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Old 07-19-2006, 10:23 AM   #57
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I might be a real mess but they should at least talk to me in person or via phone to verify it first!

You know the $19.00 is not an issue.

Last year while driving. 40 mi. from Hawthorne Nevada I saw four WBCCIers caravaning in the opposite direction. I though how cool was that. People banding together to go places and do things. So the Mrs. and I saved our money and juggled our finances to get an Airstream and join WBCCI. We joined WBCCI before we even picked up our trailer. I remain positive that we will hook up with a unit that will either be active and fun or that we can instigate the unit to go places and be fun. WBCCI offers a fantastic opportunity but thats all. It's up to the individuals in the club to make it what they want it to be.

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Old 07-19-2006, 11:10 AM   #58
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I have a perfect reason to be a MAL. I have contacted a Unit and the region 12 Pres. to join a unit and have recived NO REPLY from either. I had hoped to join a unit in L.A. County but it seems they are not taking on new members. Now to be fair Wkerfoot invited me into his unit weeks ago but he is in Orange County which is several hours away.
Our September rally is in Yucaipa, October in Newport Beach, November in Mailbu. Our rallies travel around Southern California, Arizona and southern Nevada. We have had rallies in Santa Barbara, Buellton, Death Valley, Ramona, San Diego, San Clemente. Just because I am in Orange County doesn't mean the rallies are there. Immediate past president in San Diego, current president in Indio and next year in Oceanside.

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Old 07-19-2006, 12:23 PM   #59
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...I have a perfect reason to be a MAL. I have contacted a Unit and the region 12 Pres. to join a unit and have recived NO REPLY from either. I had hoped to join a unit in L.A. County but it seems they are not taking on new members.
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Please be aware that many Unit and Regional officers arrive early at International in mid June and frequently head off on a Caravan that departs directly from International in early July for a few weeks trip, so they may be on the road and out of touch for a month or more at a time. And because many of them are older and are retired, they are not as compulsive as us younger working folks are about staying connected via phone messages or the Internet. Heck, I never retrive any of my home phone messages when I'm away for a week or more -- when I'm gone, I'm GONE. Many of them are where I'd like to be, out on the road, perhaps temporarily out of touch, away from cares left behind -- just like the Airstream ads promise. So, it may just be that your timing in contacting them was not in sync with their Rallying and Caravanning schedules. Give them a little more time to return your call, as their clock speed is likely relaxingly slower than yours.
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Old 07-19-2006, 12:30 PM   #60
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Last year while driving. 40 mi. from Hawthorne Nevada
If you got that far, you are almost there - Sierra Nevada Unit territory. You'd be welcome to any of our rallies anytime you are on this side of the hill. We know about communications or lack there of. As a Unit, I guess we just said "fantastic" and went about doing what we needed to do for the health of the SNU and the enjoyment of our members. We've worked hard on utilizing a variety of communication methods because we want to make sure all our members know what is going on in the Unit, can have input into decisions and voice opinions. Flexibility is a cornerstone in all we do from communications to rallies. We do this because our members are scattered all over. Many still work, have families, have other obligations, and even travel extensively. These things make their physical participation sometimes infrequent. We are delighted to see them when they can come and miss them when they can't. But no matter what, each and every one is a valuable asset to the SNU as a whole.

I agree with 65GT on MAL's. There are Units out there, in CA and elswhere. Sooner or later you will find the one that fits for you.
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Old 07-19-2006, 01:23 PM   #61
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Try Long Beach. They are still quite active. If they have the legendary type of WBCCI member, I have yet to meet them.

We have been associate members or 5-6 years.

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Old 07-19-2006, 02:21 PM   #62
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Thank you for the many fine suggestions. Please remember I'm not upset but I am amused by the process so far. I will find a Unit. I am making it harder on myself by seeking a nearby unit now but if that does not work out I'll be calling wkerfoot. I have been impressed by his groups activities.
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Old 07-19-2006, 02:55 PM   #63
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Please be aware that many Unit and Regional officers arrive early at International in mid June and frequently head off on a Caravan that departs directly from International in early July for a few weeks trip, so they may be on the road and out of touch for a month or more at a time. And because many of them are older and are retired, they are not as compulsive as us younger working folks are about staying connected via phone messages or the Internet. Heck, I never retrive any of my home phone messages when I'm away for a week or more -- when I'm gone, I'm GONE. Many of them are where I'd like to be, out on the road, perhaps temporarily out of touch, away from cares left behind -- just like the Airstream ads promise. So, it may just be that your timing in contacting them was not in sync with their Rallying and Caravanning schedules. Give them a little more time to return your call, as their clock speed is likely relaxingly slower than yours.

This situation simply shows the need for a back up system being in place.If some of the unit officers are on the road for an extended time ,my feeling is that there should still be someone else available to at least answer requests and questions.Whether it be another contact available or some use of email forwarded to other unit members,this is another example of a situation that seems small but can result in the loss of potential new members.
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Old 07-19-2006, 05:02 PM   #64
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Good morning David! Your caps are killing me (caps = shouting). Have a nice day fishing...

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I AM SCREAMING BUT NO ONE IS LISTENING. There, is that better? I caught a three pound bass last night and returned to the water healthy. It's poor lips looked like lace because it had been caught so many times.

Robin, I think you have made a great choice. this thread is proof of it. A person with your energy, skills, and willingness to work for the good of a community should probally look for a community that has need - like do a campfire at an assisted living home with the local 5th grade class cooking and serving - that sort of thing. I'm signing off from this thread, should not have been here in the first place. Gotta go talk about lug nuts, new recipes, mpg, and of course "fishing" oops I mean "FISHING"
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Old 07-19-2006, 06:59 PM   #65
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Is this thing on......ta...ttaaa...ttaa...tAAA....test 1.....test 2........

