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Old 01-25-2019, 09:08 AM   #71
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My button says ”download” next to each link.

Maybe you can open without downloading?

(On edit...you can open and read without hitting the download button)

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Old 01-25-2019, 09:53 AM   #72
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My button says ”download” next to each link.

Maybe you can open without downloading?

(On edit...you can open and read without hitting the download button)

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Yes. I’m using the app on my iPhone so tapping on the link just opened the pdf. No download required.

Big doc (man there’s a lot of rules and regulations ).
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Old 01-25-2019, 12:06 PM   #73
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Yup! No dog in the fight anymore but one person here seems tobe looking for one. Even a long time membef can troll.
Not sure just what not having a dog in a fight has to do with answering what I thought was a relatively simple question...the comment just serves to muddy the water - so to speak. To imply that someone who does not share your perspective is looking for a fight or is a troll ....is simply a mean and unwarranted position. Every time this issue comes up there is all sorts of posturing, but never a direct 5 - 10 word answer in print on AF. Are WBCCI members that sensitive to the issue? We have been members here on Air Forums (with many helpful comments, hints, and photos posted) for a long time - eight years (3 Airstream's worth and, incidentally WBCCI members 3 out of the last 6 years as our resources, time, and forest fire evacuations would allow) ... and we would never think to accuse someone of being a troll just for asking a question albeit "dodged" by many and still IMO gone inadequately answered. Let me pose a different question, then ... what is so inflammatory about asking about the perks of WBCCI office holders that causes the defensive and deriding attitude by some WBCCI members? We have friends in the US and Canada from three different unit memberships that are WBCCI members and officers ...and have enjoyed local, state, regional, and international events with them!


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Are you honestly saying you won’t go to the link provided, go to the specific page number referenced, and read the answer to your specific questions yourself? And you’re suggesting that providing a link instead of regurgitating it here is “dodging” the question? Really? That’s your position?


I personally couldn’t give a rip about the expense reimbursement - but I had to do it myself to see...

Good luck!
Well, SSM, I would like to have your good luck headed my way (thank you)... at least with regard to answering my inquiry. We left the bustle of an urban environment to settle into a rural area in the mountains. Unfortunately, because of the sparse population, we do not have a landline or wired internet access ... leaving us with a low strength wireless signal connection that is dependent upon weather and atmospheric conditions. Several times when I attempted to access the link provided, my phone "timed out" and the screen turned to junk. Hence, my request for a direct answer here on Air Forums.

It is very difficult for my 70 year old fingers to make easy progress on my cell phone screen (especially two functions at once) even when I reverse pinch the screen. That is why I have repeatedly asked for the information - not pages worth regurgitated ... just in a few words - to be entered here on AF. Perhaps, it would be easier for us answering AF posts on a tablet - if we had one that functioned properly. So, yes - to answer your question- I won't drive 50 miles to get to a signal where I can access the link above or to download PDF files. That is why I posed the question here again after the original posting of some time ago.

I do give a rip about reimbursement ... aren't many AF members on fixed incomes financially curious - that is why I asked about it AND got clobbered several times for doing so! Clearly I am not THE expert here but find it interesting that so many apparently have the information, but either can't be bothered to incorporate it into their answers here .... or, simply refuse to post it for whatever reason.
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Only goes to show you via some of the responses

That you can please some of the people some of the time, but you cannot please all of the people all of the time. Frankly when you get right down to it, most of the "negative" written in this post is trivial, and to some extent meaningless. Being the member of any board can be a lot of hard work. It requires personal sacrifice that comes without any reward other than personal gratification. To think otherwise is simply foolish at best. Personally I am thankful that a small group of people are willing and able to step up and represent all AS'ers on a Board of Directors. Thank you for your service!
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Old 01-25-2019, 01:02 PM   #75
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Mefly2 - check your inbox on the forums. I copied and pasted the text of the 3 pages from the bylaws that describes the process. Formatting isn’t great but you have it now.

