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Old 02-05-2010, 09:32 AM   #617
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Dwight,

I know it's a small sample size, but many beg to differ...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f286...ing-59530.html

I know the word Caravan is in the name and maybe that's the fundamental problem... that's why a club directed at with Camping with your Airstream product is being formed.

Stay tuned... this will give Airstreamers an alternative to a club that isn't connected with their needs any longer, an alternative is coming!
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I know the word Caravan is in the name and maybe that's the fundamental problem..
I would vote to keep any individuals name out as well.
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Old 02-05-2010, 09:59 AM   #619
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I would vote to keep any individuals name out as well.
Well there goes the Rob Baker Camping Club International (RBCCI) .... shoot......
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"The club's name does not include the word "camping" and therefore the club should not be seen as a camping club. The leadership is running it as it was intended, as a caravaning club for older retired people and those with enough time on their hands and enough money that they can afford and take the opportunity to caravan. If you want a "camping club", you most likely need to need to find a local "camping club" and pay your dues to support it."

Dwight:

Thank you for honestly acknowledging what the WBCCI and you unit are. After being in the WBCCI for five years as a non-retired (working member) I have come to the same conclusion. It is a club for retired Airstreamers. I am reducing my activities with the WBCCI and may not renew my membership after this year since I am not close to retirement. I have become a life-time member of Escapees, will participate more in Airfourm rallies and will join a new Airstream Camping Club when formed. I agree, why waste my money on the WBCCI when I can spend it on a local camping club. That kind of club I would be glad to spend $100 per year on.

Once working WBCCI members acknowledge the WBCCI for what it is and accept it for what it is, Airstreaming becomes simpler. You no longer need to bang your head against the wall in futility. Leo you will learn this once you are thrown out. I purchased my Airstream without even knowing that the WBCCI existed. Airstreaming will always be around in my lifetime; the WBCCI may not.

Again, Dwight - thanks for having the guts to honestly state the situation.
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Old 02-05-2010, 11:02 AM   #621
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"The club's name does not include the word "camping" and therefore the club should not be seen as a camping club. The leadership is running it as it was intended, as a caravaning club for older retired people and those with enough time on their hands and enough money that they can afford and take the opportunity to caravan. If you want a "camping club", you most likely need to need to find a local "camping club" and pay your dues to support it."

Dwight:

Thank you for honestly acknowledging what the WBCCI and you unit are. After being in the WBCCI for five years as a non-retired (working member) I have come to the same conclusion. It is a club for retired Airstreamers. I am reducing my activities with the WBCCI and may not renew my membership after this year since I am not close to retirement. I have become a life-time member of Escapees, will participate more in Airfourm rallies and will join a new Airstream Camping Club when formed. I agree, why waste my money on the WBCCI when I can spend it on a local camping club. That kind of club I would be glad to spend $100 per year on.

Once working WBCCI members acknowledge the WBCCI for what it is and accept it for what it is, Airstreaming becomes simpler. You no longer need to bang your head against the wall in futility. Leo you will learn this once you are thrown out. I purchased my Airstream without even knowing that the WBCCI existed. Airstreaming will always be around in my lifetime; the WBCCI may not.

Again, Dwight - thanks for having the guts to honestly state the situation.
Bluebird, I like this!!!! Exactly!! Leo, you will sometime in the near future - GET IT!
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Old 02-05-2010, 11:59 AM   #622
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I would like to respond to Dwight also. All you said is correct. The problem is that the club is not advertised as a retirees club.

As Rob said, a new club is being formed. It will be a club for retirees. It will be club for empty nesters, It will be a club for families. It will be a club for anyone that wants to participate. Heck it will be a club that even Leo will enjoy to be a part of. Many said pulling this off was impossible and some of us took that as a direct challenge to make it happen.
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Old 02-05-2010, 01:06 PM   #623
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The International supported activities are not intended for young people with kids.

the Youth program was well run and attended by 70 grandkids.
Hmmm... When I signed up (and paid my money) to bring 4 of my 5 kids I was not told that the intention was for me not to come.

Also when we signed up for the activities I was not told it was only for "grandkids"

I hope we did not break any rules.... I don't need the hassle of being subjected to the grievance process.
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When I paid dues it was at a local/regional rally and I showed up sans trailer with 2 kids and a wife in tow. (The purpose of my visit was to see a forum friend from out of state) At that rally I got cornered for an enrollment and caved in. IN that year I did not attend anything because my life style is not in line with the local rallies nor is it condusive to caravanning. So I have not renewed. In addition my trailer is in a less than condition of most at that rally.

