FORMAL GRIEVANCE
DATE: June 26, 2009
TO: Mr. Jerry Larson, Presiden~ Wally Byam Caravan Club International
RE: Grievance - filed against Leo G WBCCI # 6006, Preside~ Unit 72 - Metro NY, Region 2
STATEMENT:
This document will outline that Leo G [6006] did willfully and knowingly assist in conducting a
campaign of intimidation and smear against my persoo, character, and business in a manner that constitutes
gross negligence ofhis official WBCCI duties, dereliction of his elected WBCClleadership level office,
and further violates nearly every item ofWBCCI code ofethics.
[see attacbed support document "WBCG:llnternet Realities - Tbe Internet Bullding Block"]
Garvey's public behavior further demonstrates sucb a high level ofdisregard for the WBCCI organization,
it's leadership and its membership as to at least partially explain the declining membership numbers and the
current overall state of the club due to exposure of members and potential members to his public
communications.
FACTS:
[grammatical errors ofposts left intact]
[emphasis (bold face) has been added by me]
(exhibit oj
On 06-20-2009 @ I:50 PM Leo G [6006] entered the following post on the WBCCI Forums under his
moniker u65GT" :
65GT 06-20-2009 @ I :50 PM
I just wisb I could say tbat I trusted lbe bonesty and integrity in lbe way messages and threads on
this forum are bandied, but I don't. Many of my past posting. have been deleted, and I was told (yes
bearsay) that was under the direct order of a past International President.
Regardless, we now have manipulation of postings as recent as this morning. Followed by the EC Chair
chastising those members whose posts remain.
Mere members can not delete their postingl here. However, non-member (fact) Moderators caD do
as they please (and do)•..
It would be pointless to upload the partial screen shot here, where it would be just as likely to be
deleted near instantly, so I have tacked the partil. screen shot to SaveWally.org/forums, here:
bttp:/lsavewally.orgiforumsiindex.php/topic,1484.msgl0896.btm1#msgl0896
6006
This message was edited by 65GT on 6-20-09 @ I :59 PM
• This post clearly exhibIts Leo G's well-documented, ill-intended spreading of misinformation,
manipulation of facts, and outright declatation offalsehoods in his attempt to spread disharmony and iIlwill
among WBCCI members and undermine organizational leadership authority. Garvey publicly
questions matter-of-factly and in his own words the '~honesty and integrity" of the leadership based on
"hearsay". Garvey goes on to publicly proclaim the falsehood that there are "non-member [fact]
moderators" who can "do as they please [and do]" on the WBCCI club forums. There are none. As is
typical with the SaveWally organization members, the post is ended with a link to the SaveWally website.
[exhibit b]
On 06-20-2009 @ 6:06 AM Leo G [6006] entered the following post on the WBCCI Forums under
his moniker "65GT" :
65GT 06-20-2009 @ 6:06 AM
I can't go through all of that -- I've read most/much of it already. Here's my observation of what's taken
place.
Tim says there were 44 emails going back and forth before he got the final word. During that time Tim
was giving it his all researching and digging, jointly with Charlie. It's apparent to me that's wbere all the
"1's" come from.
I think that's likely a whole lot of effort, and it appears to me that Tim maybe wasn't fully aware that there
were just as many emails going back and forth in another direction.
It's possible that Charlie wasn't being entirely open about what was going on. Maybe that was
intentional form an exploratory point of view (Big Blue does this all the time internally).
Yet, ifTim was somehow under the impression that his work and research were ofreal value, I can see how
this all spirals out of control.
If I were in Tim's shoes, and believed that there was an alternate reality, I never would have made it to 44
emails. I would have explored and researched for a dozen or so, and then bowed out jf the direction wasn1t
clear, or it looked like my efforts were failing out of favor. Everybody's time and efforts are valuable. It's
one thing ifyouTe being paid for your time (???), it's quite another when all ofyour efforts are
VOLUNTEER efforts.
Nobody wants to see their time and efforts wasted, and yet I have no idea how to summarize all of this, as
°1° wasn't involved. (still counting?)
What r do know is that the discussions surrounding this new effort at the Mid-Winters was a
complete abomination, and very readily revealed that our top leadership had little clue as to the real
goals and purpose of the effort. It instead turned into a witchhunt - eliminate handles - fuU
disclosure of posters - we need to reveal and run off 'rascals', and make sure no one could inftltrate
a system they don't use, and make sure no ODe could assume the identity of other members. Bmm...
Leadership? We're still running with a cold war mentality at the top, back in the 50's, back in the
USSR!
I suspect that kind of nonsense leads to an 1800+ word Terms of Service, and that lack of trust within
the membership, from a leadership viewpoint (much like leaders don't trust ANY member to cast
any absent Unit's votes [what PARANOIA!)). These leadership aspects paint a much broader
picture of the fear and mistrust that revolves around our top levels of leadership. How fearful are we
that we nOed a parliamentarian to get involved in a TOS? Same old WBCCI I've been watching
since 2005. Unfortunately it sounds like the same old WBCCI memhers have been fleeing since
1978...
69 Ill's", 6 "we's" (after being dropped to a beta tester, how many we's could there be?), and no "US" (not
when you've been cut buddy) are all appropriate. Thanks for counting...
So would you be one of those 'paid' staff that helped build it? You don't own Vintage-Airstream.com?
It's going to be awful lonely over ther~ but then again, maybe that's what leadership needs in order
to get their heads and necks out of their shell- a forum completely devoid of members - leadership
wannabees exceptions of course. There will always be those... (crickets)...
Hey, how many WBCCI leaders does it take to balance a budget and grow the membership?
Damned if anybody really knows - but if we ad anolber half dozen committees, maybe expand to a
fourlb level of leadership (lbe Exalted 3?), we sure could Increase the rate at which we burn through
financial resources and finally get to lbe end of a 30 year trend line - total club dissolution•••
Hey guess what - 600+ words - you'd be about 113rd of the way to finding out exactly what you can
and can't do at the brand new WBCCI forums with an EIGHTEEN HUNDRED+ WORD TERMS
OF SERVICE.
•••and yet nobody understands why we're running out of members, money, and time... Good grief.
6006
This message was edited by 65GT on 6-20-Q9 @ 2:00 PM
• This is a clear example ofLeo G's gross negligence of his WBCCI duties, dereliction and abuse of
his WBCCI elected office and of his verbal assaults on WBCCI Leadership in public forum
communications in an attempt to discredi~ smear and undermine organizational authority. Accusations of
intentional leadership dishonesty, incompetence, "witch-hunt", "cold war", ''USSR'', leadership distrustful
of membership. "paranoia", "mistrust that revolves around our top levels of leadership", U •••get their heads
and necks out of their sheU", "leadership wannabees", mockery ofleadership financial stewardship, etc, etc,
etc.
No further comment....
lexhibit c)
On June 19,2009, 11:18:59 AM Leo G [6006] entered the following post on the SaveWaUy.org
Forums under his moniker "65GT" :
Re: WBCCI Forums - Missing The Mark?
«Reply #7 on: June 19,2009, 11 :18:59 AM»
I'm sure Tim will have plenty, let's get one thing straight...
The Sprint Cup Series is owned and operated by NASCAR -- very bad analogy Charlie.
A sponsor is merely an exlusive or shared advertiser, sometimes a promoter. You reach nascar through
Nascar.com. You don't reach Nascar through Nascar.SPRINT.com...
Nobody has any objections to anything that has been done (that I'm aware of) except having that forum
hosted at any uri address other than a WBCCI owned and operated urI...
Thank the sponsor anyway you like Charlie. If you're looking for paid sponsors, get me a rate card. The
last time someone thought they could intimidate mere members at WBCCI, they talked a big game, and
then they balked when somebody actually took them up on a PAID page. A paid page that never should
have been required in the first place, but then again, leadership in this club is pretty good at dismissing
the membenhip, aren't they?
...and don~ lay this nobody volunteers crap here. We've got a Unit Guide here with hundreds of hours
invested, that we were asked to donate to the WBCCI under the condition that nobody could take credit
(mere mention or otherwise) for actually doing the work. Kind oflike telling Jim H to continue on with his
Merit Award program as long as nobody knows he's working on iL Or maybe you being in charge ofthe
EC Committee, but you'd have to go by Chairman X or something.
Our leadership is full of hypocrites Charlie - not rumor - Dot opinion - fact... Some intentionally
work against the membership'. right to vote, and be informed, and yet throogh onr failed
"leadership self~selectioDprogram" these hypocrites are allowed to rise to the top.
Put the clubts needs first and foremost and there shouldn't be any problems. Get deluded ·in compromise
and conflict of interest results? They get caught up in thlin one each and every time...
Oh, and I'm very aware of the free offer Tim is talking abouL It's a URL, WBCClFbrums.org that Tim
would be happy to GIVE to the WBCCr - lock, stock, barrel, passwords - lock Tim out if you like - but it
becomes something better than sending Nascar fans to SPRINT for NASCAR business...
Talk isn't cheap here - the amount of electronic communications that we've facilitated here over the
last 4 years runs circles around WBCCI's pace to get with the times. SaveWaUy.org 1
WBCCI.SaveWaUy.org 1SaveWaUy.orgiforums. AU at near zero cost (well Tim's domain
registration and Tim's donation of hosting space aside). For those that aren't familiar with what those
cost (to compare what it would cost the WBCCI to get out ofcontracting for web service) Domain
registration (the uri you go to for $20 a year (padded)), and $4lmth hosting costs. Add software, or FREE
software and this club could be saving THOUSANDS a year, all on volunteer effort.
Make it happen Charlie, and volunteers will step up to help you maintain any and all... Just pull the plug on
OTC and make it happen...
Lastly (no smilies again - damn!), thanks for stopping by. Don't be a stranger - there's nothing wrong
with a little 2-way communication!
« Last Edit: June 19, 2009, 11:31 :25 AM by 65GT »
.. This communication underscores not only Leo G's complete lack ofcommon counesy and respect
for WBCCI Leadership and fellow WBCCI club members alike, but also exhibits negligence and
dereliction ofbis elected WBCCI office in the public undennining of organizational authority. Not to
mention the public mockery and humiliation of same. Why would any curious potential new member be
persuaded to join WBCCI upon viewing this type ofdialog?
