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Old 07-20-2006, 10:35 PM   #71
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formal effort of WBCCI to open an avenue for members to make comments/suggestions

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I believe the August Blue Beret will announce a formal effort on the part of WBCCI to provide an avenue for members to convey their perceptions, ideas, suggestions, and comments to the leadership.
Good, that is way over due.

Actually, if the leadership is interested, they could tune into these Forums discussions. Persumeably some of the leaders are Forum members.
Has anyone ever heard any of the leaders make comments in the Forums??
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Old 07-20-2006, 11:03 PM   #72
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Persumeably some of the leaders are Forum members.
Has anyone ever heard any of the leaders make comments in the Forums??
Leaders at what level?

There are many Unit officers that are forum members, several Regional and IntraClub officers and a few International officers and/or appointees. Keep in mind, the higher up the ranks you go, there are proportionately fewer "officers" to draw from. I KNOW there are several that at least lurk, if not post regularly.

We have their attention...so does the WBCCI forum. Postings in either place will be read.

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Old 07-21-2006, 01:53 AM   #73
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I don't believe that the club can change. It is a clash between two generations - the WWII / Korean War generation and the "Baby Boomers". The existing membership would like the next generation to take over and continue it the way it has been. Won't happen. There may be two airstream clubs in ten years from now - one dying, one growing. Being employed full time makes my free time precious. I don't have time for formality; I just want to have fun camping. Since the club belongs to the older generation, let them have their club the way they want it. I can't blame them for wanting that. But how many boomers do you think are going to wear blue berrets? How many boomers wear suits today in the workplace? It's
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time for the boomers to start their own club.
There will always be gaps between generations so I’m not sure the solution is to throw out the proverbial baby with the bath water every time there is a rift. Currently there is a gap between the WWII and baby boomer generations. I’ve seen a growing rift between the baby boomers and generation xers. In another thirty years, there will be a gap between the gen xers and the generation after them.

The generational differences are just cultural differences and not character flaws so, when viewed that way, there is hope for an organized change effort vs. giving up and throwing everything away. Understanding the cultural differences helps to understand the people which will provide insights on how to solve the issues at hand so we can continue to develop and grow our club together.
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Old 07-21-2006, 07:46 AM   #74
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Leaders at what level?

There are many Unit officers that are forum members, several Regional and IntraClub officers and a few International officers and/or appointees. Keep in mind, the higher up the ranks you go, there are proportionately fewer "officers" to draw from. I KNOW there are several that at least lurk, if not post regularly.

We have their attention...so does the WBCCI forum. Postings in either place will be read.

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I guess I would be considered a WBCCI leader (at the lowest possible level of the organization structure) as I'm the Corresponding Secretary and Membership Chairperson for the New England Unit. My husband is the Assistant Treasurer for the NEU too.

We are active members in the NEU, I think it would be fair to say we are very active so we have had many opportunities to interact with the difference generations of NEU/Airstream owners at our rallies and "express caravans". In the NEU the diversity of our Unit is what makes it work, what makes it interesting. The "elders" have learned (or are learning) to relax and look the other way in regards to the younger members not following the rules or protocol of the club and our younger members have learned (or are learning) to respect the efforts our older members put in the club and respect the history of the club. But mostly what makes the NEU work is everyone is welcomed and included - no matter what generation you are in.

I'd like to highlight some examples of success within the NEU but I've got to get "The Tube" packed up as we are heading out to a rally right after work. Oh, btw there is going to be a healthy mix of elders, baby boomers and generation X'ers in attendance - I'm really looking forward to it.
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Old 07-21-2006, 08:29 AM   #75
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Is this thing on......ta...ttaaa...ttaa...tAAA....test 1.....test 2........

Ok the mic seems to be working now thanks for listening.

I've been following this thread as a newbie to Airstreaming and it reminds me of the same politics of many organizations I've been associated with over the years from Boy Scouts to College Fraternity to corporate politics....

When I first got serious about buying an Airstream about a year ago I thought the idea of WBCCI sounded like a lot of fun... I have a young family and we love camping and traveling so the mind share of the WBCCI seemed to fit, at least on the surface...I don't care if a large percentage of the members are older than I...besides I'm and old soul and typically relate better to people that are older than I am........ BUT, now that I've read more over the last several months, my perspective has changed. To an outsider it appears that the WBCCI is surrounded with a lot of negative energy, much like the deep divide of US politics. So what happened? Did the organization get too big for its own britches? Should I toss out the invitation to join and continue to blaze my own trail? Is the WBCCI FUBAR?
Is there anyone in this AS forum community that is a member of the Arizona unit?
ok...ok....ok...i think somebody turned off my mic I'll shut-up now...thanks for listening
Hi,

I want to make it VERY CLEAR that I also find I relate to the older peope better in fact I'm a Geriatric Nurse Practitioner. I have devoted my life the the health care of older people.

When I came to the club 3 years ago it had a lot of older people 70+++ and in my opinion the club began it's decline when they left it! These people had gracious manners, they were kind, generous, relaxed about the club and seemed to understand what was important.

