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Old 01-25-2010, 06:28 PM   #603
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Why can't the International Club become an intraclub of WBCCI like the VAC and the CAC?
I think I know where your going with this but truthfully the WBCCI is the parent corp and the only thing that can be done easily is to secede or split from the parent corp. which as Don posted (somewhere earlier in this same thread) is a clean and simple way to do it. As an intra club you fall into that "underneath" the parent corp category and can't withhold your dues.

LOL I just proposed to my Unit that they consider this. I'm probably going to be ousted next.
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Old 01-25-2010, 07:09 PM   #604
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... It is for motorhomes, however, but if you have a trailer, ...
"A" trailer???? are you kidding??

The man has enough trailers to start his own club, without any other members!!!

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Old 01-25-2010, 10:29 PM   #605
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Hmm, a few years ago I()had the idea to apply for membership with my Cruiser serial # and she(Robin)could maintain membership with her Caravel #, thus the ability to register two votes... in two different units if the need were to present itself. A bit pricey, but... That guy with more rigs in his yard than you or I could count; think of what he could do!

I know that 500(+)or(-) posts back, I said I was going to post a well thought out, extensitivley researched, serious-as-hell bit to this thread but... sorry. As the old cliche goes(I hate worn out pop culture cliches, btw,) "been there, done that."

So, from the Bigger-Fish-To-Fry-Department,
"Whatever." Can't wait to camp with our W.B.C.C.I. friends:
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Old 01-26-2010, 07:48 PM   #606
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Bunch of the WCBBI-types showed up here in Ajo today; painfully self-absorbed. They are VERY aware of this forum.
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I think I know where your going with this but truthfully the WBCCI is the parent corp and the only thing that can be done easily is to secede or split from the parent corp. which as Don posted (somewhere earlier in this same thread) is a clean and simple way to do it. As an intra club you fall into that "underneath" the parent corp category and can't withhold your dues.

LOL I just proposed to my Unit that they consider this. I'm probably going to be ousted next.
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Bunch of the WCBBI-types showed up here in Ajo today; painfully self-absorbed. They are VERY aware of this forum.
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Are they from the mid winter and headed for the Hobo Rally in Blythe?

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Are they from the mid winter and headed for the Hobo Rally in Blythe?

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I did not talk with the cranky ones much, but a couple of hours later, at the RV Park we stay at in Ajo, AZ, a whole slew of 'Streams from N. Cal came in from Palm Springs. Must have been fifteen of them, nice folks, WBCCI, had a beer with them. I don't know where they're off to, if it's the Hobo or Cottenwood. I'll find out, they are here for a couple of days.
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Old 01-27-2010, 08:56 PM   #610
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ALL the leaders of the WBCCI should be working for FREE.If they can not afford to work for FREE then do not take the job as a.
Some of us old folks CAN NOT afford the $10 per year dues increase to give to the old folks on the IBT so they can have all the perks that none of the members get. None of dues $$$ came back to the units it all goes to them to waste.
The folks on the IBT are not .That they have showen and they sure are about how to run the club. But that is what come with old age.
For many members this year it will be "GOOD-BYE WBCCI". Sorry the IBT would not save you they just let you die from lack of members.
EDITING:Just noticed that this thread and post did not go to the portal page.See if it goes now.NO DID NOT GO GUESS "THEY" DO NOT LIKE IT.
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Old 02-04-2010, 06:54 PM   #611
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No mention here of this months edition of the whipping post - i mean blue beret. that letter (WBCCI Means Family p. 10) from the cancer survivor was unbelievable! Mr. Stephens practically attributes the wbcci local unit for saving his life! i guess the $55 dues last year was worth it to him and his wife.

and then the published dissensions in the letter to the editor section - what is going on??? AND the top brass replies. something strange is going on here.
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and then the published dissensions in the letter to the editor section - what is going on??? AND the top brass replies. something strange is going on here.
My take on the publishing of the letters of dissention is that one they either use it as a vehicle to make their reply seem plausible or 2 they pick a letter that is bound to send up flags such as the overuse of the word "stupid" in the second. I would like to have them answer two letters that a membership advocate chooses rather than a member of the leadership selects. I would like the letters that are selected to have tougher questions and better represented positions or persuation that might successfully sway membership and leadership alike. They were not chosen at random. They knew exactly what they were doing in putting those out there to demonstrate how they are seriously addressing the membership's concerns and to better reflect upon themselves in comparison. I didn't personally find it satisfying or the representation engaging or inspiring deeper thought and communication.