(exhibit d)
On Friday morning 06-26-2009 Leo G [6006J attempted to circulate a document to the!BT in order to
circumvent and sway a final presentation and vote. This attempt was thwarted by Mr. Jerry Larson, WBCCI
International President. This document is titled "WBCCI Internet Realities - The Internet Building
Block" and is an attachment for supporting documentation.
• This document illustrates Leo G's complete lack ofcommon courtesy and respect for his fellow
WBCCI club members but also personal abuse ofhis WBCCI elected position, disregard for established
organizational procedures. and his general penchant for sowing strife amongst fellow members of the
WBCCL The document itself is a clumsy, IIili hour attempt to create chaos and confusion by presenting
misinformation, falsehoods and outright untruths in order to "divide and conquer" which is typical behavior
for Leo G and the SaveWally organization.
Let us be clear. There are many organizations and websites which now prosper offof the legacy and history
of the Wally Byam Club while at the sarne time ridiculing it publicly. Tbey include SaveWally, AirForums,
and numerous others. While professing public support the troth is that any newly sprouting success of the
WBBCI organization poses a grave threat to these other organizations. That is the reason the only thing
they ever have to offer are criticisms. Leo G and his SaveWally.org are about promoting Leo G
and SaveWally.org.
VIOLATION!S!:
Pursuant to Article XV of the WBCCI Constitution, Bylaws [01119107), ArtiCle V, Sect.2,
Pg. 1I, items A & B "Disciplinary Procedures" I hereby file grievance against Leo G [6006) for
violations ofthe WBCCI Code of Ethics:
[1) To be ever mindful of our responsibility to Wally Byam Caravan Club International, Inc., and through
conduc~ indicate to the public that membership in this organization is an assurance ofour courtesy on
the road and good will to all peoples and countries.
[2] To be ever mindful of what we say or print with respect to its effect on others so as to avoid disharmony
and ill feelings among club members and to dedicate ourselves to the work of cementing together the
members of WBCCI in bonds of good fellowship and mutual understanding.
[3] To conduct ourselves in a manner to inspire others engaged in recreational vehicle travel to a full
appreciation of the intent and meaning of this code.
[4] To maintain our camps in an orderly manner and leave them in the same way.
I do cbarge that based on the aforementioned evidentiary exlnbits [aJ through [d] that Leo G has
violated in numerous and egregious ways every item in the WBCCI Code of Ethics with the possible
exception of item 4 [see supporting documentation]. I respectfully request that WBCCI take stern and
aggressive measures against him to eliminate these kinds of actions in our organization both now and into
the future.
SUMMARY:
Although lowe the assailants of this project no explanations whatsoever, I would like for the benefit of the
Committees to use this SUlIUDary as an opportunity to set the record straight on this project.
Together with Charlie Burke, our small group bas invested 7 months of effort into building a world-class
resource for the WBCCI that surpasses any and all competitors. Everything has been professionally bandbuilt
and it is hosted professionally on the level ofYouTube & eBay. No expense bas been spared.
Unbeknownst to the membership at large, we have discussed witb Airstream, Inc. their potential
participation on the new Forums. Charlie Burke bas been in contact with Mr. Wbeeler who in tum has
reacted very favorably. Just this past Saturday, June 20, I was contacted at borne by the head of marketing
and branding at Airstream. I have a long-standing and friendly relationship with him. One of his comments
to me on Saturday [with a chuckle] was, and I quote, "Greg, your biggest problem is your level of quality
and your eye for detaiL.the site is wonderful and we want you right where you are."
I personally urge the leadership to verify these things for themSelves based on MY facts.
The SaveWally.org organization was complici! in these actions. The continuous assault on this projec~
WBCCI membership & WBCCI Leadership by peny self-centered individuals runs the very real risk of
ruining the untold bright opportunities that are opening up for the future of the WBCCI.
It is my sincere hope & desire that this document, in its entirety, containing all the facts will be made public
so that it is visible for everyone to see the truth. As they say "Light is the best disinfectant."
Thank you for your time and prompt attention on this matter.
Sincerely,
Gregory A. Gibson
WBCCI#2026
704-566-1437 plf
__________________
Bob
'77 Sovereign Intl 31' CB '07 GMC 4x4 2500HD EC 8.1 Allision six | Bedrug | Softopper
WBCCI Time's a-changing Say no to Lawrence Welk attitudes
FORMAL GRIEVANCE
DAT"E: June 23,2009
TO: Mr. Jerry Larson, President, Wally Byam Caravan Club Intelllational
RE: Grievance - filed against Kimber Moore WBCCI #11281, U"nit Il-nor cal).-VAC Vintage Advantage
Newsletter Editor, CAe
STATEMENT:
This document will outline and prove conclus·ively that Kimber Moore [11281] d.id willfully and knowingly
participate and assist in conducting a campaign of intimidation and smear against my person, character, and.
business in a manner that constitutes gross negligence ofher official WBCCI duties, dereliction of her
WBCCI position, and further violates nearly every item ofthe W"BCCI code of ethics to which she is bound.
as a member.
This record will also conclusively demonstrate that Kimber Moore [11281] is com.plicit in word and deed
with her spouse Tiln I(endziorski [17330] and that the two work in concert and often interchangeably with
shared forum" nalnes~ shared accounts and shared credits on various webpage·s.
To wit SaveWally.org and wbcciforu.ms.org [exalnples provided. below].
Moore's public behavi.or further delTIOnstrates such a level of disregard for the WBCCl and its membership
as to at least partially explain. the declining Inembe-rship numbers and the current overaH state of the club
due to exposure of lnelnbers and potentialln.elnbers to his public cOlnmunications.
Ref. Sec III. WBeel. Constitution.
FACTS:
[grammatical errors of posts left intact]
[elnphasis (bold face) has been ad.ded. by tneJ
I"exhibit aJ
On 06-19-2009 @ 6:37 AMo Titn I(endziorski [17330] entered the following post on the WBCCI Forums
und.er his lTIoniker "buttercup".
Contained within this post were links to an unauth.orized screenshot ofthe new WBeel Forums taken by
Kend.ziorski after obtaining confidential adva.nced access fi'OITI Charlie Burke prior to public launch.
Kendziorski's "spouse Kim.ber Moore [1 1281] then took th.e stolen unauthorized screenshot and in an illegal
luanner digitally altered it to contain the following word.ing:
'"WBCCl.org sllould be tile /tome ojtlJe new WBCCI FOTams.•• But it isn't. Instead, the po1,1Jers that be
decided to host it awayji"oTn the WBCC/'s controlled web space and over to a commercial used Airstream
dealer's site. To resolve the situation, this site - UIBCCljorums.org has been offered to WBCfC]- dontain.
J1Gfne and hosting space, cOlnpletelY.free, no endorsements or requiren1ents.for rein1burselnents ofany kind
C-:lick here tofind out lnore. "
The illegally altered and unauthorized screenshot can be seen at: http://wbcciforums.orgJ
The illegal and unauthorized screenshot functions as a simple cIick..through \vebpage that takes the viewer
to a letter written by :Kimber Moore [11281] that is addressed to the .International Board of Trustees see
[exhibit b}.
Copies are provided as attachm.entc.; [support documentation].
buttercup 06-19-2009 @ 6:37 AM
In the latest of things that WBCCI probably should NOT do to help itself: the newly created forums, which
will be presented at the International Rally in MOadison, is going to be hosted on a site that is not owned or
operated by the WBCCI. In fact - it will be on a site belonging to a commercial vendor that has zero
responsibility or ties to WBCCI. Well, he is a melnber of WBCC.l - at least that much.
Looking at these new forums~ it is apparent that a lot or work has gone into upgrading things. But it also
appears that not much thought was given to the multitude of issues that can and inevitably will arise from
NOT hosting those forums on a site that is owned, managed and controlled by the WBCCI. You can't see
the forums just yet, but you can see a previe\v at WBCCI Forums.
Consider things like Identity, backup issues, loss of data or the forulns itself. What if the vendor goes out of
business? What if???? I think these questions were not thought of. But if they \verc, they were
discarded as unimportant. Charlie Burke, who is heading up the new forums project states that this
all occurred with the Executive Committee's acceptance. But I do not think they I<new the whole
story.
Having been one who for a short time at least, was on the committee to institute these new forum.s I. have
nothing but disappointnlent for the direction that the·se forums have taken with respect to the hosting and.
taking the cheapest route possible. Hosting them as a sub domain on a commercial vendor's site offers
nothing towards the identity of WBCCI. It is just a sub domain... It further lowers the W·BCCI.'s
standing in the RV community.
I still believe that there is time to correct this situation. I think th.at given the choi.ce~ the WBCCI could alter
course before it's too late and get a domain name and server space and put a forulns where- they should be -
under th~ direct and complete control ofthe W·BCCI. .
And for that I. am willing to try right here and now to help them -I am offering FR'EE of
endorsements, sponsor links, fees dues or recompense O"F ANY KIND to host the new forums under
a site that is owned by WBCCI. And if it can't be on WBCCl.org, no problem - I have purchased the
domain name WBCCIforums.Org and I win GIVE that to the WBCCI. free of charge, endorsements,
sponsor links, fees dues or recompense OF ANY KIND so that the new forums can be hosted on a site that
is owned and controlled by WBCCL This otTer is such that if WBeel wanted, they could also transfer
WBCCLOrg to the same se.rver space and start maintaining that for, freei.ng them from. OTS and saving the
club $3000 per year. These items I aln giving to WBCCI if they win take it. FRE:EI The domain nalne is all
set up and the server space is sitting and waiting.
I. am just a WBeel member who is concerned that the WBCCI leade·rship should really consider the
implications of hosting such a valuable asset off site and out from it's d.irect control when it doesn't have
to. These new fOfums SH.OULD be under the WBCCJ umbrella, not parked away on some sub domain on a
site not in any way related to the organization.
I believe wbcci.org is the best place to host the forulns, but if it can't be done - WBCClforums.Org is a
far better choice than a name which is Inisleading at best, will confuse many me'mbers (hey, is this a
vintage site I am going to?) and eventually will have to be .moved to WBCCI's site sooner or later. Why
take a chance at losing all ofthat data? Let's make the right move NOW', Either park those forums at
W·BCCI.org or move them to a web site that the W'BCCI can own right now tor zero cost.