The ave. age of the peeps at the local level is not quite a generation older however it is close. So I did not see the value in staying with the club. It was not stated specifically what happened at the local level, however they were very excited for me to join.

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sadly u guys are EMBARRASSING youse'selfs....

this thread started with some1 apparently QUITTING the club...

and the FIRST reply captured the thoughts of many of us (at least initially)

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That letter is hard to read. Your pain is apparent...
many of us have quit the wb' and many have BRIEFLY commented on that change in a post or 2 ...

and MANY of those that quit for GOOD reasons were lambasted, harassed, ridiculed and otherwise POKED at...

by the same people quitting and whining ON and ON, in THIS thread.

this thread is a nice example of that process (others quitting) and involving the same subset of whiners here now...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f286...ion-57443.html

here's just a snip of the "supportive" replies the rest of us got when deciding to quit...

"i'll pay your dues for ya"

"too bad you don't understand the real club purposes"

and these...

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...Here's to our fun unit and all the fun we have!!! like we will next summer as well... lots of great rallies lined up...

Yeah, I was down pretty hard on the club this summer... but spending time with my unit members has put everything into perspective once more.... Go Wally...
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I "know" what I get for my dues, but that's because I participate...'''

I promise you it will be FUN! If you are one with a negative opinion, that opinion will change if you put forth the effort and come and see for yourself.
there are dozens of attacking posts like these on OTHER threads, many now closed like the one above,

directed toward folks who decided to quit OR who wanted a unit with MORE cyber presence...

((remember those sarcastic notes rob, and pms about joining the virtual worlds))

and the notes about how WHEN u were the PREZ, you'd CHANGE/fix it all...?

then NOVA was conceived and it's just the ticket for those that wanted that approach, a virtual NATIONAL unit.

anyway...

eventually (and quickly) most of us just moved on after quitting, continuing to camp and enjoy streaming...

and EVEN if those folks who quit were volunteers or leaders of some sort, the club heals internally and moves on...

the wb' world doesn't stop because ANY 1 or 2 or 3 inflated egos quit...

it is what it is, figure that out and IF you fit.

and IF you don't fit, move on and find a better place

and IF that better place is to CONTINUE attacking them, well that's a special sort of personal hell.

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this thread has become a personalized "let's trash the wb' and promote ourSELVES as cooler, better, more informed and the ones too...

bring a new club along for others...

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...an alternative is coming!
having seen the true nature of the players exposed HERE,

i have NO INTEREST in anything this little click would offer as a new club...

petty, vindictive revenge motivated seeds for a NEW club are far from attractive.

(even if hidden in the 'come to our really cool kids friendly rally' solicitations)

and that's really ALL that is happening by the stir'rs of this pot...

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I know the WBCCI will miss you a lot.
perhaps initially and briefly, but even at the unit level PEOPLE move on...

the choice was VOLUNTARY, no one died and so on.

the truth is mostly, they WON'T miss this bunch and especially based on the behaviors AFTER quitting.

imagine attending an event and spending campfire time on this?

(the promises to "show up" at public parks where local wb' events happen to camp with the group are CHILDISH.

they don't miss ANY of us who have quit, and as dwightdi continues to remind...

the club's purpose is specific and NOT what others imagine JUST because they imagine it.

it's 1 thing to quit, but it's an entirely different thing to bash and whine and self promote...

besides the real reasons for quitting were all EGO based (over estimating self importance to the larger club, and getting wacked on the wb' forum)

the FINANCIAL crisis facing the wb' is real and made WORSE last year after a/s corp decided to NOT continue giving the club cash yearly (50k+$)...

which has lead to the LARGE shortfall that's now seen in the int' budget figures...

IF they solve that the club can and will continue to be WHAT it is....

so be it.

wanna have rallies in yer back yard, COOL!
wanna start a new camping click, COOL!
wanna spend a lot of time chest slapping and back patting, COOL! (not really)

but why not just quit already and...

get OVER it.
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Well there goes the Rob Baker Camping Club International (RBCCI)...
that name IS taken already, see post #111 here...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f289...gon-23910.html

so getta hat and a boogie/doobie/phatty and join the PUFFIN' and SMOKIN' but NO back slappin' club, mon!

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When I paid dues it was at a local/regional rally and I showed up sans trailer with 2 kids and a wife in tow. (The purpose of my visit was to see a forum friend from out of state) At that rally I got cornered for an enrollment and caved in. IN that year I did not attend anything because my life style is not in line with the local rallies nor is it condusive to caravanning. So I have not renewed. In addition my trailer is in a less than condition of most at that rally.

