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Old 07-18-2006, 05:48 PM   #43
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ditto gail... well said...
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Have a great time this weekend and make the most of it! Don't get discouraged with what some other members have experienced. Our New England Unit is so much fun! The new friends I have met in my unit are a delight to be with! With so many regions & units, there with be some units more political and clicky and overburdened with rules. That being said, this being a volunteer social organization (WBCCI), any changes that somebody believes is detrimental, should be brought upon from within.

So.............. you & your family have a lot of fun this weekend at your first rally!

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Old 07-18-2006, 07:34 PM   #44
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  • The flag protocol what is that about, is the proper way to fly the US Flag, which we should all do out of respect or is it about all the additional flags which seem to be used ?
  • What fine’s are given and for what? I think you might have a hard time collecting from me and I would fine you back.
A lot of folks like to fly flags from their rigs to show support for their country and their state and perhaps to indicate their office or other affiliation. There are international protocols for displaying the flags of states and countries and so on. WBCCI supports these protocols and likes its members to display flags with due respect for the entities whose flags are being shown. You can find a reference in the WBCCI Blue Book (governance handbook) or at
http://www.legion.org/our_flag/of_main.htm
http://suvcw.org/flag.htm
http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html

Fines in any WBCCI Unit should only be a voluntary means to help support the kitty - i.e. a donation to the cause. I think this sort of thing is fading out of WBCCI Units. I think you have the right idea as I don't think this sort of thing should apply to anyone who is not familiar with how the group functions and on a friendly basis with the folks in the Unit. (most of the time when I see fines for silly infractions in the rules or proceedures it spells this out)

As for people - I suggest that you take the initiative to meet and greet and make new friends. I would hope the folks in the Unit would be taking the initiative to meet and greet and get to know you but sometimes they get tied up in their own circles so you have to provde a reminder.

Occasionally you'll run across someone whose has lost their sense of propriety and completely forgotten what the club is all about. One of these seems to have been the stimulus for this thread (but I don't know the whole story, either). The best advice I got in discussing this at Salem was to just reply "Fantastic!" with a big smile and then ignore them. (this was suggested as a symbol of a new movement ... ;-) ). If ignoring them doesn't do, try to have them carefully explain what their problem is with you and what it is they think you should be doing - then go find somebody more friendly to talk to. As long as you are polite and don't get in anyone's way, odds are nobody is going to forcibly remove you. But I would suggest finding someone with a calm demeanor and saying "I'm new here, is this what this club is all about?" If you gather a few allies, the bullies tend to fade away. And, from what I have seen, you should have a lot of allies!

(of course, you could try my approach and talk them to exasperation ...)

Anyway, it is too bad that the ugly behavior members (UBM's) have such an impact on the discussions. There aren't too many of them and there are plenty of ways to get around them. I just take it as an education problem in that we need to help these UBM's learn what the club is about and reflect that in how they welcome others. There has been a time or two when a group has had to face them down - and then they come on these forums talking about their nasty experiences! We need to find ways to get everyone on the program of having a good time with their Airstream while respecting others and being open to new people and new ideas and new ways of doing things. Its a big job and your help is needed.
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Old 07-18-2006, 08:04 PM   #45
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Thanks for the Detailed Explanation

Thanks for taking the time to write a detailed explanation. I completely understand flag etiquette and even the fine system now. This is not a slam but the WBCCI is a lot like the Boy Scouts, which I am evolved in. Scouts have a great respect for God, Country and others. Some Scout Masters can take it to the extreme and others go with the flow you have to find your fit. I found nothing objectionable in your explanation and the WBCCI has the same personalities you would find in any organization. I will find a unit I fit in with and give it go.

Thanks Jim
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Old 07-18-2006, 08:22 PM   #46
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I think I have just had a close encounter with a UBM. I was entertaining the idea of joining another unit or becoming a MAL when I was told that my unit would have been warmer towards me had I not bad mouthed them, and if I had bothered to attend a local rally in my three years membership. And why couldn't I afford 20 dollar luncheons and rally fees when I could trade for another AS? I was told there would be quite a few 20 dollar luncheons in the hits I took.

(I did attend a local rally, I guess I was not noticed.) Was thinking of going to the next one too, it's good someone let the cat out of the bag before I actually walked into it.

Now if I had neighbors like I did at the International, you would not be able to keep me away! Just goes to show you, there are all kinds.
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Thanks for taking the time to write a detailed explanation. I completely understand flag etiquette and even the fine system now. This is not a slam but the WBCCI is a lot like the Boy Scouts, which I am evolved in. Scouts have a great respect for God, Country and others. Some Scout Masters can take it to the extreme and others go with the flow you have to find your fit. I found nothing objectionable in your explanation and the WBCCI has the same personalities you would find in any organization. I will find a unit I fit in with and give it go.