Let's fix this now! Want more information; see the full story at SaveWally.org
W·BCCI #17330
Information included in this post were shared in confidence. To include them was wholly
inappropriate.
This message was edited by cbburke on 6...19-09 @ 10:17 AM.
* This post with a link to a stolen unauthorized screenshot of the new WBeel FOrUlTIS that has been
illegally digitally altered and parked at a UR.L owned by Kimber Moore & Tim Kendziorski delnonstrates
I<'inlber Moore's complicit behavior with her spouse 'rim Kendziorski in 1110unting a campaign of
intimidation against the new WBCCI. Forums development group> WBCC"I membership and WBCCI Board
OfTrustees in order to marginalize and destroy the new WBCCI Forums effort.
As an adnlinistrator/moderator ofthe WBeCl forum Charlie Burke edited the post to elilninate the
.b..!!I!:I/wbcciforums.orgL link to the unauthorized and illegal screenshot obtained by Kimber & Tim
and also the letter posted by Kimber Moore to the Board Of Trustees [see notation at bottom afpost].
[exhibit b]
On [or about] 06-19-2009 @ 6: 37 A.M J<imber Moore [11281] wrote and posted the fol.lowing webpage at
!l!!P:llwbcciforums.orgL [date/time this webpage was posted at this URL is approx since exact
infonnation is nearly ilnpossible to determine]:
Tilnothy .Kendziorski Kimber Moore 21640 Sazarac Rd. V C l-lighlands, NV 89521 (775) 842-0629 tim@archnevada.com
Dear International Board of Trustees,
It has c·om.e to our attention that the newly proposed fOrU1TIS, which will be presented at the International
Rally in M.adison, is going to be hosted on a site that is not owned or operated by the WBCCI.
Furthermore, this move is bad corporate branding and mark.eting. It is a poor choice to use a Web
site that is so far outside the umbrella of the WBCCI. when it is not necessary. The new proposed
forums are being hosted as a subdomain of a commercial vendor's Web site - http://forums.vintageairstream.
org. We are offering a different solution.
The W·BCCI should have it's own identity and maintain that at all tilnes. The new forums ideally should be
housed under the WBCC·I.org name. But if that is not possible, it shou.ld be housed under an asset wholly
owned and controlled by the W.BCCl.
Charlie ·Burke, our Electronic Communications Subcomnli.ttee Chair is doing a thorough job spearheading
the effort to inlprove our forulns software and inlplementation. The results are su.re to be far beyond the
services provided by the old fOrUl11s. But, hosting the foru.ms at a third-party vendor site will take the forum
user to a location that is neither controlled by, nor owned by the W·BCCL I'his wi]] imply that the WBCCI
endorses this cOlnmercial vendor. OUf club leadership TI1USt see their way clear on this, a WBCCI forums
lTIUst be located with.i.n a WBCCI owned and operated location.
We propose that the WBCCI/lBT consider our offer.. We have acquired the domain name
W·BCClforums.org and will make it available immediately, free and clear with no strings attached,
for the WBCCI to use for the new forums. Included with this is hosting for the WBCClforums~org
domain as well as wbccLorg if needed. This is web hosting that will be completely controlled by W"BCCl.
To give you some history, this offer has been made previously, when M.r. Burke first contacted us
asking if Tim would like to be a team member of the ECSC in November, 2008. This offer was set
aside because there was "another offer" to consider - that of Vintage-Airstream.com.
WBCCI.forums.org has been obtained and has been set up, and is REA.DY TO GO!
The work donated by Vintage..Airstream.cOlTI can be preserved. and fully credited, for creating and
lnanaginglupdating the fOrU1TIS software, so no work is lost. The new fOrUlTIS software can be moved in a
'matter ofhours without interruption of serv.ice or delays in the launch of the new forums planned for late
June, 2009. The WBCCI should. consider the consequences of hosting the forums at a third-party site.
Beyond the implied WBCCI endorsement ofthe vendor and potential c·onfusion stelnm.ing from the forums
location, there are additional points to consider. What if the· relationship between the vendor and WBeel
sours? What if later on the WBCCI decides to move the fOrulTIS under the ulnbrella of WBCCLorg? Will
the forums and its complete contents be lost with no backup? Will there be legal issues? Can the W·BCC-I
tolerate this loss?
We hope the WBCCI/IB1'\ will seriously consider hosting the forums at a site owned and controlled. by
WBCCI. The fOrU1TIS belong to the club and its Inernbers. The members are ready and wining to Inake a
difference for the club.
Please contact use for all the details of our offer of this gift to the WBeel. We are members who beHeve
that corporate branding and wise Internet practie-es work! The interests ofthe club should be filet here and
now.
Tim Kendziorski WBCCI #17330, Unit 17o-wdcu, VAC M.embership Chair, VAC Webmaster, CAe
Kimber Moore WBeel #11281, Unit II-nor cal, VAC Vintage Advantage Newsletter Editor, CAe
* This webpage/letter c.reated. and posted by 'KiInber Moore provides clear evidence in several places of the
interchangeable and complicit nature ofbehavi.or between I(imber Moore & Tim Kendziorski in their
atte.mpted campaign to destroy the new WBCCI forum project and under.lnine organizational authority
[shared credits at toplbOttOlll of page as well as Kilnber's reference to Tim in bold above for emphasis]. It
also demonstrates the gross negligence ofK.imber Moore~s affiliation with the WBCCI in her unauthorized
theft of and illegal di.gital altering of copyrighted materials and displaying same in a public foruJTI in an
attempt to discredit and smear a WBCCI member. Of particular note are the repeated solicitations here and
elsewhere by Kimber More & 'ri.m Kendziorski for the WBeel to accept a domain nalne
__________________
Bob
'77 Sovereign Intl 31' CB '07 GMC 4x4 2500HD EC 8.1 Allision six | Bedrug | Softopper
WBCCI Time's a-changing Say no to Lawrence Welk attitudes
[wbccifofUlTIs.org] containing the WBCCl corporate trademarked name.that resolves to an illegally
obtained and duplicated im.age that has also been illegally digitally manipulate.d.
°Does the W'BCCI organization wish to entangle itself with individuals who apparently are without
cOJnpunction in cOlnlnitting illegal activities such as copyright infringement, illegal domain squatting and
digital piracy?
*Furthermore, Kimber Moore & l'im Kendziorski's registering ofa dOInain name using WBBC]'s
corporate brand without notifying or seeking approval froln WBCCI first is something the WBCCI. should
be extre·]nely concerned with. This is a federal offense according to the Anticybersquatting Consumer
Protection Act. r alTI intimately failliliar with the issues surrounding corporate· and organizational identity~
as well as copyright, branding, and tradem.ark issues.
[exhibit c]
On 06-22-2009 @ 10:29:04 PM Tim Kendziorski [17330J entered. the following post on the SaveWally.org
ForUlns under his moniker "Simon" aka - Buttercup - Kimber & Tim:
Re: WBCC·I ForuJTIs - Missing The Mark?
«R.eply #36 on: 06-22-2009 at 10:29:04 PM»
Charlie,
Funny - To be ever mindful of our responsibility to Wally Byam Caravan Club International, Inc.?
Does that include buying into forums that will not be in the of the club as region 3 painfully found
out? O.K...
For his membership -I guess he wrote that check faster than I thought. What date was it received at
W'BCCI H:Q? When did he write it to his unit? Why is Greg to scared to answer that himself that he
has to go through to be his mouthpiece. Here are the FACTS - I contacted Jodi M.orris on the 11th of
J'une, as .I do every year, to verify membership of the folks on the VAC's membership list, I am
afterall the membership coordinator of the VAC. Those who are not in the club's published directory
are verified with Jodi at ·HQ. .JfU email the message she returned to me with the names and such of
the people] sent to her if you want to see it... Greg's renewal had not at that time been received, thus
he was NOT in fact a member in good standing. Those are the FACTS, period. PU just go ahead and
contact her again to see when the check was finally received. What I will find is the same - he was not
in good standing and sudden Iy got a check in.
In any event, if anybody is lying it would be Jodi, and I would be happy to pass along that you think
her records are wrong if you would like. Perhaps her records are off. But nonetheless, as of the 11 th
according to HER records, he was not in good standing - period. And until I hear otherwise from her,
he will not be a member of the VAC, but just a subscribe.·.
Look, Charlie, I am. done with you and Greg. It is apparent that there will be zero consideration. ofmy offer
or my concern, WBeel will never even hear of it I am sure. They put 100% trust in your decision and you
have chosen. They care zero of branding and ident.ity, concepts you probably also are unaware of. Fine.
You have your forums. Great. Congratulations.
As far as I can see, you made choices that you are now unable to extricate yourself from and from
which the club will suffer Just as has Region 3 has and still does with the indignant .·edirect that now
just goes to GoDaddy. It could, with a mouseciick, go to the correct site. Talk about the quality of
character - Greg could have fixed that and he is still screwing Region 3 over. You are in essence
supporting that. This doesn't bother you, but it doers me and Region 3. And it negatively impacts the
club. It makes Region 3 look stupid and unsophisticated. Congratulations, that is YOUR \veb guy.
Look, if you really care about the club - get your man to fix that. If not, you and Greg are culpable of
screwing the club and that fine region over.
The choices you have made are already causing the club damage - I cant see where it will improve.
You win.•. But the club loses. Congratulations again.. And if you want to make it an issue of me
posting a screenpict of the forums Greg paid to have made, take me to court. You will learn the
benefits of posting a copyright notice and including statements in the TOS against posting screenpicts
instead of writing 1800 words of further oppression against the membership.
M·y offer for a cocktail at nlY trailer still stands - it is probably the only offer that stands even a small
chance of being accepted.... Look for me #17330 in the VAC area. 1 serve only the finest 5 times
distilled vodka's..
Bob - WBCCI does own the WBCCI.org dOlnain nanle. But they are locked into a situation with 01'C
where that basically can not get out of the hosting of that site without paying an arm and a leg.
