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Old 07-06-2013, 12:13 PM   #71
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Doesn't look like those links are working yet, we will get them fixed ASAP.

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Old 07-06-2013, 01:15 PM   #72
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20/20 committee wiped off the face of the earth. Imagine our surprise since previous 2020 members back in 2008 told the IBT they needed to change the way they do business.
Don't read too much into this action. The question was actually:
"Should we make the current Special Committee membership and elevate them to a Standing Committee?"

With the number of Standing Committees already listed in the Bylaws, is one more needed? Did the 2008 recommendations include creating more Standing Committees?

Special Committees, like 2020, can be created by the President and given a specific charter. When their work is complete, their recommendations are accepted or rejected. Each new President can create or renew those committees WITHOUT involvement from the IBT.
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Old 07-06-2013, 07:51 PM   #73
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It would be advantageous if the committee was not political and directly under the auspices of a current president but could offer direction directly to delegates to consider or adopt irrespective of office terms and act as part of a continuing counter checks and balance system in the club.
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Old 07-07-2013, 02:38 PM   #74
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Old 07-08-2013, 07:20 AM   #75
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It is now 374 with at least one more here for just a day or two. Registration officially ended at noon today.
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All of the rally attendance numbers are in the membership directory. Past 10 years.

2003 Burlington, VT 1669
2004 Lansing, MI 1197
2005 Springfield, MO 1154
2006 Salem, OR 1049
2007 Perry, GA 1017
2008 Bozeman, MT 871
2009 Madison, WI 903
2010 Gillette, WY 709
2011 Du Quoin,IL 539
2012 Sedalia, MO 459

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During the announcements before the evening entertainment on July 2, they stated the 2013 Huron attendance was 384. There were some late arrivals about that time, but I expect that is pretty close to the final number.

That said, I believe the VAC parade into International was significantly larger than last year. I'd estimate it at about 25 rigs, but did not get an exact count, because we were in the middle of it. I think last year the VAC parade number was only in the mid-teens, but part of the reason may have been when it was scheduled last year. In any case, the VAC'ers had a great time at the rally this year.
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:09 PM   #76
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Well it looks like Power has been consolidated at the Top.

Last year they threatened the Delegates with immediate removal from the International to force them to defeat the Constitutional changes. Now they have removed the 2020 committee, the last throne in their side.

225 volunteers to support 150 paid attendees virtually guarantees no opposition from the floor in the future.

If they can just figure out how to have the MOHO issue resolved by executive order it will be just spend the treasure down to zero while enjoying the Grand Free Ride in their none Airstream MH.
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Now they have removed the 2020 committee, the last throne in their side.
Did they actually remove it? I thought it remained as a Special Committee, and all that happened was it didn't get converted to a Standing Committee. Or am I missing something?

Given the large number of do-little Standing Committees, I'm actually glad to see that they're not adding more, as long as the necessary work is still being done by Special Committees.
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:54 PM   #78
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Current status of the 2020 is in limbo. As much as I can tell (and note I'm a committee member!) as we didn't get Standing status, so we missed out on the committee chair vote. All that is needed is the president to appoint a chairman for the committee to continue, and as of July 5th that was not done. So officially the committee did not get renewed for 2013-2014. But I'm sure it will at a later date.

Also we not sure where or why the move to a Standing Committee, as we did not ask for that. But like all committees, we simply asked for a job and a task from the president and the EC.

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Old 07-08-2013, 03:13 PM   #79
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I believe that Dale Waters has been the chair of the 2020 committee for a couple years. He would know whether John S. has a mind to reappoint him. The committee has not been able to implement most of their proposals for the last couple years.
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Old 07-08-2013, 04:07 PM   #80
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Well it looks like Power has been consolidated at the Top.

Last year they threatened the Delegates with immediate removal from the International to force them to defeat the Constitutional changes. Now they have removed the 2020 committee, the last throne in their side.

225 volunteers to support 150 paid attendees virtually guarantees no opposition from the floor in the future.

If they can just figure out how to have the MOHO issue resolved by executive order it will be just spend the treasure down to zero while enjoying the Grand Free Ride in their none Airstream MH.
Howie, your second paragraph tends to imply that that the volunteers did not pay anything. All volunteers pay the same rally fee as everyone else. Water committee, etc, etc..
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Howie, your second paragraph tends to imply that that the volunteers did not pay anything. All volunteers pay the same rally fee as everyone else. Water committee, etc, etc..
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They get a longer stay for the same price, since they arrive early to help set things up. Whether they need to arrive as early as they do is a matter I'm going to defer to others with more experience.

Which brings up a question, who arrived first, and on what day?
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I was not able to find any reference here regarding a resolution to the motor home issue?Help?
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The motion to allow non-airstream motorhomes was soundly defeated, once again. The problem of a small number of old guard high ranking motorhome owners wanting new motorhomes was not resolved. They do not want to buy any of the remaining used low mileage Airstream motorhomes.
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The motion to allow non-airstream motorhomes was soundly defeated, once again. The problem of a small number of old guard high ranking motorhome owners wanting new motorhomes was not resolved. They do not want to buy any of the remaining used low mileage Airstream motorhomes.
At work, I've known people who were eligible to retire, but never would. Even when their take-home retirement pay would be higher than their take-home working salary. There were a number of reasons: "I don't know what I'd do with myself." Which is a sad commentary on the value of their life. "This company still needs me." Which would mean they'd never be allowed to die, either. "I'd really miss you guys." Don't they know anyone other than coworkers? Get a life, please. "I really like it here." Which is the only good reason to stick around, as long as you're still qualified to do the work.

The same applies to the WBCCI old guard. They want to stick around in WBCCI, even after they get rid of their Airstreams. This despite the fact that Airstreams are the reason WBCCI exists. "I don't know what I'd do with myself without the caravans and the rallies." Explore new horizons, guys. Lots of people spend their entire RVing lives witohut ever attending a rally or caravan, and have a great time. You can learn how, too. "This club still needs me." WBCCI gets by just fine without Wally Byam, it can get by without any one person. The march of time takes every club member, eventually. And, if you like Thor motorhomes more than you like Airstreams, then you're not the kind of person this club needs. "I'll really miss you guys." You can meet new people to hang out with. Besides, you've still got your last membership directory, you can get in touch with any of us, any time you want, without having to attend a rally, caravan, or IBT meeting to do it. "I really like it here." Great! Keep your Airstream and stick around!
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