Ok the mic seems to be working now thanks for listening.

I've been following this thread as a newbie to Airstreaming and it reminds me of the same politics of many organizations I've been associated with over the years from Boy Scouts to College Fraternity to corporate politics....

When I first got serious about buying an Airstream about a year ago I thought the idea of WBCCI sounded like a lot of fun... I have a young family and we love camping and traveling so the mind share of the WBCCI seemed to fit, at least on the surface...I don't care if a large percentage of the members are older than I...besides I'm and old soul and typically relate better to people that are older than I am........ BUT, now that I've read more over the last several months, my perspective has changed. To an outsider it appears that the WBCCI is surrounded with a lot of negative energy, much like the deep divide of US politics. So what happened? Did the organization get too big for its own britches? Should I toss out the invitation to join and continue to blaze my own trail? Is the WBCCI FUBAR?
Is there anyone in this AS forum community that is a member of the Arizona unit?
ok...ok....ok...i think somebody turned off my mic I'll shut-up now...thanks for listening
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Old 07-19-2006, 09:04 PM   #66
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Is this thing on......ta...ttaaa...ttaa...tAAA....test 1.....test 2........

Ok the mic seems to be working now thanks for listening.

I've been following this thread as a newbie to Airstreaming and it reminds me of the same politics of many organizations I've been associated with over the years from Boy Scouts to College Fraternity to corporate politics....

When I first got serious about buying an Airstream about a year ago I thought the idea of WBCCI sounded like a lot of fun... I have a young family and we love camping and traveling so the mind share of the WBCCI seemed to fit, at least on the surface...I don't care if a large percentage of the members are older than I...besides I'm and old soul and typically relate better to people that are older than I am........ BUT, now that I've read more over the last several months, my perspective has changed. To an outsider it appears that the WBCCI is surrounded with a lot of negative energy, much like the deep divide of US politics. So what happened? Did the organization get too big for its own britches? Should I toss out the invitation to join and continue to blaze my own trail? Is the WBCCI FUBAR?
Is there anyone in this AS forum community that is a member of the Arizona unit?
ok...ok....ok...i think somebody turned off my mic I'll shut-up now...thanks for listening
I have been on the fence about WBCCI for a long time. I have had the same feeling you have had but as Judge Judy says it is all hearsay. I donít mean I donít believe that people have had problems it means I have to go find out for myself and make my own judgments. What bothers one person or how a person perceives a conversation or a comment is different for each of us. I am about as sensitive as a rock so not much will bother me. I am no youngster but I to like older people, I am still learning from them. I have a good friend who is 90 and his big worry in life is his 63 year old son. We are going to a Rally this weekend, I have let them know I will have my 12 year old and my dog with me, I also offered to share in the tasks and pay all my fees, no comments came back. My wife wants to check out the club, as she said if we donít like it, we will know and have it behind us. I was tempted to say I will give a report back but I have decided that wouldnít be fair to the Unit who is letting me attend their Rally, as the report would just be hearsay.

I suggest you get off the fence and go find out for yourself as everyone elseís experience is theirs.

Stop tapping on the mic.

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Old 07-20-2006, 04:32 AM   #67
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...I was tempted to say I will give a report back but I have decided that wouldnít be fair to the Unit who is letting me attend their Rally, as the report would just be hearsay...
Actually, that isn't technically what "hearsay" is. Just to clarify -- hearsay is second-hand evidence, generally consisting of a rendering of what you heard someone else say about a situation. It is actually a fancy term for "gossip" or "rumor". If you are reporting on what you saw, and not mixing truths and untruths, then you are reporting first hand information which is not hearsay, gossip or rumor!

We would love to hear about your experience if you care to share your first hand experience with us.
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Actually, that isn't technically what "hearsay" is. Just to clarify -- hearsay is second-hand evidence, generally consisting of a rendering of what you heard someone else say about a situation. It is actually a fancy term for "gossip" or "rumor". If you are reporting on what you saw, and not mixing truths and untruths, then you are reporting first hand information which is not hearsay, gossip or rumor!

We would love to hear about your experience if you care to share your first hand experience with us.

yokionnayour thanks for the clarification. I think if you pass on my report then it would become hearsay unless it is documented. No one would know if what I report it true or not. No one knows how my view on life may influence my report. If the report is documented via my email or written format it can then be attributed to the source, the validity of the information still could be suspect. We all should take all information in consideration and go make our own judgments. I have given my reason for not feeling a report is necessary. Who knows, after this weekend I may have so much fun I wonít be able to contain myself or something so horrendous could happen I would have to send out a Breaking News Alert.


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Old 07-20-2006, 10:15 AM   #69
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I believe the August Blue Beret will announce a formal effort on the part of WBCCI to provide an avenue for members to convey their perceptions, ideas, suggestions, and comments to the leadership.

The problems discussed in this thread, though, should really be dealt with on a more local level. As noted, these are rather typical of organizations in general. What WBCCI can do to help its local Units avoid or resolve these issues could be good feedback, especially in light of the verbiage directed at the top levels.
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Time for Change

I don't believe that the club can change. It is a clash between two generations - the WWII / Korean War generation and the "Baby Boomers". The existing membership would like the next generation to take over and continue it the way it has been. Won't happen. There may be two airstream clubs in ten years from now - one dying, one growing. Being employed full time makes my free time precious. I don't have time for formality; I just want to have fun camping. Since the club belongs to the older generation, let them have their club the way they want it. I can't blame them for wanting that. But how many boomers do you think are going to wear blue berrets? How many boomers wear suits today in the workplace?

It's time for the boomers to start their own club.

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