« Last Edit: 06-22-2009 at ]0:46:43 PM by SilTIOn »
* I"his post from the SaveWaHy.org forum. provides clear evidence ofthe interchangeable online identity
between .Kimber Moore and 'Thn Kendziorski [ak.a ... Buttercup - Kimber & Tim). Beginning with this
mockery of the WBCCPs Code of:Ethics, this COIDlTIUnication u.nderscores not only a cOlnplete lack of
com.mon courtesy and respect for fellow WBCCI. club melnbers but also a personal abuse ofWBCCI
membership and a general penchant for sowing strife and. disharmony amongst fellow Jnembers of the
WBCCI.. This post also dangerously crosses into the reahn of legalities in relati.on to personal sJander and
Ii.beJ to which there will also be an accounting.
VIOLATI.ONJID.;.
Pursuant to Alticle XV"j Sec. I of the WBCCI Constitution, Bylaws, Article V, Sect.2, Pg. 11 [01/19/07],
itelns A & B "O·isciplinary Procedures" J. hereby file grievance against Kimber Moore [11281] for
violations of the WBCCI Code of Ethics:
[1] To be ever Inindful of our responsibility to Wally Byam Caravan Club I.nternational, Inc., and through
cond.uct, indicate to the public that melnbership in this organization is an assurance· of our courtesy on
the road and good will to all peoples and countries.
[2] To be ever Inindful of what we say or print with respect to its effect on others so as to avoid d.isharmony
and ill feelings am.ong club members and to d.edicate ourselves to the work of celnenting together the
'-____ ]n~Jnb_eL~ of WBCCljn bQDd~_oi_~oQdfeIlowsh.itL~UldJ1H!tuaLllnde[standing.
[3] To conduct ourselves in a nlanner to inspire others e·ngaged in recreational vehicle travel to a full
appreciation. of the intent and tneaning of this code.
[4] To m.aintain our camps in an orderly lnanner and leave them in the same way.
1do ch.arge that based on the aforementioned evidentiary exhibits [a] through [c] that Kimber Moore has
violated in numerous and egregious ways every itenJ in the WBC·CI Code of Ethics with the possible
exception of item 4 [see supporting documentation] . .r respectfully request that WBCCI take stern and
aggressive measures against her to elitninate these kinds of acti.ons in our organization both now and 'into
the future.
And. furthermore,
Pursuant to Article XV, Sec.1 oftheW'BCCI Constitution, Bylaws, Article V, Sec. 5, Pg 14 [07/05/05]:
The suspension or expulsion of any member as provided in this article shall be deemed to include the
spouse ofaDy such member so suspended or expelled.
With prior disc'iplinary act.ions on record as having been expelled from a previous unit, Kimber M.oore and
Tim Kendziorski have since obtained. two [2] separate Inem,bership numbers for two [2] separate trailers
and have affiliatio-o with two [2] separate units in an attempt to game the system with clever maneuvering
and exploit loopholes to avoid. any future jeopardizing of their menlbership status'.
SU·M·MA.RY:
Although lowe the assailants of this project no explanations whatsoever, I would like for the benefit of the
Committees to use this sUlnmary as an opportunity to set the record straight on this project.
T'ogether with Charlie Burke~ our small group has invested 7 nlonths of effort into building a world-class
resource for the WBeel that surpasses any and all competitors. Everything has been professionally handbuilt
and it is hosted professionally on the level of YouTube & e·Bay. No expense has been spared.
Unbeknownst to the membership at large, we have discussed with Airstre·atTI, Inc. their potential
participation on the new Forums. Charlie Burke has been in contact with Mr. Wheeler who in turn has
reacted very favorably. Just this past Saturday, June 20, I was contacted at home by the head of marketing
and branding at Airstream. I have a long..standing and friendly relationship with him. One· of his COluments
to me on Saturday [with a chuckle] was, and I quote, "Greg, your biggest problem is your level of quality
and your eye for detail. ..the site .is wonderfu.l and we want you right where you are."
l personally urge the leadership to verify these things for themselves based on M:Y facts.
KiJl1ber Moore used her husband T'i.rn. Kendzi.orski's unauthorize·d stolen screenshots and illegally digitally
altered thelTI without permission with the express intent to execute a campaign to destroy the new forum.
The Save-Wally.org organization was co.mplicit in these actions. The assault on this project by petty selfcentered
individuals runs the very real risk of ruining the untold bright opportunities that are opening up for
the future of the W'BCCI.
It is my sincere hope & desire that this docum.ent, in its entirety, containing all the facts will be made public
so that it is visi.ble for everyone to see the truth. As they say "I~ight is the best disinfectant.'~
Thank you for your tinle and prompt attention on this matter.
Sincerely,
Gregory A. Gibson
WBCCI # 2026
704-566-1437 p/f
__________________
Bob
'77 Sovereign Intl 31' CB '07 GMC 4x4 2500HD EC 8.1 Allision six | Bedrug | Softopper
WBCCI Time's a-changing Say no to Lawrence Welk attitudes
FORMAL GRIEVANCE
DATE: June 23) 2009
TO: Mr. Jerry Larson, President, WaJIy Byam Caravan Club International
R.E: G-rievance - filed against Tim l<endziofski WBCCI #17330~ lJnit 170-wdcu, VAC M.embership
Chair, VAC Webmaster, CAe
STATEME:NT:
This document will outline and prove conclusively that Ti.m Kendziorski [] 7330] di.d willfully and.
knowingly conduct a campaign of intiInidation and sm.ear against my person, character, and business in a
manner that constitutes gross negligence of his official WBeel duties, dereliction of his elected WHeel
office, reckless misuse and misappropriation ofWBCCI membership records and further vi.ol.ates nearly
every itelTI ofWBCCl code of ethics.
Kendziorski's public behavior further detnonstrates such a level of disregard for the WBeel and its
.m.embership as to at least partially expJain the declining Inelnbership nUlnbers and tl1e current overall state
ofthe club due to exposure ofmembers and potential members to his public comn1unications.
Ref. Sec III WBCCI Constitution.
FACTS:
[granlmatical elTors ofposts left intact]
[emphasis (bold face) has been added by tne·]
I'exhibit a]
On 06-20-2009 @ I:04 AM Tim Kendziorski [17330] entered the foHowing post 011 the W"BCCI Forums
under his lTIoniker '-buttercupH :
buttercup -- 06-20-2009 @ 1:04 AM
Charlie & Greg - .I want to mention that even thqugh these conversations can get a little heated we do like
to have sonle fun with it. Joe is right in that we can get along as Wally surely would have wanted. I am
betting you would not like to lneet up at my trailer for a cocktail or two and perhaps a round of Rock Paper
Scissors to settle the matter once and for all!
llnot, I understtl1ld and will get back to IllY levelo/vitriol..
Greg~ I am assuming that you will be at Intem.ational, right?
Let tue know.....
WBeel #17330
vitriol Noun 1. language expressing bitterness and hatTed 2: abusive or venOIDOUS language used to
express blaIne or censure or bitte·r deep-seated ill will 3. Corrosive, acidic language
* This post clearly exhibits Tim Kendziorski's well-documented, ill-i.ntended "gamesn1anship" in his
regard to his fellow WBCel me.mbers. Kendziorski goes on to state matter-of-factly and in his own words
his public use of"vitriolic" language in his printed public cOlnmunications with other community members.
This is hate speech by its very definition as documented above. The galuesmanship and vitriolic speech are
i.llustrated fully in his subsequent corn.munic.ations that follow.
[exhibit b]
On 06-20-2009 @7:27 AM Tim Kendziorski [17330] entered the following post on the WBCCI Forums
under his moniker "buttercup":
buttercup _.. 06-20-2009 @7:27 AM
H.mmm - I am starting to see why I anl getting private Inessages saying that uGreg Gibson is the worse case
scenireo for hosting the new WBCCI torU1TIStt
• I hope the IBT/EC is watching this thread.
Besides the redirecting "wbcci3.org" going to his cOlTI.m.ercial site,
I wonder if they, and Charlie, would be interested to know that of all things, Mr. Gibson, as of the
t 1th of June was NOT a member in good standing in the WBCCI, or the VAC (I had to move him to
subscriber status). Yes, like I said, unless he somehow sent in his checl( in the last week (I will verify
this Inorlling) our new forums is being hosted by somebody who is not a member ofW·BCC.I.
I gu.ess that now m.eans that my offer to WBCCI actually [S the safest option for the club .
It sure looks like it is not I who bit off too muc~ but the WBCCI when it said "YES" to GOl s hosting.
My offer sti.ll stands.
Greg, question... are you still the webm.aster of Region 3?
WBCCI #17330
l'his message was edited by buttercup on 6-20-09 @7:31 AM
* This is a clear example ofTiln K.endziorski's gross negligence of his WBeel duties, dereliction and
abuse of his W'BCCI elected office and his reckless and alarming nlisappropriation and misuse ofWBCCI
melnbership records and lnember information in a public forum i.n an attempt to discredit and sm.ear a
fellow WBeCI member. It should be noted for the record that :Kendziorski's infonnation is, in fact,
currently incorrect.
[exhibit c]
On 06-20-2009 @3:02 PM Tim Kendziorski [17330] entered the following post on the WBCCI Forums
under his moniker '''buttercup~':
buttercup -- 06-20-2009 @3:02 PM
No charlie - the shame is in having a non-member, commercial vendor looking after his 0'''0 wallet
and increase traffic to his site~ - a stated goal early on when you accepted Greg's offer (linkback indeed)
host an asset that clearly belongs at a 'W.BeCI owned and operated dOlnain name.
You ought to be ashamed that you didn't see this coming in the first place. You only wanted to just
get it done as fast as possible. Haste makes waste.
Just answer this - why not put the [oruins at WBCCl.net as Leo suggested? Problem would have been
solved light then and there. YOU ought to be ashamed. You made a choice that will not benefit the
membership in the end but serve a commercial vendor who is not a member in good standing in the
club.
Greg - still webnlaster of Region 3?
Going to fix that WBCCI3.org link back to your site?
Going to finally write that check for meJnbership in the WBCCI.?
This is not about "me", "In, "our" - that is a distraction to the truth that you clearly are a bad choice
to host a W'BCCI asset. Based on the appearance of what has happened at wbcci3.org, it will be a lost
effort like the many other "contributions" you offered the W'BCCI - an eventuallinkback to a
frontpage offering used Airstreams. And as Leo mentions, based on your responses to our genuine
concerns, we should also be worried about your maturity level as well (probably why that post was
deleted).