The ave. age of the peeps at the local level is not quite a generation older however it is close. So I did not see the value in staying with the club. It was not stated specifically what happened at the local level, however they were very excited for me to join.

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I hope this was not the 4CU that your where in.Because that does not sound like us.
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Old 02-05-2010, 03:50 PM   #628
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No one club can fit everyone's needs. There are people who like the WBCCI, people who will like a new club that I suspect may look more like the WBCCI than some are comfortable with, people who like the newly formed clubs listed on the Clubs and Groups Directory, people who like the rallies promoted on the Forum, and people who just go out on their own.

I think it would be more productive to announce a new club or group and what it's purpose is than continue this thread in the way it has been going.

So let a thousand flowers bloom in this increasingly diverse world and join or not join what appeals to you.

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this thread started with some1 apparently QUITTING the club...

and the FIRST reply captured the thoughts of many of us (at least initially)



many of us have quit the wb' and many have BRIEFLY commented on that change in a post or 2 ...

and MANY of those that quit for GOOD reasons were lambasted, harassed, ridiculed and otherwise POKED at...

by the same people quitting and whining ON and ON, in THIS thread.

this thread is a nice example of that process (others quitting) and involving the same subset of whiners here now...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f286...ion-57443.html

here's just a snip of the "supportive" replies the rest of us got when deciding to quit...

"i'll pay your dues for ya"

"too bad you don't understand the real club purposes"

and these...





there are dozens of attacking posts like these on OTHER threads, many now closed like the one above,

directed toward folks who decided to quit OR who wanted a unit with MORE cyber presence...

((remember those sarcastic notes rob, and pms about joining the virtual worlds))

and the notes about how WHEN u were the PREZ, you'd CHANGE/fix it all...?

then NOVA was conceived and it's just the ticket for those that wanted that approach, a virtual NATIONAL unit.

anyway...

eventually (and quickly) most of us just moved on after quitting, continuing to camp and enjoy streaming...

and EVEN if those folks who quit were volunteers or leaders of some sort, the club heals internally and moves on...

the wb' world doesn't stop because ANY 1 or 2 or 3 inflated egos quit...

it is what it is, figure that out and IF you fit.

and IF you don't fit, move on and find a better place

and IF that better place is to CONTINUE attacking them, well that's a special sort of personal hell.

__________

this thread has become a personalized "let's trash the wb' and promote ourSELVES as cooler, better, more informed and the ones too...

bring a new club along for others...



having seen the true nature of the players exposed HERE,

i have NO INTEREST in anything this little click would offer as a new club...

petty, vindictive revenge motivated seeds for a NEW club are far from attractive.

(even if hidden in the 'come to our really cool kids friendly rally' solicitations)

and that's really ALL that is happening by the stir'rs of this pot...



perhaps initially and briefly, but even at the unit level PEOPLE move on...

the choice was VOLUNTARY, no one died and so on.

the truth is mostly, they WON'T miss this bunch and especially based on the behaviors AFTER quitting.

imagine attending an event and spending campfire time on this?

(the promises to "show up" at public parks where local wb' events happen to camp with the group are CHILDISH.

they don't miss ANY of us who have quit, and as dwightdi continues to remind...

the club's purpose is specific and NOT what others imagine JUST because they imagine it.

it's 1 thing to quit, but it's an entirely different thing to bash and whine and self promote...

besides the real reasons for quitting were all EGO based (over estimating self importance to the larger club, and getting wacked on the wb' forum)

the FINANCIAL crisis facing the wb' is real and made WORSE last year after a/s corp decided to NOT continue giving the club cash yearly (50k+$)...

which has lead to the LARGE shortfall that's now seen in the int' budget figures...

IF they solve that the club can and will continue to be WHAT it is....

so be it.

wanna have rallies in yer back yard, COOL!
wanna start a new camping click, COOL!
wanna spend a lot of time chest slapping and back patting, COOL! (not really)

but why not just quit already and...

get OVER it.
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and finally regarding the rbcci...



that name IS taken already, see post #111 here...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f289...gon-23910.html

so getta hat and a boogie/doobie/phatty and join the PUFFIN' and SMOKIN' but NO back slappin' club, mon!

cheers
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The only thing of value in this long-winded rant, is that this individual has no desire to come to a specific rally in New York. There is no doubt in my mind that this news is a tremendous relief to those who will be in attendance. It seems the feeling is mutual, which means it's a win-win for all.
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Jimmimi,

I was not a 4CU gathering. However my avatar is from a 4CU in NM circa 2002. I am not big on paying WBCCI to get to somthing like the VAC or 4CU or what ever.

So I have the plastic numbers in my hand and an expired membership card.

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