And the other story that you mentioned I was thinking much the same as you stated. The guilting of members into believing their membership value is priceless and membership dues is fully supported by family and friends analogies is an emotional ploy and not a hard fiscal proposal at solving the financial woes and retaining and recruiting members by solid benefits and reasonable costs. Of course I am glad the member experienced a favorable outcome and found the support of friends. It is the conclusion and usage that may cause some others also to raise some skepticism.
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No mention here of this months edition of the whipping post - i mean blue beret. that letter (WBCCI Means Family p. 10) from the cancer survivor was unbelievable! Mr. Stephens practically attributes the wbcci local unit for saving his life! i guess the $55 dues last year was worth it to him and his wife.

and then the published dissensions in the letter to the editor section - what is going on??? AND the top brass replies. something strange is going on here.
Letters to the Editor - "The Unit is Key".... yeah, of course... but nothing of the $55 goes to the unit... that's not why people leave.. it's the hypocrisy of the IBT - why I know 2 left!!! Good one, try again.

Letters to the Editor - "This is YOUR club" right Dave.. 93% of "Your Club" members in Leo's survey said "NO" to the dues raise.. but they raised it to support "THEIR" club... don't try to make it sound like a "Positive Change" Dave - it wasn't, period!

Gayland's story - yeah, I read that a while ago here on the forums.. I'm a huge "Fight Cancer" follower, huge "Livestrong" supporter and was wishing Gayland all the help he could get.. yes - I think it's great that his friends supported him. Yes, perhaps the money to his Unit was worth it.. still not the $55 to the IBT... again, but thanks to the BB for printing that story and we're all glad of Gayland's survival.

One thing about the online version - it's not a waste of paper... and the advertisements and articles are much, much clearer to read..

And then on membership..

Remember that the surveys show that
33.8% of our members are still working
families and 5.6% of these families have
children. Our membership needs this
revitalization of the younger members.

No wonder they are dying off.. No young families with kids.... per their survey.... and young families asked for a different International policy for a per night to come and afford a few nights there.. totally told to "Cowboy up" by the International President... not a way to win over the "Younger" members...

Wait until you see the WBBB we have like 50 kids coming - and a ton of YOUNG families.. I see tons of potential here.. .too bad the WBCCI doesn't.

I'm just glad that I get the BB for free..... it killed me know how much was going to pay for it.

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Actually $8.16 of your International dues come back to the local in the form of a liability insurance policy that the International buys for $36,500 per year. This liability insurance policy protects the local leaders from suites that might be brought against them for alleged wrongful actions. Without this policy no sane person would run for office to run the local and many potential camping locations would not allow you to run a rally there unless you show them that your club has this policy in effect. That said, you are paying $21 per member to support the travels of your International and Region officers. You are also paying $34 for the full time office help and their benefits.
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No wonder they are dying off.. No young families with kids.... per their survey...............Wait until you see the WBBB we have like 50 kids coming - and a ton of YOUNG families.. I see tons of potential here.. .too bad the WBCCI doesn't.
This my friends is the key to the whole enchilada. No kids.........no future.

Simple enough............I guess "they" just don't get it.
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The original premise of the club (and therefore the name) is "caravan". It is very difficult to take a kid out of school to caravan for any extended period of time. The club's name does not include the word "camping" and therefore the club should not be seen as a camping club. The leadership is running it as it was intended, as a caravaning club for older retired people and those with enough time on their hands and enough money that they can afford and take the opportunity to caravan. If you want a "camping club", you most likely need to need to find a local "camping club" and pay your dues to support it. Yes, the club has now embraced "International and Special Event Rallies" but those are also structured to benefit the people who have the longer periods of time to attend them. The leadership of the club needs to make clear in their advertising what the club is all about and what the target market is. The International supported activities are not intended for young people with kids. Deluding the potential member into thinking the International supports kid friendly functions is false advertising and leads to poor retention and early termination, which we have..

I did take my grandson to the Madison Rally this year and the Youth program (an individual long term effort of Mrs. Amy) was well run and attended by 70 grandkids. My grandson enjoyed the experience.

Some individual local units may also have good youth oriented programs, but the money you pay to the International in dues goes principally to support the old folks and their travels.

The leadership needs to reallocate the overhead cost of the club evenly to those who benefit from those activities. The Caravaning and Special Event Ralling portion of the membership is less that one forth of its current members. (The sum of the International attendees plus the number of people taking national caravans minus the number that do both.) The club needs to reorganized and trim expenses, to spread those cost to the 1,800 members who use the Internationally provided benefits. The question then is "Can the club continue to exist if we only have 1,800 members?" Certainly, the cost of having 45 of them travelling around the country selling tickets becomes cost prohibitive.
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