Lets do the right thing here folks, there are now lllultiple choices available. Move the forums to
WBCCI.org, WBCCLnet or WBCClforums.org - that way the club owns it - plain and simple. It is in the
clubs best interest.
WBeel #17330
* This comlTIunication underscores not only Tim Kendziorski's cO'mplete lack of comlnon courtesy and
respect for WBeCI FOrUlTI staff meJnbers and fellow WBCCI club menlbers alike, but also quite
dangerously crosses into the legal realm of slander, libel and defalnation against fel Jow WBCCllTI.embers
and therefore draws the WBeel itself into potential1egal issues. Would any curious potential new member
be persuaded to join WBCCI upon viewing this type of dialog?
[exhibit d)
On 06-22-2009 @10:29:04 PM Tim Kendziorski [17330] entered the following post on the SaveWally.org
Forums under his moniker "SiInon" aka - Buttercup - Kimber & T'inl:
Re: WBCCI Forulns - Missing The Mark?
« R.eply #36 on: 06..22-2009 at 10:29:04 PM»
Charlie,
Funny - To be ever mindful of our responsibility to Wally Byam Caravan Club International, Inc.?
Does that include buying into forums that will not be in the of tbe club as region 3 painfully found
out? O.K...
For his membership - I guess he wrote that check faster than I thought. What date was it received at
WBCCI HQ? When did he write it to his unit? Why is Greg to scared to answer that himself that he
has to go through to be his mouthpiece. Here are the FACTS - I contacted Jodi Morris on the 11th of
June, as I do every year, to verify membership of the folks on the VAC's membership list, I am
afterall the membership coordinator of the VAC. Those who are not in the club1s published directory
are verified with Jodi at HQ. I'll email the message she returned to me with the names and such of
the people l sent to her if you want to see it... Greg's renewal had not at that time been received, thus
he was NOT in fact a member ill good standing. Those are the FACTS, period. I'll just go ahead and
contact her again to see when the check was finally received. What I will find is the saine - he was not
in good standing and suddenly got a check in.
In any event, if anybody is lying it would be Jodi, and I would be happy to pass along that you think
her records are wrong if you would like. Perhaps her records are off. But nonetheless, as of the 11th
according to HER records, he was not in good standing - period. And until I hear otherwise from her,
he will not be a member of the VAC, but just a subscriber.
Look, Charlie, I aln done with you. and Greg. It is apparent that there will be zero consideration oftTIy offer
or my concern, WBcel will never even hear of it I am sure. They put 100% trust in your decision and you
have cbosen. They care zero of branding and identity, concepts you probably also are unaware of Fine.
You have your forulns. Great. Congratulations.
As far as .I can see, you made choices that you are now unable to extricate yourself from and from
which the club will suffer Just as has Region 3 has and still does with the indignant redirect that now
just goes to GoDaddy. It could, with a mouseclick, go to the correct site. Talk about the quality of
character - Greg could have fixed that and he is still screwing Region 3 over. You are in essence
supporting that. This doesn't bother you, but it doers me and 'Region 3. And it negatively impacts the
club. It makes Region 3 1001< stupid and unsophisticated. Congratulations, that is YOU'R web guy_
Look, if you really care about the club - get your man to fix that. If not, you and Greg are culpable of
screwing the club and that fine region over.
The choices you have made are already causing the club damage - I cant see where it will ~Inprove.
You win... But the club loses. Congratulations again. And if you want to make it an issue of me
posting a screenpict of the forums Greg paid to have made, take me to court. You will learn the
benefits of posting a copyright notice and including statements in the TOS against posting screenpicts
instead of writing] 800 words of further oppression against the membel4ship.
My offer for a cocktail at Jny trailer still stands - it is probably tbe only offer that stands even a small
chance of being accepted.... Look for me #17330 in the VAC area. l serve only the finest 5 times
distilled vodka's.
Bob - WBeC} does own the WBCCI.org dOlnain naIne. But they are locked. into a. situation with GTe
where that basically can not get out of the hosting of that site without paying an arm and a leg.
«Last Edit: 06-22-2009 at 10:46:43 PM by Simon )}
* Beginning with his .mockery ofthe WBCCI's Code of Ethics, this COlntnunication underscores not only
Tim Kendziorski' s cOlnplete lack of COmlTIOn courtesy and respect for his fellow WBCCI club members but
also personal. abuse of his W:BCCI elected position and his general penchant for sowing strife amongst
fellow m.embers ofthe WBCCI.. This post also once again dangerously crosses into the realm of legalities
in relation to personal slander and libel to which he will also be held accountable.
* In regard to [wbcci3.org]: I resid.e in Region 3. When ljoined WBCCI, R.egion 3 had no web presence
whatsoever. I purchased the URL & hosting and built a website for the region. No one asked ITIe to do so. It
needed. to be done so I did it. Within a span of a few years the region has risen from zero to present with
most units having webpages, officer contacts online w/em.aiJs and online newletters. Unknown to me the
region recently switched to the NET system which I think lnay work better for thein. I think that's great
However~ at the lTIOment I still retain ownership of the [wbcci3.org] U·R.L. As long as this re·mains true I
don't need Kendziorski ~s pernlission for anything and this is an issue h.e should strive to gain crystalline
clarity on. I would be more than happy to donate it to the WBCCror the region if asked but frankly lve
bee.n rather busy the last 7-8 months and. haven~t given thought to the matter.
VIOLATIONllil;.
Pursuant to Article XV of the WBCCI Constitution, Bylaws [01/19/07], Article V, Sect.2,
Pg. 1I, items A & B "Disciplinary Procedures" I hereby file grievance against TiIn :Kendziorski [17330] for
violations of the WBCCI Code of Ethics:
[1] To be ever m.indful of our responsibility to Wally Byaln Caravan Club International, Inc·., and through
conduct, indicate to the public that nlembership in this organization is an assurance of our courtesy on
the road and good will to all peoples and c-ountries.
(2) To be ever mindful of what we say or print with respect to its effect on others so as to avoid disharmony
and ill feelings among club members and to dedicate ourselves to the work of cementing together the
members of WBCCI in bonds of good fellowship and lTIutuaI understanding.
[3] To conduct ourselves in a manner to inspire others engaged in recreational vehicle travel to a full
appreciation of the intent and. Ineaning of this code.
{4] To maintain our camps in an orderly manner and leave theln in the same way.
I do charge that based on the aforementioned evidentiary exhibits [a] through [d] that Tin1 Kendziorski. has
violated in nUlnerous and egregious ways every iteln in the WBCCI Code of Ethics with the possible
exc.eption of iteln 4 [see Suppolting documentation]. I respectfully request that WBCCI take stern and
aggressive measures against him to eliminate these kinds of actions in our organization both now and into
the future.
SUMMARY:
Although lowe the assailants ofthis project no explanations whatsoever, I would like for the benefit of the
Committees to use this summary as an opportunity to set the record straight on this project.
Together with Charlie Burke, our small group has invested 7 n10nths of etlort into building a world-class
resource for the WBCCI that surpasses any and all competitors. Everything has been professionally handbuilt
and it is hosted professionally on the· level of YouTube & eBay. No expense has been spared.
Unbeknownst to the membership at large, we have discussed with. Airstream, Inc. their potential
participation on the n.ew Forums. Charlie Burke has been in contact with Mr. Wheeler who in tum has
reacted very favorably. Just this past Saturday~ June 20, 1was contacted at home by the head of marketing
and branding at Airstream. I have a long-standing and friendly relati.onship with him. One of his comlnents
to me on Saturday [with a chuckle] was, and I. quote~ ,roGreg, your biggest problenl is your level of qualjty
and your eye for detaiL.,the site is wonderful and we want you right where you are."
I personally urge the leadership to verify these things for thelnselves based on MY facts.
Tim Kendziorski requested a confidential advanced. preview of the new forum project prior to its launch
date from Charlie Burke. Kendziorski was granted confidential access in. good. faith and immediately used
this access to take unauthorized screenshots and duplicate pages without permission with the express intent
to execute a calnpaign to destroy the new fonlln. T'he SaveWally.org organizati.on was complicit in. these
actions. The assault on this project by petty self-cente·re.d ind.ividuals runs the very real risk of ruining the
untold bright opportunities that are opening up for the future of the WBCCI. It is my sincere hope & desire that this document, in its entirety, containing all the facts will be made public
so that it is visible for everyone to see the truth. As they say "Light i.s the best disinfectant.~'
Thank you for your time and prompt attention on this matter.
Sincerely,
Gregory A. Gibson
WBCCI # 2026
__________________
Bob
'77 Sovereign Intl 31' CB '07 GMC 4x4 2500HD EC 8.1 Allision six | Bedrug | Softopper
WBCCI Time's a-changing Say no to Lawrence Welk attitudes
FORMAL GRIEVANCE
DATE: June 23, 2009
TO: Mr. Jerry Larson, President, Wally Byam Caravan Club International
R.E: Grievance - filed against Tim Kendziofski WBCCI #17330~ Unit 170 wdcu, VAC Membership Chair, VAC Webmaster, CAe
STATEMENT:
This document will outline and prove conclusively that Tim Kendziorski [17330] did willfully and knowingly conduct a campaign of intimidation and smear against my person, character, and business in a manner that constitutes gross negligence of his official WBCCI duties, dereliction of his elected WBCCI office, reckless misuse and misappropriation of WBCCI membership records and further violates nearly every item of WBCCl code of ethics.
Kendziorski's public behavior further demonstrates such a level of disregard for the WBCCI and its membership as to at least partially explain the declining Membership numbers and the current overall state of the club due to exposure of members and potential members to his public communications.
Ref. Sec III WBCCI Constitution.
FACTS:
[most grammatical errors corrected]
[emphasis (bold face) has been added by tne·]
[exhibit a]
On 06-20-2009 @ 1:04 AM Tim Kendziorski [17330] entered the following post 0n the WBCCI Forums under his moniker 'buttercup" :
buttercup -- 06-20-2009 @ 1:04 AM
Charlie & Greg -I want to mention that even though these conversations can get a little heated we do like to have some fun with it. Joe is right in that we can get along as Wally surely would have wanted. I am betting you would not like to meet up at my trailer for a cocktail or two and perhaps a round of Rock Paper Scissors to settle the matter once and for all!
lf not, I understand and will get back to my level of vitriol..