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Old 01-25-2019, 02:29 PM   #76
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Thank you very much ...easy reading as opposed to trying to get the cell phone to connect link.
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Old 01-26-2019, 08:24 AM   #77
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Region officer travel reimbursement

I'm only going to speak here about the Region president travel budget. As President, I am expected to visit all of the clubs in my region once a year - my region is Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Montana, British Columbia and Alberta Saskatchewan and my term of office is two years long. I am reimbursed the standard government approved mileage rate - I think .54 per mile plus overnight camping costs. These visits happen to install new officers, deal with issues that members might be having with the club, bring news of results of meeting votes, and discuss dissolution if necessary (these six units are very healthy and will NOT dissolve). I also want to get to know my members better to get a feel for what changes I, as a Region president, should be advocating with the International leadership. As you can imagine, this takes up a good portion of the summer - driving there, staying three days for a rally and driving home. I am also reimbursed for mileage and overnight costs for attending the winter board of trustees meeting (the Region presidents and International officers compose the board of trustees.) We live in Oregon and recent meetings have been held in Florida and Alabama.



We are not reimbursed anything at all for attending the summer International meeting. This year it is in Virginia. We will drive and it will take us several days, lots of fuel, and overnight camping. And then we have to drive back! The cost of the rally itself is NOT reimbursed for either meeting.



The board has fiduciary responsibility for this club and we make decisions about hundreds of thousands of dollars at times - just last week in fact. Because there is no reimbursement for travel to the summer meeting, we are, as a club, sort of self selecting for people/officers who can fund their own travel to far away places. I'm not wild about that concept because that, then, shapes the nature of our board toward people who have the money to spend on this, which is probably not truly representative of people in the club. Some people say, "well, they buy these expensive trailers so they can afford to travel anywhere". Except that's really not the case. We have lots and lots of members who buy used or vintage trailers and are NOT spending lots of money on the trailer itself.


So for those who have concerns about travel reimbursement for the board of trustees, I can personally assure you that it doesn't come close to covering expenses incurred. One must love what they are doing in this club to agree to a board position.


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Old 02-08-2019, 01:37 PM   #78
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Question? This might have been asked before, however I cant fine it. If the WBCCI has changed its name to WBAC. Why, then is the WEB Page as of 02/08/2019 yet under WBCCI? I renewed my dues to the WBCCI not WBAC. The WBCCI Web Page makes no reference to WBAC.
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Old 02-08-2019, 02:58 PM   #79
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I had the same question and comment. I was reminded that it was a vote taken not too long ago. It would appear that the transition is going to be gradual. I did find in the latest WBCCI directory some mention of both.
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Old 02-09-2019, 10:13 AM   #80
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Apologies for my delayed response...

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from the original post ... and returning to topic question I asked ...

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... just wanting to know what the reimbursement is ...specifically, in numbers or $$$ per mile or event ... right here on Air Forums not in a referral to another document. Payments for officers "expenses" for travel ? ... which officers / at what level qualify? Are meals covered for officers when members pay a rally fee? Are rally fees for officers waived ... etc ... Why can't the respondents address this question directly instead of dodging?

Outgoing int pres, Jim, was very helpful and enlightening when we talked to him at International last summer about some of the unique characteristics of local units.

Damon Beals: yes, please message the numbers to which you refer ... but why not just post here?
It appears to me to be a rather simple question I have posed ...

Monah, please help here.
Hi all,

First I would like to thank Terri Warren for her articulate response earlier in this thread. It was well-crafted and reflects the commitment to the members of Region 10.....which is replicated across the WBAC. *Squirrel for a minute here - WBAC is a dba, our entity remains WBCCI as registered with the State of OH and in our Constitution & By-Laws.

Here's a quick synopsis of the travel budget process, which I'm currently in the midst of with our incoming 2019/2020 leadership team and Corporate Manager.

Traditionally, International Officers (Prez, 1st, 2nd, 3rd VPs, Treasurer, Recording Secretary & Past Int'l Prez) have been assigned travel to approx four Region, National and/or Special Event Rallies throughout the fiscal year.

