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Old 04-11-2006, 04:02 PM   #57
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Joining a local unit by far is the status quo, but depending on the unit, a member could get some "static" over not attending unit functions and even not qualifying to receive certain materials unless in attendance. This has been my personal experience and one that had me ask my local officers if they would prefer I become a member at large next year. Joining a local unit carries a responsibility or at the least, an assumption that one will be active at that level. It can create a two way frustration (both with unit and member) depending upon the member's intention of signing on with the group. So as Bryan stated a good point to consider is, "Are units locality centric (as most are) or issue centric."
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Old 04-11-2006, 04:24 PM   #58
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You know with all that is going on here about WBCCI, maybe it's just me, it's late but in regard to the question on this thread:

Has Airstream Put the "Nail In The Coffin" for WBCCI? - or not?

I sure as heck hope so. I like the informal forum type rallys that are out there. Seems a growing number of folks do too. To that I say, who needs WBCCI? You think folks will sell their Airstream, Argosy and MOHOs and basecamps and never meet another Airstreamer again? The bonds, regardless of club will never be broken. I say if there is a Thor under current, so be it. How much worse could it possibly get? I mean really, make a nearly sunk ship more sunk?

Ok, I'm taking my keyboarding privs away until later.... and will be putting on my 3 ply flame suit now as I duck behind this brick wall for some protection from the heat.
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Old 04-11-2006, 06:32 PM   #59
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You know with all that is going on here about WBCCI, maybe it's just me, it's late but in regard to the question on this thread:

Has Airstream Put the "Nail In The Coffin" for WBCCI? - or not?

I sure as heck hope so. I like the informal forum type rallys that are out there. Seems a growing number of folks do too. To that I say, who needs WBCCI? You think folks will sell their Airstream, Argosy and MOHOs and basecamps and never meet another Airstreamer again? The bonds, regardless of club will never be broken. I say if there is a Thor under current, so be it. How much worse could it possibly get? I mean really, make a nearly sunk ship more sunk?

Ok, I'm taking my keyboarding privs away until later.... and will be putting on my 3 ply flame suit now as I duck behind this brick wall for some protection from the heat.
Many Unit rallies are "the informal (forum) type rallys that are out there." Just because the Unit you were involved in wasn't "forum like", doesn't mean they are all the same ~

This is why you AREN'T a member...why throw flames at those who are? We happen to enjoy both ~

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Old 04-11-2006, 06:56 PM   #60
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I like the informal forum type rallys that are out there. Seems a growing number of folks do too. To that I say, who needs WBCCI?
I do! I hope to see WBCCI continue to prosper. I love that I am part of a club that has such a history of worldwide travel, even if I will never do the same with them. I want to participate in a Caravan (or several) some day when my schedule permits (still working right now, so that makes it hard). I want to continue to participate in the bigger Special Event Rally's (like last year's Indy 500 Rally, which we loved) that will take me to events that I would probably never experience otherwise. To bad many of these are going away (Indy 500, Kentucky Derby, Mardi Gras, Rose Bowl, Statue of Liberty, etc.).

This year we hope to actually make it to a few local unit Rallies to see what they are about. They may add to the list of reasons I want WBCCI to prosper, I just don't know for sure yet.

And yes the informal Forum type Rallies are good, too.
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Old 04-11-2006, 07:03 PM   #61
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I'm not throwing flames Shari, what I am saying is therer are more groups like the one in northern IL than there are like the ones in CO, SC, TX to name a few. I'm happy for the folks that have groups that have made it, but a few handfuls of local happy groups does not a national orginization make. There have been and continue to be substantial problems with the national charter.

Joe, if things continue to go, you'll also see the International go away too.....
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Old 04-12-2006, 05:51 AM   #62
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Is it time for a monocoque Airstream 5th Wheel?

Just a thought, with Airstream getting out of the MH business, would this be a good time for them to consider making an alumunum skinned monocoque 5th wheel to appeal to those soon to be ex-MH owners. Rumor has it that 5er's are easier to pull, and that can allow for more length and weight and interior space. And maybe more slides.

At the 2004 WBCCI International Rally in Lansing, Michigan, I personally heard Dicky Reigel asked about the possibility of creating such an Airstream 5th Wheel and he said he was not interested. Now that he's moved on, could his replacement consider such an undertaking?

If they did and it kept the traditional Airstream appearance as much as possible for a 5er (do not say Squarestream or Integrity), would it find a market with WBCCI Officers or others?
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Old 04-12-2006, 12:16 PM   #63
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hi 66o'

watch the basecamp line......
if it goes anywhere.....
i suspect we will see a 5th wheel model....
within this series.....

who knows about styling,
but i suspect the front 5er shape will be more like the
current basecamp front and less like a classic trailer...
curvey side2side...while upright, a slightly sloping rake to suggest speed.

monocoque? unlikely....
given the tiered roof line,
and step-up usually part of a 5er...
and the weight loads that a 5er must handle.
this will be bottom supported model....
doubt the skin and ribs could handle this...
and don't forget the slides....

but it should be silver, shiney and with touches that suggest...
airstream evolution....
simpler interior materials and construction
like the special editions safaris
and hopefully torsen axles....

just a wild bunch of guesses

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Old 04-12-2006, 04:09 PM   #64
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"To be ever mindful .... to avoid disharmony and ill feelings among club members and to dedicate ourselves to the work of cementing together the members of WBCCI in bonds of good fellowship and mutual understanding. (6/23/01)
Never having been given any published information on the club (as far as I know) I have not seen this before now. I have a problem. Avoiding disharmony is directly against my values.
I do not accept the idea that others are so much weaker than I as humans that I must treat them as of inferior intellect and poor self esteem. I know that to do so is a curse on them and distructive. Conflict is healthy and necessary. It's the de facto test of morale.
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I think it means to seek peace wherever peace is possible. It doesn't mean you can't have and express different opinions. It means you need to learn to not be diagreeable as you are disagreeing.