Greg~ I am assuming that you will be at International, right?
Let tue know.....
WBCCI #17330
vitriol Noun 1. language expressing bitterness and hatred 2: abusive or venomous language used to express blame or censure or bitter deep-seated ill will 3. Corrosive, acidic language
* This post clearly exhibits Tim Kendziorski's well-documented, ill-intended "gamesmanship" in his regard to his fellow WBCCI members. Kendziorski goes on to state matter-of-factly and in his own words his public use of "vitriolic" language in his printed public communications with other community members. This is hate speech by its very definition as documented above. The gamesmanship and vitriolic speech are
illustrated fully in his subsequent communications that follow.
[exhibit b]
On 06-20-2009 @7:27 AM Tim Kendziorski [17330] entered the following post on the WBCCI Forums under his moniker "buttercup":
buttercup - 06-20-2009 @7:27 AM
Hmmm - I am starting to see why I am getting private Messages saying that Greg Gibson is the worse case scenario for hosting the new WBCCI forums. • I hope the IBT/EC is watching this thread.
Besides the redirecting "wbcci3.org" going to his commercial site,
I wonder if they, and Charlie, would be interested to know that of all things, Mr. Gibson, as of the 1th of June was NOT a member in good standing in the WBCCI, or the VAC (I had to move him to subscriber status). Yes, like I said, unless he somehow sent in his check (in the last week (I will verify this morning) our new forums is being hosted by somebody who is not a member of WBCCI. I guess that now means that my offer to WBCCI actually IS the safest option for the club..
It sure looks like it is not I who bit off too much but the WBCCI when it said "YES" to GOl s hosting. My offer still stands.
Greg, question... are you still the webmaster of Region 3?
WBCCI #17330
this message was edited by buttercup on 6-20-09 @7:31 AM
* This is a clear example of Tim Kendziorski's gross negligence of his WBCCI duties, dereliction and abuse of his WBCCI elected office and his reckless and alarming misappropriation and misuse of WBCCI membership records and member information in a public forum in an attempt to discredit and smear a fellow WBCCI member. It should be noted for the record that Kendziorski's information is, in fact, currently incorrect.
[exhibit c]
On 06-20-2009 @3:02 PM Tim Kendziorski [17330] entered the following post on the WBCCI Forums under his moniker ''buttercup":
buttercup -- 06-20-2009 @3:02 PM
No charlie - the shame is in having a non-member, commercial vendor looking after his 0'''0 wallet and increase traffic to his site - a stated goal early on when you accepted Greg's offer (linkback indeed) host an asset that clearly belongs at a 'WBCCI owned and operated domain name.
You ought to be ashamed that you didn't see this coming in the first place. You only wanted to just get it done as fast as possible. Haste makes waste. Just answer this - why not put the forums at WBCCl.net as Leo suggested? Problem would have been solved right then and there. YOU ought to be ashamed. You made a choice that will not benefit the
membership in the end but serve a commercial vendor who is not a member in good standing in the club. Greg - still webmaster of Region 3?
Going to fix that WBCCI3.org link back to your site?
Going to finally write that check for membership in the WBCCI?
This is not about "me", "In, "our" - that is a distraction to the truth that you clearly are a bad choice to host a WBCCI asset. Based on the appearance of what has happened at wbcci3.org, it will be a lost
effort like the many other "contributions" you offered the WBCCI - an eventual linkback to a frontpage offering used Airstreams. And as Leo mentions, based on your responses to our genuine concerns, we should also be worried about your maturity level as well (probably why that post was deleted).
Lets do the right thing here folks, there are now multiple choices available. Move the forums to WBCCI.org, WBCCInet or WBCClforums.org - that way the club owns it - plain and simple. It is in the clubs best interest.
WBCCI #17330
* This communication underscores not only Tim Kendziorski's complete lack of Common courtesy and respect for WBCCI forums staff members and fellow WBCCI club members alike, but also quite dangerously crosses into the legal realm of slander, libel and defamation against fellow WBCCl members and therefore draws the WBCCI itself into potential legal issues. Would any curious potential new member be persuaded to join WBCCI upon viewing this type of dialog?
[exhibit d)
On 06-22-2009 @10:29:04 PM Tim Kendziorski [17330] entered the following post on the SaveWally.org Forums under his moniker "Simon" aka - Buttercup - Kimber & Tim:
Re: WBCCI Forums - Missing The Mark?
« Reply #36 on: 06..22-2009 at 10:29:04 PM»
Charlie,
Funny - To be ever mindful of our responsibility to Wally Byam Caravan Club International, Inc.?
Does that include buying into forums that will not be in the of the club as region 3 painfully found out? O.K...
For his membership - I guess he wrote that check faster than I thought. What date was it received at WBCCI HQ? When did he write it to his unit? Why is Greg to scared to answer that himself that he has to go through to be his mouthpiece. Here are the FACTS - I contacted Jodi Morris on the 11th of June, as I do every year, to verify membership of the folks on the VAC's membership list, I am after all, the membership coordinator of the VAC. Those who are not in the club's published directory are verified with Jodi at HQ. I'll email the message she returned to me with the names and such of the people l sent to her if you want to see it... Greg's renewal had not at that time been received, thus
he was NOT in fact a member in good standing. Those are the FACTS, period. I'll just go ahead and contact her again to see when the check was finally received. What I will find is the same - he was not in good standing and suddenly got a check in.
In any event, if anybody is lying it would be Jodi, and I would be happy to pass along that you think her records are wrong if you would like. Perhaps her records are off. But nonetheless, as of the 11th according to HER records, he was not in good standing - period. And until I hear otherwise from her, he will not be a member of the VAC, but just a subscriber.
Look, Charlie, I am done with you and Greg. It is apparent that there will be zero consideration of The offer or my concern, WBCCI will never even hear of it I am sure. They put 100% trust in your decision and you
have chosen. They care zero of branding and identity, concepts you probably also are unaware of. Fine. You have your forums. Great. Congratulations.
As far as I can see, you made choices that you are now unable to extricate yourself from and from which the club will suffer Just as has Region 3 has and still does with the indignant redirect that now
just goes to GoDaddy. It could, with a mouseclick, go to the correct site. Talk about the quality of character - Greg could have fixed that and he is still screwing Region 3 over. You are in essence supporting that. This doesn't bother you, but it doers me and Region 3. And it negatively impacts the club. It makes Region 3 look stupid and unsophisticated. Congratulations, that is YOUR web guy. Look, if you really care about the club - get your man to fix that. If not, you and Greg are culpable of
screwing the club and that fine region over. The choices you have made are already causing the club damage - I cant see where it will Improve.
You win... But the club loses. Congratulations again. And if you want to make it an issue of me posting a screenpict of the forums Greg paid to have made, take me to court. You will learn the benefits of posting a copyright notice and including statements in the TOS against posting screenpicts instead of writing 1800 words of further oppression against the membership.
My offer for a cocktail at my trailer still stands - it is probably the only offer that stands even a small chance of being accepted.... Look for me #17330 in the VAC area. l serve only the finest 5 times distilled vodka's.
Bob - WBCCI does own the WBCCI.org domain name. But they are locked. into a situation with GTe where that basically can not get out of the hosting of that site without paying an arm and a leg.
«Last Edit: 06-22-2009 at 10:46:43 PM by Simon )
* Beginning with his mockery of the WBCCI's Code of Ethics, this Communication underscores not only Tim Kendziorski' s complete lack of Common courtesy and respect for his fellow WBCCI club members but
also personal abuse of his WBCCI elected position and his general penchant for sowing strife amongst fellow members of the WBCCI. This post also once again dangerously crosses into the realm of legalities in relation to personal slander and libel to which he will also be held accountable.
* In regard to [wbcci3.org]: I reside in Region 3. When l joined WBCCI, Region 3 had no web presence whatsoever. I purchased the URL & hosting and built a website for the region. No one asked me to do so. It needed to be done so I did it. Within a span of a few years the region has risen from zero to present with most units having webpages, officer contacts online w/emails and online newsletters. Unknown to me the region recently switched to the NET system which I think may work better for them. I think that's great However at the moment I still retain ownership of the [wbcci3.org] U·R.L. As long as this remains true I don't need Kendziorski's permission for anything and this is an issue he should strive to gain crystalline clarity on. I would be more than happy to donate it to the WBCCI or the region if asked but frankly l've been rather busy the last 7-8 months and haven't given thought to the matter.
VIOLATION.
Pursuant to Article XV of the WBCCI Constitution, Bylaws [01/19/07], Article V, Sect.2, Pg. 1I, items A & B "Disciplinary Procedures" I hereby file grievance against Tim Kendziorski [17330] for violations of the WBCCI Code of Ethics:
[1] To be ever mindful of our responsibility to Wally Byam Caravan Club International, Inc., and through conduct, indicate to the public that membership in this organization is an assurance of our courtesy on
the road and good will to all peoples and countries.
(2) To be ever mindful of what we say or print with respect to its effect on others so as to avoid disharmony and ill feelings among club members and to dedicate ourselves to the work of cementing together the members of WBCCI in bonds of good fellowship and mutual understanding.
[3] To conduct ourselves in a manner to inspire others engaged in recreational vehicle travel to a full appreciation of the intent and meaning of this code.
{4] To maintain our camps in an orderly manner and leave them in the same way.
I do charge that based on the aforementioned evidentiary exhibits [a] through [d] that Tim Kendziorski has violated in numerous and egregious ways every item in the WBCCI Code of Ethics with the possible exception of item 4 [see Supporting documentation]. I respectfully request that WBCCI take stern and aggressive measures against him to eliminate these kinds of actions in our organization both now and into the future.
SUMMARY:
Although l owe the assailants of this project no explanations whatsoever, I would like for the benefit of the Committees to use this summary as an opportunity to set the record straight on this project.
