concentrating only on the fact he did not recommend it. There was much to be garnered from his recommendation that could have been strengthened rather than to vilify him for the expression of his opinion. There was a very detailed review with much information that could have served the special committee well to work from had they regarded Don Shafer's report. There were always inherent weaknesses to what we were shown and told to us by members and supporters of the special revision committee. I mentioned long before there would be a conflict between the standing and special committee only to be told emphatically I was incorrect. I suppose it depends on who is grading the papers to decide what marks everyone has earned. It certainly has been a telling experience.
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It was quite refreshing to see the Club Treasure and a Tom Smithson, member of the Revision Committee, counter to Don and Jim's gross misrepresentation of the history and intent of the of the Revision Committee. The applause from the audience was also refreshing.
The origin and formation of the special committee preceeded the anouncement that was made at the Mid-Winter IBT meeting. It is Don Shafer's contention that membership be made aware of where this came from and he may well be referring to some of the same information Bob Novak's posts gave here on the forums as to who, when, where, and why the committee was started. Bob Moss' comments, that we know where it came from it came from, from the IP announcement at the Mid-Winter meeting, only places the time of the official announcement of the committee to the membership. It will be interesting to continue to follow the events and comments with regard to the committee.
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For those that may still question or subscribe to some of the misinformation frequently posted here in opposition to the origination and mandate of the Revision Committee you might want to listen to the Revision Committee's Official report to the Ex Committee. That can be found during the June 27th early AM meeting at 10 minutes into the secession and completing at 19 minutes.

http://www.wbcci.org/index.cfm?pageS...Live_Broadcast

I have not had the time to listen much further than the area I posted on above. Has anyone picked up on other interesting comments?

If so please post the date and time within the transmission.
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Old 07-15-2011, 09:18 PM   #138
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I haven't poked my head in this thread for a while but in catching up I notice a few things that need to be addressed I think with respect to the VAC and parking THIS year only.
The first is that there were indeed non-airstream rigs parked in the area. They were Vendors. No big deal there.
Next, there were indeed vintage and non-vintage rigs intermingling to some extent. I was one who was not (yet) vintage and I was parked with vintage all around me. Now, in this case, I believe this likely would NOT have happened were it not for the Bull Pen snaffu where we were not allowed to park the night before and parade in as planned. That was out of our control.
The vintage area received a lot of guests at the last minute because the grounds were unacceptable for parking in many other areas - no problem, we all made some new friends.
Lastly, To be a member of the VAC, you must be a member in good standing in the WBCCI and must have an Airstream Product that is 25 years or older. An Associate membership is a WBCCI member in good standing who does not have a Vintage Airstream product. And lastly a subscriber is for everybody else who is NOT a member in good standing in the WBCCI.
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