It was when they left I stopped enjoying the club. There are still a few who can still come but believe it or not they are the more supportive ones in my Unit. I also have found myself spending more time at International with the 80++ members and enjoying them more than some of the 65+++. We have as a generation lost our manners. The older of the old have been ignored in my club just like the young. I'm afraid we just have a few control freaks that can't let go.
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Old 07-21-2006, 10:24 AM   #76
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We have as a generation lost our manners. The older of the old have been ignored in my club just like the young. I'm afraid we just have a few control freaks that can't let go.
I am afraid that you have described the situation to a tee. I guess it is the tone of American politics that perhaps is flavoring the way we treat one another. I wish we could hold a forum on manners. Everyone's ideas are important and should be heard without their having to suffer personal attacks.
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Old 07-21-2006, 10:46 AM   #77
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I have been saying all along that if you have too many rules you have self appointed people without communication skills that will take it upon themselves to enforce them. The older generation come from a whole different lifetime. You bought things from local stores, most often your neighbor. If you were dissatisfied with the product and brought it back If it WAS you neighbor and maybe even a friend, you were much more careful about how you resolved your issue. In todays world we are disengaged. We often don't even know to whom we are speaking (sometimes it's not human it's a recording) and we don't know them and feel we can "tell them off" or whatever. As a result we have over time become much more aggressive as a society and lost basic manners. I believe a disengagment theory is out there somewhere on this subject.

The older generation are a dying breed with lovely manners and kind hearts. I don't know how they can keep going in such an unkind environment. It makes me nuts when I hear people complain about International. Those older folks are doing all the work and get nothing but complaints.

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Old 07-21-2006, 10:52 AM   #78
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That would be Shari. She's a Moderator.
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Old 07-21-2006, 12:11 PM   #79
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You hit the nail on the head

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...The older generation come from a whole different lifetime. You bought things from local stores, most often your neighbor. If you were dissatisfied with the product and brought it back If it WAS you neighbor and maybe even a friend, you were much more careful about how you resolved your issue. In todays world we are disengaged. We often don't even know to whom we are speaking (sometimes it's not human it's a recording) and we don't know them and feel we can "tell them off" or whatever. As a result we have over time become much more aggressive as a society and lost basic manners. ...The older generation are a dying breed with lovely manners and kind hearts...
I'd like to take this a step further. We have all seen from forum discussions that the generations that came after the WWII generation have less patience and tolerance for what they may see as meaningless tasks and rules set-up by the WWII folks (i.e., case in point -- the Blue Book). Rulebooks and task lists were/are important for the WWII generation but not so important for other generations. With technology and a faster moving society these days, the younger generation wants to just "get up and go" instead of laboring thru a rule book. There are pros and cons of both viewpoints and I'm sure there is a happy medium. Being the eternal optimist that I am, I think if the collective "we" (i.e., WWII and other generations) continue to work together (i.e., collaborate) on the club in a civilized manner, we will find that happy medium.

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I'm not from the WWII generation and it breaks my heart every time I encounter nasty and complaining people.
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Old 07-21-2006, 01:31 PM   #80
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Right on Yukionna!

BTW We just had a downpour so I'm back inside from polishing the Caravel.

Anyway whatever it is I still believe I can create a Unit with limited rules. Because I don't believe the Regional oversight is very helpful or needed at this point I still think it will start as a MAL Unit.

The other thing my husband and I were talking about was how restrictive our camping has become. Because we were active members of this Unit we were told our Rallies should stay in a geographic area so other members could attend. Well again I joined the Club to travel. I was very impressed by the NEU Caravan to PA Amish Country.

I think a Unit that plans events other than the typical geographic rally might be more exciting for members.
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Old 07-23-2006, 10:41 AM   #81
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The other thing my husband and I were talking about was how restrictive our camping has become. Because we were active members of this Unit we were told our Rallies should stay in a geographic area so other members could attend. Well again I joined the Club to travel. I was very impressed by the NEU Caravan to PA Amish Country.
Hi Robin,

You will be more than welcome to have your first caravan to Nova Scotia .August or September are ideal times .
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Old 07-23-2006, 02:33 PM   #82
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You will be more than welcome to have your first caravan to Nova Scotia .August or September are ideal times .
Not trying to hijack the thread , but where a bouts are you located ? We are planning to be up in Cape Breton the first two weeks in August.
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Not trying to hijack the thread , but where a bouts are you located ? We are planning to be up in Cape Breton the first two weeks in August.

I am located in Bridgewater on the South Shore of Nova Scotia,one hour south of Halifax.

Have a great trip to Cape Breton.
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Old 07-23-2006, 06:22 PM   #84
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We have all seen from forum discussions that the generations that came after the WWII generation have less patience and tolerance for what they may see as meaningless tasks and rules set-up by the WWII folks
What is even more interesting is all the rules being invented that don't exist! It seems some folks invent rules to harass others or invent rules in order to complain about something.

There is a generational shift in progress. It has been ongoing for quite a while. It will make a difference, and has made a difference, over time.

What is perhaps more important are cultural changes. This hits people a lot closer to the heart and may be why some folks impose rules that don't exist except in their own hearts and why some folks get super bothered about the name change issue.

It is all about people and that can be a challenge that provides great benefits if you work with them rather than taking your marbles and going to play somewhere else.
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