Together with Charlie Burke, our small group has invested 7 months of effort into building a world-class resource for the WBCCI that surpasses any and all competitors. Everything has been professionally handbuilt
and it is hosted professionally on the level of YouTube & eBay. No expense has been spared. Unbeknownst to the membership at large, we have discussed with. Airstream, Inc. their potential participation on the new Forums. Charlie Burke has been in contact with Mr. Wheeler who in tum has
reacted very favorably. Just this past Saturday~ June 20, I was contacted at home by the head of marketing and branding at Airstream. I have a long-standing and friendly relationship with him. One of his comments
to me on Saturday [with a chuckle] was, and I quote: "Greg, your biggest problem is your level of quality and your eye for detail, the site is wonderful and we want you right where you are."
I personally urge the leadership to verify these things for themselves based on MY facts.
Tim Kendziorski requested a confidential advanced preview of the new forum project prior to its launch date from Charlie Burke. Kendziorski was granted confidential access in good faith and immediately used this access to take unauthorized screenshots and duplicate pages without permission with the express intent
to execute a campaign to destroy the new forum. The SaveWally.org organization was complicit in these actions. The assault on this project by petty self-centered individuals runs the very real risk of ruining the
untold bright opportunities that are opening up for the future of the WBCCI. It is my sincere hope & desire that this document, in its entirety, containing all the facts will be made public
so that it is visible for everyone to see the truth. As they say "Light is the best disinfectant.'
Thank you for your time and prompt attention on this matter.
Sincerely,
Gregory A. Gibson
WBCCI # 2026
[wbcciforums.org] containing the WBCCl corporate trademarked name.that resolves to an illegally obtained and duplicated image that has also been illegally digitally manipulated.
Does the WBCCI organization wish to entangle itself with individuals who apparently are without compunction in committing illegal activities such as copyright infringement, illegal domain squatting and digital piracy?
*Furthermore, Kimber Moore &Tim Kendziorski's registering of a domain name using WBBCI's corporate brand without notifying or seeking approval from WBCCI first is something the WBCCI should be extremely concerned with. This is a federal offense according to the Anticybersquatting Consumer Protection Act. I intimately familiar with the issues surrounding corporate and organizational identity as well as copyright, branding, and trademark issues.
[exhibit c]
On 06-22-2009 @ 10:29:04 PM Tim Kendziorski [17330J entered the following post on the SaveWally.org Forums under his moniker "Simon" aka - Buttercup - Kimber & Tim:
Re: WBCCI Forums - Missing The Mark?
«Reply #36 on: 06-22-2009 at 10:29:04 PM»
Charlie,
Funny - To be ever mindful of our responsibility to Wally Byam Caravan Club International, Inc.?
Does that include buying into forums that will not be in the of the club as region 3 painfully found out? O.K...
For his membership -I guess he wrote that check faster than I thought. What date was it received at WBCCI HQ? When did he write it to his unit? Why is Greg to scared to answer that himself that he has to go through to be his mouthpiece. Here are the FACTS - I contacted Jodi Morris on the 11th of June, as I do every year, to verify membership of the folks on the VAC's membership list, I am after all the membership coordinator of the VAC. Those who are not in the club's published directory are verified with Jodi at HQ. JfU email the message she returned to me with the names and such of the people sent to her if you want to see it... Greg's renewal had not at that time been received, thus he was NOT in fact a member in good standing. Those are the FACTS, period. PU just go ahead and contact her again to see when the check was finally received. What I will find is the same - he was not in good standing and suddenly got a check in.
In any event, if anybody is lying it would be Jodi, and I would be happy to pass along that you think her records are wrong if you would like. Perhaps her records are off. But nonetheless, as of the 11 th according to HER records, he was not in good standing - period. And until I hear otherwise from her, he will not be a member of the VAC, but just a subscriber.
Look, Charlie, I am done with you and Greg. It is apparent that there will be zero consideration of my offer or my concern, WBCCI will never even hear of it I am sure. They put 100% trust in your decision and you
have chosen. They care zero of branding and identity, concepts you probably also are unaware of. Fine. You have your forums. Great. Congratulations. As far as I can see, you made choices that you are now unable to extricate yourself from and from which the club will suffer Just as has Region 3 has and still does with the indignant redirect that now
just goes to GoDaddy. It could, with a mouseclick, go to the correct site. Talk about the quality of character - Greg could have fixed that and he is still screwing Region 3 over. You are in essence supporting that. This doesn't bother you, but it bothers me and Region 3. And it negatively impacts the club. It makes Region 3 look stupid and unsophisticated. Congratulations, that is YOUR web guy.
Look, if you really care about the club - get your man to fix that. If not, you and Greg are culpable of screwing the club and that fine region over.
The choices you have made are already causing the club damage - I cant see where it will improve. You win. But the club loses. Congratulations again. And if you want to make it an issue of me posting a screenpict of the forums Greg paid to have made, take me to court. You will learn the
benefits of posting a copyright notice and including statements in the TOS against posting screenpicts instead of writing 1800 words of further oppression against the membership.
My offer for a cocktail at my trailer still stands - it is probably the only offer that stands even a small chance of being accepted.... Look for me #17330 in the VAC area. I serve only the finest 5 times distilled vodka's..
Bob - WBCCI does own the WBCCI.org domain name, But they are locked into a situation with 01'C where that basically can not get out of the hosting of that site without paying an arm and a leg.
« Last Edit: 06-22-2009 at ]0:46:43 PM by SilTIOn »
* This post from the SaveWally.org forum provides clear evidence of the interchangeable online identity between Kimber Moore and Tim Kendziorski [aka ... Buttercup - Kimber & Tim). Beginning with this mockery of the WBCCIs Code of Ethics, this communication underscores not only a complete lack of common courtesy and respect for fellow WBCCI club members but also a personal abuse of WBCCI membership and a general penchant for sowing strife and disharmony amongst fellow members of the
WBCCI. This post also dangerously crosses into the realm of legalities in relation to personal slander and libel to which there will also be an accounting.
VIOLATION;
Pursuant to Article XV"j Sec. I of the WBCCI Constitution, Bylaws, Article V, Sect.2, Pg. 11 [01/19/07],
items A & B "Disciplinary Procedures" J. hereby file grievance against Kimber Moore [11281] for violations of the WBCCI Code of Ethics:
[1] To be ever Mindful of our responsibility to Wally Byam Caravan Club International, Inc., and through conduct, indicate to the public that membership in this organization is an assurance of our courtesy on
the road and good will to all peoples and countries.
[2] To be ever Mindful of what we say or print with respect to its effect on others so as to avoid disharmony and ill feelings among club members and to dedicate ourselves to the work of cementing together the '-____ ]n~Jnb_eL~ of WBCCl bQDd~_oi_~oQd fellowship ~mutual understanding.
[3] To conduct ourselves in a manner to inspire others engaged in recreational vehicle travel to a full appreciation of the intent and meaning of this code.
[4] To maintain our camps in an orderly manner and leave them in the same way.
I do charge that based on the aforementioned evidentiary exhibits [a] through [c] that Kimber Moore has violated in numerous and egregious ways every item in the WBCCI Code of Ethics with the possible
exception of item 4 [see supporting documentation] I respectfully request that WBCCI take stern and aggressive measures against her to eliminate these kinds of actions in our organization both now and into the future.
And furthermore, Pursuant to Article XV, Sec.1 of the WBCCI Constitution, Bylaws, Article V, Sec. 5, Pg 14 [07/05/05]:
The suspension or expulsion of any member as provided in this article shall be deemed to include the spouse of any such member so suspended or expelled.
With prior disciplinary actions on record as having been expelled from a previous unit, Kimber Moore and Tim Kendziorski have since obtained two [2] separate membership numbers for two [2] separate trailers
and have affiliation with two [2] separate units in an attempt to game the system with clever maneuvering and exploit loopholes to avoid any future jeopardizing of their membership status.
SUMMARY:
Although l owe the assailants of this project no explanations whatsoever, I would like for the benefit of the Committees to use this summary as an opportunity to set the record straight on this project.
Together with Charlie Burke~ our small group has invested 7 months of effort into building a world-class resource for the WBCCI that surpasses any and all competitors. Everything has been professionally handbuilt
and it is hosted professionally on the level of YouTube & e·Bay. No expense has been spared.
Unbeknownst to the membership at large, we have discussed with Airstream, Inc. their potential participation on the new Forums. Charlie Burke has been in contact with Mr. Wheeler who in turn has reacted very favorably. Just this past Saturday, June 20, I was contacted at home by the head of marketing
and branding at Airstream. I have a long-standing and friendly relationship with him. One of his Comments to me on Saturday [with a chuckle] was, and I quote, "Greg, your biggest problem is your level of quality
and your eye for detail. ...the site is wonderful and we want you right where you are."
l personally urge the leadership to verify these things for themselves based on MY facts.
Kimber Moore used her husband Tim Kendziorski's unauthorized stolen screenshots and illegally digitally altered them without permission with the express intent to execute a campaign to destroy the new forum.
The Save-Wally.org organization was complicit in these actions. The assault on this project by petty self centered individuals runs the very real risk of ruining the untold bright opportunities that are opening up for
the future of the WBCCI.
It is my sincere hope & desire that this document, in its entirety, containing all the facts will be made public so that it is visible for everyone to see the truth. As they say "light is the best disinfectant.'
Thank you for your time and prompt attention on this matter.
Sincerely,
Gregory A. Gibson
WBCCI # 2026
704-566-1437 p/f
Some of the stuff I couldn't figure out, and left as hash...
I am attempting to distill this down. So this grievance comes down to three people publicly said the new WBCCI is crap and the guy responsible was unhappy about that. Is that right?
Well I too think the new forum is crap. There I said it publicly. My member number is #7183 please feel free to file one against me too.
I am attempting to distill this down. So this grievance comes down to three people publicly said the new WBCCI is crap and the guy responsible was unhappy about that. Is that right?
Well I too think the new forum is crap. There I said it publicly. My member number is #7183 please feel free to file one against me too.
It is worse than crap. It's a thinly vailed effort to rip off the WBCCI using it's "reputation" or what's left of it, to sell his stuff.
How can so many stupid people get into positions to make important decisions. I think the leadership has a secret agenda of finishing off the club and dividing up the money.