The team works collaboratively to combine travel (example: I'm going to TX Vintage Rally, Alumpalooza* & Region 4 this summer....mileage calculated from starting point to R4 with two stops along the way). We also attend Unit, Region and other rallies without reimbursement because we love to camp and spend time with Club members.

*With a growing number of Special Event Rallies, & realizing that Airstream owners who may or may not be Club members...yet attend events such as Alumapalooza & the wildly popular Canopener (which became a Special Event rally in 2019), we've worked diligently to spread our travel to achieve a broader reach.

**Int'l Officer Travel Reimbursement:
Assigned Travel: one-way mileage calculated from starting point to rally @ $.535/mile, $20/night camping fee for every 300 miles traveled (this one always makes me giggle) & rally fee.

Mid-Winter Board Meeting: same calculation as above

International Rally: no reimbursement

**Region Officer Travel Reimbursement:
Within Region: Base rate per President of $1,386 + $36 per unit/club in Region, VP's $36 per unit/club in Region

Mid-Winter Board Meeting: round-trip mileage calculated from Prez starting point @ $.535/mile, $20/night camping fee for every 300 miles traveled & rally fee.

International Rally: no reimbursement

The 2019/2020 leadership team had a FANTASTIC budget planning kick-off meeting in Robertsdale. We are committed to developing and adhering to a balanced budget, scrubbing every income & expense line item and exploring ways to improve existing processes.

Hope this helps, we're committed to transparency and to this Club and value your trust in allowing us to steward the WBCCI on behalf of our past, current & future members.

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It would be helpful - in your current position - if you could clarify the mystery of travel expen$e reimbursement for officers at various levels ...
Just did....see answer above.
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The corporate name and the tradesman need not be the same. If a transition is going on, expect it to be gradual as people get used to it.

I have seen complaints about the travel budget for years. Unless only the wealthiest are to be leaders, asking officers to pay their way to meetings they have to go to as part of their responsibilities is unfair. It looks like some of the reimbursements are quite low or nonexistent. Being an officer or board member takes a tremendous amount of time in any fairly large nonprofit and can be quite expensive as well. Sometimes people attack the travel budgets because they don't like the officers or board members—that's not fair either. A lot of people travel for fun or to learn stuff, but going to meetings is not the kind of travel most people want to do very much of, so asking volunteers to pay for that is to discourage good people from running for any office.
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The corporate name and the tradesman need not be the same. If a transition is going on, expect it to be gradual as people get used to it.

I have seen complaints about the travel budget for years. Unless only the wealthiest are to be leaders, asking officers to pay their way to meetings they have to go to as part of their responsibilities is unfair. It looks like some of the reimbursements are quite low or nonexistent. Being an officer or board member takes a tremendous amount of time in any fairly large nonprofit and can be quite expensive as well. Sometimes people attack the travel budgets because they don't like the officers or board members—that's not fair either. A lot of people travel for fun or to learn stuff, but going to meetings is not the kind of travel most people want to do very much of, so asking volunteers to pay for that is to discourage good people from running for any office.
Thank you for the response Gene. I would also add that when "we don't know what we don't know" it's easy to make assumptions. By exploring ways to improve existing processes, it is our goal to address roadblocks which discourage good people from running for office.

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Old 02-12-2019, 12:40 PM   #84
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The corporate name and the tradesman need not be the same.
Thanks to spell checker, a constant source of wry amusement, "trade name" became "tradesman". Every state has a process for registering a trade name different or the same as the corporate name. Do not confuse with "trade mark" which is like a logo, not necessarily a word or words. They can also be registered (thus, registrada marca or the symbol "TM"). Some can also be done on the federal level. If you find this at all interesting, go to law school and find out a lot more things to enthrall people at cocktail parties.

I will add that years ago people complained about WBCCI dues—I think they were around $55. That was pretty low for membership in such organizations, especially one comprised of millionaires (the last clause may be untrue, but was fun to write). Organizations hate to raise dues and year after year inflation eats a little more of the income until the dues [I]have[I] to be raised and often a lot, angering everyone.

Wonder what spell checker will do next?
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