Thanks Jim
Jim,

You have it exactly, good luck in your search.

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I think I have just had a close encounter with a UBM. I was entertaining the idea of joining another unit or becoming a MAL when I was told that my unit would have been warmer towards me had I not bad mouthed them, and if I had bothered to attend a local rally in my three years membership. And why couldn't I afford 20 dollar luncheons and rally fees when I could trade for another AS? I was told there would be quite a few 20 dollar luncheons in the hits I took.

(I did attend a local rally, I guess I was not noticed.) Was thinking of going to the next one too, it's good someone let the cat out of the bag before I actually walked into it.

Now if I had neighbors like I did at the International, you would not be able to keep me away! Just goes to show you, there are all kinds.
Carol,

If you had a great time at International .......wait until you come to "Allumination Celebration" in August and we'll show you a BLAST! We are going to have an Ambassador assigned per 10 rigs, to make sure we are in touch we EVERYONE attending, and most IMPORTANTLY.......... nobody feels left out. Our goal in our unit is to make EVERYONE feel special and comfortable attending our rallies.

Look forward to meeting you soon!

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Old 07-18-2006, 11:17 PM   #49
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Cool! But if I am going to be meeting ambassadors I just better get myself a new outfit.

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Old 07-18-2006, 11:34 PM   #50
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Cool! But if I am going to be meeting ambassadors I just better get myself a new outfit.
I wouldn't bother, depending on the weather the ambassadors will be wearing shorts or sweatpants - we are a pretty casual group.

PS - We will be wearing shirts too, it's a state law for women at least.
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Old 07-19-2006, 12:03 AM   #51
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PS - We will be wearing shirts too, it's a state law for women at least.
New England prudes.

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Old 07-19-2006, 02:07 AM   #52
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I have a perfect reason to be a MAL. I have contacted a Unit and the region 12 Pres. to join a unit and have recived NO REPLY from either. I had hoped to join a unit in L.A. County but it seems they are not taking on new members. Now to be fair Wkerfoot invited me into his unit weeks ago but he is in Orange County which is several hours away.
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Old 07-19-2006, 06:40 AM   #53
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Matter of fact, been fishin twice with the Motorhome (pullin the boat bhind). Once with high winds and no luck, and once with beautiful weather and walleyes to eat!! Minnesoota is grand in the Summer. So far this year, no mosquitoes either.
I HAD A PLACE ON LAKE ANDRUSIA, PART OF THE CASS LAKE CHAIN BEFORE I MOVED TO FLORIDA FOR MY HOME BASE. I STILL PULL MY LUND AROUND IN HOPES OF FINDING A FISH DOWN HERE THAT APROACHES A WALLEYE. I MADE THE TRIP TO MN 2 YEARS AGO AND THE BLACK FLYS AND SKEETERS DROVE ME AWAY - NICE TO BE ABLE TO JUST START'ER UP AND MOVE ON.

TO ALL OF YOU WHO ARE PARTICIPATING IN THIS THREAD - TAKE A MOMENT TO SMELL THE FLOWERS, SHARE A CAMP FIRE, BE NICE TO A CHILD. LIFE IS PRETTY DARN SHORT
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Old 07-19-2006, 07:14 AM   #54
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My hubby actually wore a tye-dye to a gathering and from one of the elder members he got, "you know, in my day we had to wear jackets to this"....oops...did we break a rule??
No, you didn't break a rule! The "elders" like to reminisce at times about how things were in earlier days. They are just pointing out how things have changed over time. It’s interesting to hear the differences and how, as time marches on, things do (and will continue to) change.
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No, you didn't break a rule! The "elders" like to reminisce at times about how things were in earlier days. They are just pointing out how things have changed over time. Itís interesting to hear the differences and how, as time marches on, things do (and will continue to) change.
That's what I was thinking, too. You can't tell...especially from printed text vs spoken word, how that phrase was meant. I know I've heard some of the elders say similar things, and they meant "...and wasn't that silly? boy I'm glad its changed". not "you dress like a bum", or "you're not doing it (whatever it is) right".
there are some really funny stories out there about "the way it was". "we used to dig gopher holes under the trailer, and dump the poop in there". trust me...they're not suggesting that YOU (or anyone) should be doing that now. things change.

although...now that I think of it....I did get some detailed instructions from a tribal elder on how to make a blue-boy into a "leaky bucket" gray water disposal unit, and it did seem like more of a suggestion than a history lesson.
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for an award winning gopher hole, see
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At one rally (central Texas, 60's), the telephone company came out with their big auger to make nice holes - one for each trailer. Even today, some houses out in the boonies use this 'dry well' technique for their sewer treatment method.

Them is just like us, just different.
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