DATE: June 23,2009
TO: Mr. Jerry Larson, President, Wally Byam Caravan Club Intelllational
RE: Grievance - filed against Kimber Moore WBCCI #11281, Unit II-nor cal).-VAC Vintage Advantage
Newsletter Editor, CAe
STATEMENT:
This document will outline and prove conclusively that Kimber Moore [11281] did willfully and knowingly participate and assist in conducting a campaign of intimidation and smear against my person, character, and
business in a manner that constitutes gross negligence of her official WBCCI duties, dereliction of her WBCCI position, and further violates nearly every item of the WBCCI code of ethics to which she is bound.
as a member.
This record will also conclusively demonstrate that Kimber Moore [11281] is complicit in word and deed with her spouse Tim Iendziorski [17330] and that the two work in concert and often interchangeably with shared forum names ~ shared accounts and shared credits on various webpages.
To wit SaveWally.org and wbcciforums.org [examples provided below].
Moore's public behavior further demonstrates such a level of disregard for the WBCCl and its membership as to at least partially explain. the declining membership numbers and the current overall state of the club due to exposure of members and potential members to his public communications.
Ref. Sec III. WBeel. Constitution.
FACTS:
[grammatical errors of posts corrected-(more-or-less)]
[emphasis (bold face) has been added. by me]
I exhibit a:
On 06-19-2009 @ 6:37 AMo Tim I(endziorski [17330] entered the following post on the WBCCI Forums under his moniker "buttercup".
Contained within this post were links to an unauthorized screenshot of the new WBCCl Forums taken by Kendziorski after obtaining confidential advanced access fi'OITI Charlie Burke prior to public launch.
Kendziorski's "spouse Kimber Moore [11281] then took the stolen unauthorized screenshot and in an illegal manner digitally altered it to contain the following wording:
'"WBCCl.org should be title /tome of the new WBCCI Forums.•• But it isn't. Instead, the powers that be decided to host it away join the WBCCI's controlled web space and over to a commercial used Airstream dealer's site. To resolve the situation, this site - WBCClforums.org has been offered to WBCCI- domain.
J1Gfne and hosting space, cmpletely free, no endorsements or requirements for reimbursements of any kind Click here to find out more. "
The illegally altered and unauthorized screenshot can be seen at: http://wbcciforums.org
The illegal and unauthorized screenshot functions as a simple click through webpage that takes the viewer to a letter written by Kimber Moore [11281] that is addressed to the International Board of Trustees (see
[exhibit b). Copies are provided as attachments [support documentation].
buttercup 06-19-2009 @ 6:37 AM
In the latest of things that WBCCI probably should NOT do to help itself: the newly created forums, which will be presented at the International Rally in Madison, is going to be hosted on a site that is not owned or
operated by the WBCCI. In fact - it will be on a site belonging to a commercial vendor that has zero responsibility or ties to WBCCI. Well, he is a member of WBCCl - at least that much.
Looking at these new forums it is apparent that a lot or work has gone into upgrading things. But it also appears that not much thought was given to the multitude of issues that can and inevitably will arise from NOT hosting those forums on a site that is owned, managed and controlled by the WBCCI. You can't see the forums just yet, but you can see a preview at WBCCI Forums.
Consider things like Identity, backup issues, loss of data or the forums itself. What if the vendor goes out of business? What if???? I think these questions were not thought of. But if they were, they were
discarded as unimportant. Charlie Burke, who is heading up the new forums project states that this all occurred with the Executive Committee's acceptance. But I do not think they knew the whole story.
Having been one who for a short time at least, was on the committee to institute these new forums I have nothing but disappointment for the direction that these forums have taken with respect to the hosting and
taking the cheapest route possible. Hosting them as a sub domain on a commercial vendor's site offers nothing towards the identity of WBCCI. It is just a sub domain... It further lowers the WBCCI.'s standing in the RV community.
I still believe that there is time to correct this situation. I think that given the choice, the WBCCI could alter course before it's too late and get a domain name and server space and put a forums where- they should be -
under the direct and complete control of the WBCCI.
And for that I am willing to try right here and now to help them -I am offering FREE of endorsements, sponsor links, fees dues or recompense OF ANY KIND to host the new forums under a site that is owned by WBCCI. And if it can't be on WBCCl.org, no problem - I have purchased the
domain name WBCCIforums.Org and I win GIVE that to the WBCCI. free of charge, endorsements, sponsor links, fees dues or recompense OF ANY KIND so that the new forums can be hosted on a site that is owned and controlled by WBCCI This offer is such that if WBCCI wanted, they could also transfer WBCCI.Org to the same server space and start maintaining that for, freeing them from. OTS and saving the club $3000 per year. These items I am giving to WBCCI if they will take it. FREE The domain name is all set up and the server space is sitting and waiting.
I am just a WBCCI member who is concerned that the WBCCI leadership should really consider the implications of hosting such a valuable asset off site and out from it's direct control when it doesn't have to. These new forums SHOULD be under the WBCCI umbrella, not parked away on some sub domain on a site not in any way related to the organization.
I believe wbcci.org is the best place to host the forums, but if it can't be done - WBCClforums.Org is a far better choice than a name which is misleading at best, will confuse many members (hey, is this a vintage site I am going to?) and eventually will have to be moved to WBCCI's site sooner or later. Why take a chance at losing all of that data? Let's make the right move NOW, Either park those forums at WBCCI.org or move them to a web site that the WBCCI can own right now tor zero cost.
Let's fix this now! Want more information; see the full story at SaveWally.org
WBCCI #17330
Information included in this post were shared in confidence. To include them was wholly inappropriate.
This message was edited by cbburke on 6...19-09 @ 10:17 AM.
* This post with a link to a stolen unauthorized screenshot of the new WBCCI Forum that has been illegally digitally altered and parked at a URL owned by Kimber Moore & Tim Kendziorski delnonstrates Kimber Moore's complicit behavior with her spouse 'rim Kendziorski in 1110unting a campaign of intimidation against the new WBCCI. Forums development group, WBCCI membership and WBCCI Board Of Trustees in order to marginalize and destroy the new WBCCI Forums effort.
As an administrator/moderator of the WBCCl forum Charlie Burke edited the post to eliminate the wbcciforums.org link to the unauthorized and illegal screenshot obtained by Kimber & Tim and also the letter posted by Kimber Moore to the Board Of Trustees [see notation at bottom of post].
[exhibit b]
On [or about] 06-19-2009 @ 6: 37 A.M J<imber Moore [11281] wrote and posted the following webpage at wbcciforums.org [date/time this webpage was posted at this URL is approx since exact information is nearly impossible to determine]:
Timothy Kendziorski Kimber Moore 21640 Sazarac Rd. V C l-Highlands, NV 89521 (775) 842-0629 tim@archnevada.com
Dear International Board of Trustees,
It has come to our attention that the newly proposed forum, which will be presented at the International Rally in Madison, is going to be hosted on a site that is not owned or operated by the WBCCI.
Furthermore, this move is bad corporate branding and marketing. It is a poor choice to use a Web site that is so far outside the umbrella of the WBCCI, when it is not necessary. The new proposed forums are being hosted as a subdomain of a commercial vendor's Web site - http://forums.vintageairstream.org. We are offering a different solution.
The WBCCI should have it's own identity and maintain that at all times. The new forums ideally should be housed under the WBCCI.org name. But if that is not possible, it should be housed under an asset wholly owned and controlled by the WBCCI.
Charlie Burke, our Electronic Communications Subcommittee Chair is doing a thorough job spearheading the effort to improve our forums software and implementation. The results are sure to be far beyond the services provided by the old forums. But, hosting the forums at a third-party vendor site will take the forum user to a location that is neither controlled by, nor owned by the WBCCI this will imply that the WBCCI endorses this commercial vendor. Our club leadership MUST see their way clear on this, a WBCCI forums must be located within a WBCCI owned and operated location.
We propose that the WBCCI/lBT consider our offer. We have acquired the domain name WBCClforums.org and will make it available immediately, free and clear with no strings attached, for the WBCCI to use for the new forums. Included with this is hosting for the WBCClforums.org domain as well as wbcci.org if needed. This is web hosting that will be completely controlled by WBCCI.
To give you some history, this offer has been made previously, when M.r. Burke first contacted us asking if Tim would like to be a team member of the ECSC in November, 2008. This offer was set
aside because there was "another offer" to consider - that of Vintage-Airstream.com. WBCCI.forums.org has been obtained and has been set up, and is READY TO GO!
The work donated by Vintage..Airstream.com can be preserved. and fully credited, for creating and obligingly updating the forums software, so no work is lost. The new forums software can be moved in a matter of hours without interruption of service or delays in the launch of the new forums planned for late June, 2009. The WBCCI should consider the consequences of hosting the forums at a third-party site.
Beyond the implied WBCCI endorsement of the vendor and potential confusion stemming from the forums location, there are additional points to consider. What if the relationship between the vendor and WBCCI sours? What if later on the WBCCI decides to move the forums under the umbrella of WBCCI.org? Will the forums and its complete contents be lost with no backup? Will there be legal issues? Can the WBCCI tolerate this loss?
We hope the WBCCI/IBT will seriously consider hosting the forums at a site owned and controlled by WBCCI. The forums belong to the club and its members. The members are ready and wining to make a difference for the club.
Please contact use for all the details of our offer of this gift to the WBCCI. We are members who believe that corporate branding and wise Internet practices work! The interests of the club should be filled here and now.
Tim Kendziorski WBCCI #17330, Unit 17o-wdcu, VAC Membership Chair, VAC Webmaster, CAe Kimber Moore WBCCI #11281, Unit II-nor cal, VAC Vintage Advantage Newsletter Editor, CAe
* This webpage/letter created and posted by Kimber Moore provides clear evidence in several places of the interchangeable and complicit nature of behavior between Kimber Moore & Tim Kendziorski in their attempted campaign to destroy the new WBCCI forum project and undermine organizational authority [shared credits at bottom of page as well as Kimber's reference to Tim in bold above for emphasis]. It also demonstrates the gross negligence of Kimber Moore's affiliation with the WBCCI in her unauthorized theft of and illegal digital altering of copyrighted materials and displaying same in a public forum in an attempt to discredit and smear a WBCCI member. Of particular note are the repeated solicitations here and
elsewhere by Kimber Moore & Tim Kendziorski for the WBCCI to accept a domain name
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