Conducting ones self as a lessor is a Christain ethic as in the Lord humbling himself to minister to others.
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I think it means to seek peace wherever peace is possible. It doesn't mean you can't have and express different opinions. It means you need to learn to not be diagreeable as you are disagreeing.

Conducting ones self as a lessor is a Christain ethic as in the Lord humbling himself to minister to others.
Boy... you sure do know how to up the ante.
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Old 04-12-2006, 08:47 PM   #67
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ROFL! Sorry Over59 It's Easter.Well hey, if I'm going to name drop, why mess around?
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Just for the record. Any unit unhappy with the current by-laws regarding voting (or anything else) can propose amended by-laws. Someone must draft a change to the by-law and get it approved by a vote of their unit members. Then their unit President sends it to their Region Board who votes on it and if it passes there, it goes to International to be voted on by the delegates.

This is time consuming, but fairly democratic. There are also deadlines for each step and if you get involved in this, please be aware of those deadlines! I wasn't one year and it really bummed me out! Missing a deadline can delay you a year since the delegates only meet once a year.

You, or anyone else, could start this ball rolling.

The proposed changes should be crafted with great consideration of everything possible. Consult with people in the know and who understand the system. By being thorough, you improve the chances of getting something passed.

If you move to give MAL's a vote, how would they vote? To whom would they send their votes? What other questions might you need to find answers to to determine it your motion is crafted in the best interest of the overall organization/members?

I don't say this to discourage, but to encourage you to know it is possible, but does require some work.

All of the chatter on the forums is fine, but for any change to happen, some of the chatter needs to become action.

The membership is not powerless, we just need to learn how to use the system.

A copy of the current by-laws can be found on the WBCCI web site at www.wbcci.org.

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Old 04-17-2006, 08:42 PM   #69
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new members directory and unit forums

It would be nice if every unit had it's own on line forum. Dialog for change could be initiated and the progress could be tracked and contributed to, expediting matters and opening up the current status of timely issues as well as activities and events. Travelers would have the opportunity to stay connected with their local units and continue an interchange that could compliment and extend business addressed at attended meetings. Minutes and newsletters could be posted. Involvement could be boosted and time frames could be narrowed from waiting a month or longer before a response. A climate of enthusiasm and encouragement, knowlege and awareness would be cultivated. News feeds from WBCCI or other units could be e-mailed to members. We could expand time for consideration of unit issues large and small beyond the time constraints of luncheon and rally meetings and be better prepared to make advances during those meetings. And it would be just plain fun and cool.

I still think a central database on member number could be implimented with features to provide contact, list courtesy parking, rallies (not attended in the past but to list the ones they will be attending) status of account of dues paid, provision to pay rally fees, place to poll and cast votes, and more. This could be the new members directory, being up to date and editable.
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It would be nice if every unit had it's own on line forum...... Travelers would have the opportunity to stay connected with their local units and continue an interchange that could compliment and extend business addressed at attended meetings. Minutes and newsletters could be posted. Involvement could be boosted and time frames could be narrowed...A climate of enthusiasm and encouragement, knowledge and awareness would be cultivated. News feeds from WBCCI or other units could be e-mailed to members. We could expand time for consideration of unit issues....And it would be just plain fun and cool....I still think a central database on member number could be implemented with features to provide contact, list courtesy parking, rallies ...status of account of dues paid, provision to pay rally fees, place to poll and cast votes, and more. This could be the new members directory, being up to date and editable.


Carol:

What a great idea - seriously!...With the "changing of the guard" of the unit I am associated with I have taken it upon myself to "set up" the unit website - I had no idea that the transition from user to html setter-upper would be so difficult. I have used computers fairly extensively in my professional career, but the difference between using "business" programs and web page editing is tremendous...I continue to chip away at it, one problem at a time, but I have a long way to go. I will try to incorporate your suggestions as much as possible...especially the forum and chat ideas.

You know, I can appreciate the hesitance of the "old farts" to embrace this new fangled computer stuff; it is more than just a bit intimidating to anyone who has not “grown up” with computers. Fortunately, the unit I have joined has been fairly successful in recruiting “youngsters” of recent retirement…most of whom are computer literate.

I believe that the evolution of computer based communication will come to WBCCI (or its descendant) within a very short time….those of us who remain in the organization will “force” the change due to succession of membership by the demise of the old guard. I am closer to 60 than 50, so mortality and time constraints are much more in my thoughts than they were 10 years ago.

There are other threads that deal with the evolution of clubs – some go the way of the dinosaurs, and are just a memory – others are like a roach – they are everywhere, but do not seem to affect life one way or the other, and still others, like a religion, stir passion in the hearts of the membership. Maybe passion is too much to ask of the WBCCI, but I realize that there are manifold benefits to being a member….it’s certainly not for everyone, but there are many niches that need filling within the outdoor recreation community. The advent of fast, cheap, and reliable net communication will surely change the recreation club communication just as it has changed business communication. By making the "niche" clubs well known, and allowing regular communication of a like group based across various states, the WBCCI, as the Forum Rallys have demonstrated, could take advantage of widespread AirStream ownership desiring a club affiliation, but not having a "local" club to link to.
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